Where are all the liberals calling the union rallies racist?

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    Feb 21, 2011 8:14 PM GMT
    There are hardly any people of color in these rallies! I guess that makes unions racist! icon_smile.gif

    After all, that's the criteria that has been used to accuse the tea party of racism!
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    Feb 21, 2011 8:23 PM GMT
    Actually, nationwide public union workers are disproportionately people of color, so an argument could be made that attacks on public sector unions is a de facto attack on POC middle class families.

    From a great article, "Who Are All These Evil Public Workers? Black People" in Color Lines:

    Color LinesSteven Pitts at UC Berkeley’s Center for Labor Research and Education is amid a study of black employment in the public sector. He shared some preliminary data with Colorlines that suggests these jobs are in fact significantly relevant to black America. Pitts’ data is thus far national, meaning it includes the public sector in largely white states (in the Plains and New England, for instance). But even with that tempering effect, some numbers leap out:

    * 14.5 percent of all public sector workers in the nation are black, making the sector second only to health and education services as the most heavily black workforce. In all other sectors, black workers hover around or below 10 percent. Again, if you took out states with disproportionate white populations or even focused on states with budget crises, I bet you’d see an even greater disparity.

    * More than one in five black workers are employed in public administration, as are 23.3 percent of black women in the workforce. That compares to just under 17 percent of all white workers.

    * Black women in the public sector make significantly less than everyone else. Their median wage is $15.50 an hour; the sector’s median wage overall is $18.38. White men make $21.24.

    Notably, none of these wages is off the charts relative to the private sector. As even the loudest critics of public employee unions have acknowledged, public workers are not uniquely well paid, even when you include benefits.


    http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/02/who_are_all_these_evil_public_workers_black_people.html
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    Feb 21, 2011 8:35 PM GMT

    Given that Wisconsin's population is 89.4% white what's your point?
    You're using some really lame ass tactics to cloud the issue.
    What was the ethnic make up of the counter rally? Let's see...an estimated 2000 people showed up for that. If I were to use your logic I would have expected to see a Tea Party that was 11.6% non-white. Don't think so.
    Nice Try.
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    Feb 21, 2011 8:45 PM GMT
    mke_bt said
    Given that Wisconsin's population is 89.4% white what's your point?
    You're using some really lame ass tactics to cloud the issue.
    What was the ethnic make up of the counter rally? Let's see...an estimated 2000 people showed up for that. If I were to use your logic I would have expected to see a Tea Party that was 11.6% non-white. Don't think so.
    Nice Try.


    The union rally didn't even appear to be 11.6% non-white, so what's your point?

    One of the main speakers in Madison on behalf of the tea party was black. So, put your tail between your legs and scat.
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    Feb 21, 2011 8:54 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    mke_bt said
    Given that Wisconsin's population is 89.4% white what's your point?
    You're using some really lame ass tactics to cloud the issue.
    What was the ethnic make up of the counter rally? Let's see...an estimated 2000 people showed up for that. If I were to use your logic I would have expected to see a Tea Party that was 11.6% non-white. Don't think so.
    Nice Try.


    The union rally didn't even appear to be 11.6% non-white, so what's your point?

    One of the main speakers in Madison on behalf of the tea party was black. So, put your tail between your legs and scat.


    I don't think you're even aware of your own comic genius.
    I can top you.
    The sister's friend of the third cousin of the second speaker at the pro-union rally once sat next to a negro on the subway.
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    Feb 21, 2011 9:07 PM GMT
    This thread is a particularly lame and laughable attempt at spinning out a pile of right-wing BS.

    The rallies in WI have nothing to do with race.
    This is just another example of the Repubs playing the race card.
    Since they can't win on the facts and the issues, they resort to BS tricks to try to change the subject.

    The Tea Party rallies were about race because people showed up:
    carrying signs depicting President Obama as an African witch doctor with a bone through his nose,
    carrying signs reffering to President Obama as "Sambo",
    and carrying signs refferring to President Obama as the "N" word.
    When that happens - even once - at a rally against this Repub power grab in WI - then maybe the race issue will have something to do with this "People Power" uprising in WI.

    Until then, this injecting of the race card into the uprising in WI will remain TOTALLY BOGUS AND LAUGHABLE.
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    Feb 21, 2011 9:10 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidThere are hardly any people of color in these rallies! I guess that makes unions racist! icon_smile.gif


    no, that makes the union's location to be in wisconsin!

