Issues with my cutting diet

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    Feb 24, 2011 11:11 PM GMT
    So I started cutting for the summer and I am having the biggest issue portioning my meals out throughout the day. Most people recommend taking your daily requirement of protein and portioning it evenly throughout the day (to minimize muscle loss). My meals have all had widely varying amounts of protein.

    For example, this morning I had a PB&J (all natural and whole wheat of course) and some oatmeal, which was mostly carbs and not much protein. Then I worked out and had my protein shake, which is 50g protein. Then I had some pasta shortly after to get more carbs in my body (not too much protein in that). Now I am about to eat some chicken that will have a total of 65g of protein.

    Anyways, obviously I am not evenly eating like 40g of protein each meal throughout my 6 or more meals a day, but I am hitting my protein requirement by the end of the day.

    Is it that serious to eat your protein evenly throughout the day? Will it affect my muscle loss if I am eating the way I am?

    Thanks in advance fellas!
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    Feb 25, 2011 5:01 AM GMT
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    Feb 25, 2011 5:08 AM GMT
    From what I understand, your body doesn't generally pull muscle mass as energy unless you're working out for a long period of time or really intensely. So I would assume you could probably just make sure you're getting enough of the protein you need and eating anything at the appropriate time (i.e. simple carbs after working out, veggies any time, etc.) I've never heard of your body really pulling energy from muscle as a regular resource unless your starving.
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    Feb 25, 2011 5:14 AM GMT
    i'm having a hard time understanding why you are eating so many carbs if you are trying to cut. i get the PB&J, though why not some eggs? esp the pasta, by itself. if you eat one, you should be eating them both - they should be working with each other (protein and carbs). again, this is why PB&J is a reasonable choice, but maybe save for a snack before the gym for energy.

    honestly, the best time for carbs is before the gym. and with your protein shake after a work out you should def have some simple carbs with the protein you slam after lifting. otherwise, i'd stick to a heavier protein consumption, and of course veggies. if you eat carbs keep it to a smaller portion, and slower digesting complex carbs - and again, make sure it's WITH protein, not by itself.
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    Feb 25, 2011 5:26 AM GMT
    MarsInAries saidi'm having a hard time understanding why you are eating so many carbs if you are trying to cut. i get the PB&J, though why not some eggs? esp the pasta, by itself. if you eat one, you should be eating them both - they should be working with each other (protein and carbs). again, this is why PB&J is a reasonable choice, but maybe save for a snack before the gym for energy.

    honestly, the best time for carbs is before the gym. and with your protein shake after a work out you should def have some simple carbs with the protein you slam after lifting. otherwise, i'd stick to a heavier protein consumption, and of course veggies. if you eat carbs keep it to a smaller portion, and slower digesting complex carbs - and again, make sure it's WITH protein, not by itself.


    Thanks for your reply! Well I am not eating a ton of carbs. I am trying to keep all my carbs pretty much limited to the meals before and after my workout. So in the morning I had those carbs to fuel my workout. And I should have clarified, I ate the pasta about 30 minutes after my protein shake, which was right after the gym. I am just used to taking a mass gainer after my workouts that has over 100g of carbs, but when I realized this new lower calorie shake hardly has carbs in it, I hurried up and ate some pasta to get some muscle-sparing carbs in my body. So yeah, there wasn't really protein in it, besides the 15 or so grams that's in the pasta (I eat that Barilla Plus stuff). Other than that, no more carbs the rest of the day.

    I appreciate the advice. I do need to try to eat the carbs with more protein. So do you think there is an issue to my varrying amount of protein throughout the day (besides the fact that I need to eat my carbs with protein)? Is there any issue to getting 20g of protein one meal and 50 or more the next?
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    Feb 25, 2011 6:11 AM GMT
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    Feb 25, 2011 6:31 AM GMT
    Basically, I only pay attention to two things when it comes to cutting:

    -Amount of protein consumed (and yes- it's fine to consume a lot of protein in one sitting- I've consumed 70+ grams in one sitting before and I haven't been effected)
    -Amount of calories consumed

    -Veggies <- if you count that, then maybe three, since we all know how healthy they are for you. Nom nom.

    When you figure out your target caloric intake, then subtract upwards of 1000 calories each day, and you will be able to lose <2 lbs/week.

