Fox Airs Backward Graphic To Falsely Claim "61 Percent" Of Americans "In Favor Of Taking [Bargaining Rights] Away"

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    Feb 23, 2011 2:44 PM GMT
    Kilmeade: According To USA Today/Gallup Poll, "61 Percent In Favor Of Taking [Bargaining Rights] Away.

    " On the February 23 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, co-host Brian Kilmeade brought on a panel of guests to discuss the ongoing protests in Wisconsin, sparked by Gov. Scott Walker's proposal to cut benefits and eliminate most collective bargaining rights for some public employees. While talking to Democratic strategist Robert Zimmerman, Kilmeade discussed the results of a recent USA Today/Gallup poll to falsely claim that "61 percent" of those polled are "in favor of taking [collective bargaining rights] away." From the broadcast:

    KILMEADE: Wow. But is President Obama out of step with history? Joining us now to debate it, knock it around just a little bit, Democratic strategist Robert Zimmerman and Jim Glassman, Director of the Bush Center and author of the book Safety Net. First things first, Robert, do you think the president is taking a big risk here?

    ZIMMERMAN: Not at all. I think he's showing respect for history and respect for our history of supporting the rights and safety of workers, but more than that, he's speaking for the mainstream of our country and the main stream of Republican governors that are not siding with Governor Walker in his efforts to overturn right to work -- collective bargaining.

    KILMEADE: I think Gallup, a relatively mainstream poll, has a differing view. And here is the question that was posed, should you take away--will you favor or are you in disfavor of taking away collective bargaining when it comes to salaries for government workers? 61% In favor of taking it away. 33% oppose. 6% up in the air. [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 2/23/11]

    A graphic claiming that "61 percent" responded "favor" to the question "Collective bargaining -- take it away: favor or oppose?" was aired on-screen during the segment:



    In Fact, USA Today/Gallup Poll Results Showed "61% Would Oppose A Law Similar To [The] Proposal In Wisconsin"
    USA Today/Gallup: "61% Would Oppose A Law In Their State Similar To [The] Proposal In Wisconsin." In a poll conducted on February 21, USA Today and Gallup found that 61 percent of those polled would oppose a law similar to the one Gov. Walker is proposing in Wisconsin. From the article accompanying the poll results (emphasis added):

    Americans strongly oppose laws taking away the collective bargaining power of public employee unions, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll. The poll found 61% would oppose a law in their state similar to such a proposal in Wisconsin, compared with 33% who would favor such a law.Republican Gov. Scott Walker and Republican legislators in Wisconsin have proposed cutting union rights for most state government workers and making them pay more for benefits. Ohio, New Jersey, Indiana, Iowa and other states with Republican governors are considering similar laws. [USA Today, 2/22/11]



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    Feb 23, 2011 3:08 PM GMT
    A few minutes later he apologized and said he reported it backwards. Did you or your site pick that up?
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    Feb 23, 2011 3:15 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidA few minutes later he apologized and said he reported it backwards. Did you or your site pick that up?



    backwards....on purpose icon_question.gif

    for the purpose of making sensationalistic, false headlines?

    yet another time that fox's "Fair and Balanced coverage" has been..... in error.
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    Feb 23, 2011 3:16 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidA few minutes later he apologized and said he reported it backwards. Did you or your site pick that up?



    backwards....on purpose icon_question.gif

    for the purpose of making sensationalistic, false headlines?

    yet another time that fox's "Fair and Balanced coverage" has been..... in error.

    BS - he apologized a few minutes later. Get a life
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    Feb 23, 2011 3:17 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidA few minutes later he apologized and said he reported it backwards. Did you or your site pick that up?


    reported it backwards? The graphic had the numbers reversed too. That isn't just saying it backwards. That is creating an inaccurate graphic, then reading it out - mis-stating someting deliberately then like a cheap suited lawyer saying "withdrawn," as though that makes it alright.

    When an error fits so neatly with the narrative you are consistently trying to spin, that makes a claim of inadvertency suspect.

    When you have cultivated a reputation for deception and misrepresentation, you should try harder to be accurate if you want credibility.

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    Feb 23, 2011 3:19 PM GMT
    joe.my.god. has the actual screen grabs if you want. you can see the graphic they put up.
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    Feb 23, 2011 3:19 PM GMT
    Upper_Canadian said
    socalfitness saidA few minutes later he apologized and said he reported it backwards. Did you or your site pick that up?


    reported it backwards? The graphic had the numbers reversed too. That isn't just saying it backwards. That is creating an inaccurate graphic, then reading it out - mis-stating someting deliberately then like a cheap suited lawyer saying "withdrawn," as though that makes it alright.

    When an error fits so neatly with the narrative you are consistently trying to spni, that makes a claim of inadvertency suspect.