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    Feb 21, 2011 9:13 PM GMT
    rickrick91 saidThis thread is a particularly lame and laughable attempt at spinning out a pile of right-wing BS.

    The rallies in WI have nothing to do with race.
    This is just another example of the Repubs playing the race card.
    Since they can't win on the facts and the issues, they resort to BS tricks to try to change the subject.

    The Tea Party rallies were about race because people showed up:
    carrying signs depicting President Obama as an African witch doctor with a bone through his nose,
    carrying signs reffering to President Obama as "Sambo",
    and carrying signs refferring to President Obama as the "N" word.
    When that happens - even once - at a rally against this Repub power grab in WI - then maybe the race issue will have something to do with this "People Power" uprising in WI.

    Until then, this injecting of the race card into the uprising in WI will remain TOTALLY BOGUS AND LAUGHABLE.


    Why so serious?
    I think the OP has a wonderful sense of satire (he just doesn't know it).
    Surely, no one would post something like that in all seriousness and open themselves up for ridicule.
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    Feb 21, 2011 9:20 PM GMT
    mke_bt said
    rickrick91 saidThis thread is a particularly lame and laughable attempt at spinning out a pile of right-wing BS.

    The rallies in WI have nothing to do with race.
    This is just another example of the Repubs playing the race card.
    Since they can't win on the facts and the issues, they resort to BS tricks to try to change the subject.

    The Tea Party rallies were about race because people showed up:
    carrying signs depicting President Obama as an African witch doctor with a bone through his nose,
    carrying signs reffering to President Obama as "Sambo",
    and carrying signs refferring to President Obama as the "N" word.
    When that happens - even once - at a rally against this Repub power grab in WI - then maybe the race issue will have something to do with this "People Power" uprising in WI.

    Until then, this injecting of the race card into the uprising in WI will remain TOTALLY BOGUS AND LAUGHABLE.


    Why so serious?
    I think the OP has a wonderful sense of satire (he just doesn't know it).
    Surely, no one would post something like that in all seriousness and open themselves up for ridicule.




    lol
    It is easy to mock, Twinkie.
    But, the absurdity of this thread would be funnier if it were coming from Stephen Colbert.
    The difference is that Twinkie really believes this BS.
    As I'm sure you know
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    Feb 21, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    mocktwinkie saidThere are hardly any people of color in these rallies! I guess that makes unions racist! icon_smile.gif

    After all, that's the criteria that has been used to accuse the tea party of racism!


    That is a very good point!


    Just like SB to support Mock's EPIC FAIL.

    Of course, none of that changes the de facto racism of the right's attack on public workers.
  • rnch

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    Feb 21, 2011 10:03 PM GMT
    niether mock or sb seems to be blessed with an overly huge sense of humor.

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    Feb 21, 2011 10:15 PM GMT
    rnch saidniether mock or sb seems to be blessed with an overly huge sense of humor.

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    Or a sense of common sense, BTW,

    I lived in the US upper Midwest for 11 years, spent time in Wisconsin. It was funny, you could go into a shopping mall, and virtually all the females you saw were blond. They're mostly of Scandinavian and German descent, yah know? Minorities, as we currently define them, hardly exist there.

    So I wouldn't expect to see a lot of racial minorities on TV reports from there. Maybe the protestors should import some racial "types" for the cameras, to content mocktwinkie & SB. Until then, mock & SB should understand the demographics of their own country before making ignorant comments. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Feb 21, 2011 10:26 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidOf course, none of that changes the de facto racism of the right's attack on public workers.


    That's quite a stretch... but why Christian were there only a very few "people of color" protesting in Madison Wisconsin in support of the unions?


    It's not a stretch at all. Public sector workers are disproportionately people of color. What's happening in WI is part of a coordinated effort supported by the Koch brothers and their Tea Party sycophants, and the Republican pols they supported to destroy the unions that have provided people of color with middle class jobs and benefits. Since this is a national strategy playing out in multiple states, the fact that Wisconsin had a nearly 90% Caucasian population is irrelevant.
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    Feb 21, 2011 10:43 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 saidOf course, none of that changes the de facto racism of the right's attack on public workers.


    That's quite a stretch... but why Christian were there only a very few "people of color" protesting in Madison Wisconsin in support of the unions?