    I hope that helps.
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    Feb 25, 2011 6:40 AM GMT
    Carbs-

    Although Whole grains is very good for slow digesting carb for energy

    I would stick to Veggies and fruits for cutting phase and the whole grains one or twice a week. that worked wonders for me.

    Carb intakes- Breakfast time( then Oatmeal or some whole grain) - before and after work out... Thats it!

    No sugars---- get all your sugars from fruits.

    Then I d watch my sodium intake also.
    There is a great south beach body regimen

    Where you start off taking a good amount of sodium to start with for 2 weeks or so with a lot of water and slowly reducing when summer is approaching so you can get that ripped look.
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    Feb 25, 2011 7:21 AM GMT
    hmmm actually your body won't really note to much of a difference as long as you actually pair the protein with something, space some of it throughout the day, and make sure you get a sufficient amount. While its great to try and get it spaced out even the reality is that at points its really hard to do unless you 'excel' your life... I've done it, and its annoying to stick to that tiny lil allowance you build in and figure out what you can eat thats different! Your muscles aren't going to waist away in 12hrs, let alone 5 or however long between meals. Really the only time you body actively strips its muscle and organ structures for nutrients is when it actually starts starving and needs them in essential functions. The reason we pack protein at times (specifically before or after a work out) is for muscle repair and growth as after workout thats what our body is actively doing, most of the time we aren't working this hard consistently so I'd say your fine.

    That being said if you are trying to cut the best things to do is taper the amount of carbs and sugar as you get so that at the end of the day, you don't want to have excess sitting in your system while you sleep cause those are being stored not used, hello hips and goodbye abs. Don't go to bed hungry though thats also a bad idea.
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    Feb 25, 2011 7:25 AM GMT
    Mrnomoreswag saidCarbs-

    Then I d watch my sodium intake also.
    There is a great south beach body regimen

    Where you start off taking a good amount of sodium to start with for 2 weeks or so with a lot of water and slowly reducing when summer is approaching so you can get that ripped look.


    I'd be cautious playing with salts, this can be really hard on your body. We need salts for various things, but in NA we get more than we really need... So take care what you do with this.
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    Feb 25, 2011 7:37 AM GMT
    Thanks for all the advice everyone!

    And I know about the salts. I have WAY too much sodium in my diet. My first step to cutting it down was to stop putting salt on everything. Now to just make sure I don't eat foods that are high in sodium.
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    Feb 25, 2011 9:44 PM GMT
    KSUOWL saidThanks for all the advice everyone!

    And I know about the salts. I have WAY too much sodium in my diet. My first step to cutting it down was to stop putting salt on everything. Now to just make sure I don't eat foods that are high in sodium.
    Sugar and salt are the worst, imo. They can be found anywhere and they put too much of it in everything. Good luck though, and let us know how it works out for you.
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    Feb 26, 2011 3:09 AM GMT
    I have questions similar to the original poster and figured I should just post it here since it's related.

    I actually just started watching my carb and sugar intake about a week ago. I'm naturally lean and it is difficult for me to gain mass, but at the same time (much like every other man), I'm pushing for a more defined torso. I used to be more defined a year ago, and I'm pushing to get the body fat low.

    My problem is, I wonder about whether or not I'm doing too much or going in two opposite directions. Is it possible to gain lean mass while cutting down body fat as well? If I continue eating a lot of protein and veggies, and continue the weights and cardio (swimming is kind of a daily routine for me), will the abs begin to show with me losing any lean mass? I also find it very difficult considering eating only protein and veggies leaves me still hungry at dinner time, so I need to eat a lot more of it to keep my stomach happy. Hoping that's the point! I'm also becoming more afraid to eat sweet fruits, as before I would eat as many and as much as I wanted, knowing they were healthy, but hadn't really thought about the sugar I was taking in.

    Any tips/advice is appreciated, especially food choices that could help.
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    Feb 26, 2011 3:18 AM GMT
    thisguy2 saidI have questions similar to the original poster and figured I should just post it here since it's related.

    I actually just started watching my carb and sugar intake about a week ago. I'm naturally lean and it is difficult for me to gain mass, but at the same time (much like every other man), I'm pushing for a more defined torso. I used to be more defined a year ago, and I'm pushing to get the body fat low.