    When you have cultivated a reputation for deception and misrepresentation, you should try harder to be accurate if you want credibility.




    fox news: "fair and balanced coverage"



    yeh.rite.



    BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


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    Feb 23, 2011 3:25 PM GMT
    It's been noted on RJ how FOX consistently misreports facts, shows false graphs, wrong statistics, misidentified video clips, etc. And at an amazingly frequent rate. And then later apologizes for the "error" or "production mistake."

    But oddly, other news organizations don't have this problem, and FOX errors consistently favor the Right, at the expense of the Left. You'd think with all these mistakes going on, at least some of them would show the Right in a bad light, too. Now if these are honest mistakes, what are the chances of them being pro-Right, 100% of the time as far as I can tell?

    There's a thing called "first impressions" that I suspect FOX is betting on. So you put out the lie first, knowing the retraction will not be heard by as many, nor remembered as well, once the original thought has been implanted.

    An alternative explanation is that FOX is so right-wing biased that it's editorial & production judgment is compromised, resulting in a naturally high error rate that favors the Right. Not a deliberate conspiracy per se, but making it impossible to believe the self-lie of FOX being "fair & balanced."
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    Feb 23, 2011 3:28 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidA few minutes later he apologized and said he reported it backwards. Did you or your site pick that up?



    He reported backwards?

    They are given the information to talk about.

    Let alone the graphics were wrong too.

    So, you saying the reporter made the graphics too?


    Did a reporter make INCORRECTLY on the map say EGYPT was IRAQ?

    FACE IT...that why it's called: FAUX NEWS.
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    Feb 23, 2011 3:30 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidIt's been noted on RJ how FOX consistently misreports facts, shows false graphs, wrong statistics, misidentified video clips, etc. And at an amazingly frequent rate. And then later apologizes for the "error" or "production mistake."

    But oddly, other news organizations don't have this problem, and FOX errors consistently favor the Right, at the expense of the Left. You'd think with all these mistakes going on, at least some of them would show the Right in a bad light, too. Now if these are honest mistakes, what are the chances of them being pro-Right, 100% of the time as far as I can tell?

    There's a thing called "first impressions" that I suspect FOX is betting on. So you put out the lie first, knowing the retraction will not be heard by as many, nor remembered as well, once the original thought has been implanted.

    An alternative explanation is that FOX is so right-wing biased that it's editorial & production judgment is poor, resulting in a naturally high error rate that favors the Right. Not a deliberate conspiracy per se, but making it impossible to believe the self-lie of FOX being "fair & balanced."





    There's a thing called "first impressions" that I suspect FOX is betting on. So you put out the lie first, knowing the retraction will not be heard by as many, nor remembered as well, once the original thought has been implanted. ITALIC TEXT GOES HEREUNDERLINE TEXT GOES HERE

    BINGO! you win the prize
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    Feb 23, 2011 3:51 PM GMT
    Here is the graphic FOX aired:



    FoxUnionPoll.jpg
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    Feb 23, 2011 3:55 PM GMT
    And here is the Gallup graphic:

    usatoday-20110222-wipollresults.jpg



    Yeah... he just "reported it wrong"
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    Feb 23, 2011 4:00 PM GMT
    Kilmeade issued a correction during the final minute of Fox & Friends - 44 minutes after the error - saying: "I want to correct a poll that we did about 22 minutes ago from Gallup. Sixty-one percent oppose taking collective bargaining away from those people in Wisconsin; 33 percent in favor. I had it reversed. I apologize." In fact, the poll asked if people would oppose a similar law in their own states. A graphic was aired correctly showing that 61 percent of those polled oppose taking collective bargaining away:

    I just watched the video - he showed a corrected graphic.
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    Feb 23, 2011 4:04 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidIt's been noted on RJ how FOX consistently misreports facts, shows false graphs, wrong statistics, misidentified video clips, etc. And at an amazingly frequent rate. And then later apologizes for the "error" or "production mistake."

    But oddly, other news organizations don't have this problem, and FOX errors consistently favor the Right, at the expense of the Left. You'd think with all these mistakes going on, at least some of them would show the Right in a bad light, too. Now if these are honest mistakes, what are the chances of them being pro-Right, 100% of the time as far as I can tell?

    There's a thing called "first impressions" that I suspect FOX is betting on. So you put out the lie first, knowing the retraction will not be heard by as many, nor remembered as well, once the original thought has been implanted.

    An alternative explanation is that FOX is so right-wing biased that it's editorial & production judgment is compromised, resulting in a naturally high error rate that favors the Right. Not a deliberate conspiracy per se, but making it impossible to believe the self-lie of FOX being "fair & balanced."


    this technique worked (all too) well in the 1930's, in Germany, by josef goebbels, the "propaganda minister" of the third reich.