    Maybe because so many of the "people of color" are also the working poor.
    For many people of color struggling to make ends meet in Milwaukee a trip to Madison would be an unheard of luxury. It's so easy for us to lose sight of that as most of us have a reasonable amount of income at our disposal.
    So, who's being racist? The unions? I think it's the people who are out of touch with the working poor of Wisconsin, many of whom are Black and live in Milwaukee 90 miles from Madison.
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    Feb 21, 2011 11:46 PM GMT
    mke_bt said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 saidOf course, none of that changes the de facto racism of the right's attack on public workers.


    That's quite a stretch... but why Christian were there only a very few "people of color" protesting in Madison Wisconsin in support of the unions?


    Maybe because so many of the "people of color" are also the working poor.
    For many people of color struggling to make ends meet in Milwaukee a trip to Madison would be an unheard of luxury. It's so easy for us to lose sight of that as most of us have a reasonable amount of income at our disposal.
    So, who's being racist? The unions? I think it's the people who are out of touch with the working poor of Wisconsin, many of whom are Black and live in Milwaukee 90 miles from Madison.


    Great point. icon_smile.gif
  • rnch

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    Feb 21, 2011 11:50 PM GMT
    IMO, at least 2 posters *cough mt sb cough** on this thread appear to be "book smart and real world stupid".

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    Feb 22, 2011 2:02 AM GMT
    How was that Straw Man for you all?
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    Feb 22, 2011 2:06 AM GMT
    rnch saidniether mock or sb seems to be blessed with an overly huge sense of humor.

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    Nor the ability to fathom something NOT reported on FOX or by sarah and her hubby.
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    Feb 22, 2011 2:06 AM GMT
    TigerTim saidHow was that Straw Man for you all?



    50% WTF
    50% Fucking hilarious
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    Feb 22, 2011 7:23 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidThere are hardly any people of color in these rallies! I guess that makes unions racist! icon_smile.gif

    After all, that's the criteria that has been used to accuse the tea party of racism!



    Why you so angry with life?
    You project all this negativity?

    You have some chip on your shoulder.
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    Feb 22, 2011 7:27 PM GMT
    mke_bt said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 saidOf course, none of that changes the de facto racism of the right's attack on public workers.


    That's quite a stretch... but why Christian were there only a very few "people of color" protesting in Madison Wisconsin in support of the unions?


    Maybe because so many of the "people of color" are also the working poor.
    For many people of color struggling to make ends meet in Milwaukee a trip to Madison would be an unheard of luxury. It's so easy for us to lose sight of that as most of us have a reasonable amount of income at our disposal.
    So, who's being racist? The unions? I think it's the people who are out of touch with the working poor of Wisconsin, many of whom are Black and live in Milwaukee 90 miles from Madison.


    And maybe a lot of blacks had to work and couldn't afford the luxury to fly out and rally with the tea party?

    Do you believe the tea party is racist?
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    Feb 22, 2011 7:28 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidThere are hardly any people of color in these rallies! I guess that makes unions racist! icon_smile.gif

    After all, that's the criteria that has been used to accuse the tea party of racism!



    Why you so angry with life?
    You project all this negativity?

    You have some chip on your shoulder.


    Nah, I just love holding people accountable for their flagrant hypocrisies.
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    Feb 22, 2011 8:57 PM GMT
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    Nah, I just love holding people accountable for their flagrant hypocrisies.


    It's a pity you don't do it with an iota of intellectual rigor.
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    mocktwinkie said
    Nah, I just love holding people accountable for their flagrant hypocrisies.


    It's a pity you don't do it with an iota of intellectual rigor.


    And by that I assume you mean some sort of baroque obfuscation?
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    Feb 22, 2011 9:12 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    TigerTim said
    mocktwinkie said
    Nah, I just love holding people accountable for their flagrant hypocrisies.


    It's a pity you don't do it with an iota of intellectual rigor.


    And by that I assume you mean some sort of baroque obfuscation?


    I read that several times, and it still makes no sense. By rigor, I mean:

    (i) An awareness of the selection of axioms and their (lack of?) uniqueness.
    (ii) Use of logic for deduction.
    (iii) An (axiomatized) epistemology.
    (iv) Use of multiple sources of evidence within (iii) and with due consideration for limitations and systematic bias in their acquisition.
    (v) Presentation of uncertainty.