    My problem is, I wonder about whether or not I'm doing too much or going in two opposite directions. Is it possible to gain lean mass while cutting down body fat as well? If I continue eating a lot of protein and veggies, and continue the weights and cardio (swimming is kind of a daily routine for me), will the abs begin to show with me losing any lean mass? I also find it very difficult considering eating only protein and veggies leaves me still hungry at dinner time, so I need to eat a lot more of it to keep my stomach happy. Hoping that's the point! I'm also becoming more afraid to eat sweet fruits, as before I would eat as many and as much as I wanted, knowing they were healthy, but hadn't really thought about the sugar I was taking in.

    Any tips/advice is appreciated, especially food choices that could help.


    This is totally unrelated!! Haha just kidding buddy.

    A tried exactly this a few years ago. I tried to gain muscle while shedding some fat. It absolutely did not work in my experience. I know this isn't what you were hoping to hear. You will get your best results if you define a goal. Either go ahead and start losing the fat to make your abs show, or try to put on mass. If you are wanting to put on mass, you have to eat like crazy. You need a calorie surplus, so you will obviously gain some fat. But if you are real disciplined and exact with your diet, you can keep the fat gain to a minimum. I finally decided to just gain mass this past October and I saw great results. Now this week I started the cut because I gained some fat while I bulked. Then sometime towards the end of the summer it will be mass gaining time again! Hope this helped!
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    Feb 26, 2011 4:25 AM GMT
    When I was cutting last summer, for breakfast, I ate a cup of cottage cheese, a cup of rolled oats/steel cut oatmeal (no sugar, yes it was gross) cooked, and 3 egg whites and coffee.

    For a snack I'd have a protein shake.

    Then a chicken breast with green beans or other veggies for lunch.

    Then I'd work out.

    Protein shake afterward.

    I had unsalted almonds and other nuts as fillers during the day

    Then I'd eat fish, romaine salad, and some wild rice. I'd vary that up by eating other approved foods. This mealplan was developed by a dietitian.
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    Mar 01, 2011 1:49 AM GMT
    will never cut eating that diet...google Palumbo diet...and eat what it says for 6 - 8 weeks. fat will start dropping off in about a week. ps you will want to eat your arm at first but you will get over it...
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    Mar 01, 2011 1:56 AM GMT
    cauzaseen saidFrom what I understand, your body doesn't generally pull muscle mass as energy unless you're working out for a long period of time or really intensely. So I would assume you could probably just make sure you're getting enough of the protein you need and eating anything at the appropriate time (i.e. simple carbs after working out, veggies any time, etc.) I've never heard of your body really pulling energy from muscle as a regular resource unless your starving.



    This is total BS. There are machines that can measure carbon output when you exhale that determine when your body starts burning muscle. For some it can be a heart rate of 120 bpm. It varies from person to person. Your body starts burning muscle very quickly when it runs out other sources of energy.
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    Mar 08, 2011 9:10 AM GMT
    Get all your sugar from foods...
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    Mar 08, 2011 9:43 AM GMT
    It's best to balance any carb intake with protein. If you have a balance of protein in your meal, you will absorb the carbs slower, and they won't translate into fat.

    Breakfast is a time to eat protein, not carbs. Too many cereal commercial on TV telling you that. Any meal that has protein in it will likely have more than enough carbs in it too. Adding protein will give you a longer energy run too.

    And seriously, Pasta? Cutting? I envy you if that works.

    Worrying about getting enough carbs in almost any diet is kind of like worrying that there is enough oxygen in the air you are breathing. In the modern diet every meal we eat has more than enough carbs for the most part. The hard part is getting enough protein with the least amount of fat.

    Eating more than 20 grams of protein at a sitting can be counterproductive. Your body can't process more than 15 to 20 grams of protein at one meal. Your body can't process the extra protein of a 50 gram protein shake, and could turn it into fat depending on your metabolism. Best to space out the intake of that shake to several hours, half before workout and half afterwards or something like that.
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    Mar 08, 2011 9:46 AM GMT
    Here's my diet challenge - it's the time of year when paczkis (those horrible little lard filled pastries they serve on mardi gras), shamrock shakes and $1 filet o' fish sandwiches are all readily available! i wonder if mixing protein with shamrock shakes can justify a binge?
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    Mar 08, 2011 10:32 AM GMT
    Shamrock shakes: Corn syrup, milk, some kind of oil (like soybean oil or corn oil), emulsifiers, algae, green dye, mint flavoring. I'm not sure much can help that icon_smile.gif Chicken breast, and a salad with a low oil dressing ?