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    Feb 23, 2011 4:06 PM GMT
    An easy mistake to make actually. I don't think there was nefarious intent to mislead. Someone fucked up making the graphic and it wasn't noticed until it aired. Who hasn't made honest mistakes preparing powerpoint slides?
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    Feb 23, 2011 4:07 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidA few minutes later he apologized and said he reported it backwards. Did you or your site pick that up?




    So socalfitness,......it was 44 minutes later ,,,not a few minutes....


    Socalfitness, WHERE did you get your information that is was " a few minutes later" ?



    Please let us know where you got "a few minutes later.





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    Feb 23, 2011 4:09 PM GMT
    Upper_Canadian saidAn easy mistake to make actually. I don't think there was nefarious intent to mislead. Someone fucked up making the graphic and it wasn't noticed until it aired. Who hasn't made honest mistakes preparing powerpoint slides?




    an honest mistake would be a few percentages.....but to TOTALLY have the percentages the other way around is not an honest mistake.



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    Feb 23, 2011 4:22 PM GMT
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    Upper_Canadian saidAn easy mistake to make actually. I don't think there was nefarious intent to mislead. Someone fucked up making the graphic and it wasn't noticed until it aired. Who hasn't made honest mistakes preparing powerpoint slides?




    an honest mistake would be a few percentages.....but to TOTALLY have the percentages the other way around is not an honest mistake.




    Sure it can be - you plug the wrong figure into the wrong cell of your Excel spreadsheet insert and you've screwed it up without even noticing. I've prepared thousands of data slides and when you are putting them together reading lines off charts then plugging it into cells, it is EASY to get it in the wrong cell. The fact that the number was not changed just misplaced reinforces that interpretation that it WAS inadvertent.

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    Feb 23, 2011 4:34 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidIt's been noted on RJ how FOX consistently misreports facts, shows false graphs, wrong statistics, misidentified video clips, etc. And at an amazingly frequent rate. And then later apologizes for the "error" or "production mistake."

    But oddly, other news organizations don't have this problem, and FOX errors consistently favor the Right, at the expense of the Left....

    Do you have data to support your assertion that Fox makes more errors than other news organizations, or is this more hot air?
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    Feb 23, 2011 4:38 PM GMT
    LeanathleticDC said
    socalfitness saidA few minutes later he apologized and said he reported it backwards. Did you or your site pick that up?




    So socalfitness,......it was 44 minutes later ,,,not a few minutes....


    Socalfitness, WHERE did you get your information that is was " a few minutes later" ?



    Please let us know where you got "a few minutes later.







    "a few minutes later" is like being "a little bit pregnant" icon_question.gif


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    Feb 23, 2011 4:41 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Art_Deco saidIt's been noted on RJ how FOX consistently misreports facts, shows false graphs, wrong statistics, misidentified video clips, etc. And at an amazingly frequent rate. And then later apologizes for the "error" or "production mistake."

    But oddly, other news organizations don't have this problem, and FOX errors consistently favor the Right, at the expense of the Left....

    Do you have data to support your assertion that Fox makes more errors than other news organizations, or is this more hot air?


    I seem to recall a recent article showing FOX news viewers as the "Most Misinformed" based on assessment of current affairs knowledge.
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    Feb 23, 2011 4:42 PM GMT
    Upper_Canadian saidAn easy mistake to make actually. I don't think there was nefarious intent to mislead. Someone fucked up making the graphic and it wasn't noticed until it aired. Who hasn't made honest mistakes preparing powerpoint slides?


    Applause to you for thiniking logically on this one. This one was just too outright blatant to think it was done entirely on purpose, Fox News or not...
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    Feb 23, 2011 4:43 PM GMT
    Upper_Canadian saidAn easy mistake to make actually. I don't think there was nefarious intent to mislead. Someone fucked up making the graphic and it wasn't noticed until it aired. Who hasn't made honest mistakes preparing powerpoint slides?

    A compliment to one of the few finally reasonable voices on the left. The comments about a "coincidence" of multiple, identical mistakes is far-fetched. The comment questioning the error because the same numbers were used is also pretty ridiculous. What likely happened is the numbers were interchanged when making the graphic from the poll results, and the graphic was used when the erroneous report was made.
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    Feb 23, 2011 4:45 PM GMT
    I don't know if this is possible, but I seriously think it's time for someone to sue Fox News and get it off the air. If they are giving out completely false information and people make harmful decisions and adjustments in their lives because of it.
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    Feb 23, 2011 4:48 PM GMT
    You know, I want to add to this. I heard the 61% "opposed to the unions" from another source that probably quoted FOX's incorrect story. I was completely misinformed.