DADT UPDATE - Gay sailors will be able to serve openly in TWO WEEKS!

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    Feb 27, 2011 5:20 AM GMT
    http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/02/navy-cno-dont-ask-is-easy-022511w/

    Gay sailors will be able to serve openly in two weeks.

    "I think the change is going to be easy", said Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Gary Roughead.

    Let's hope it's a hell of a lot easier implementing the change, than it was overcoming the near-total opposition of the Republicans in Congress in order to get DADT repealed.

    And, let's hope that it's smooth sailing ahead for America's gay sailors.
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    Feb 27, 2011 5:27 AM GMT
    Just finished reading the article. The training is coming out in 2 wks, but the actual lifting wont be until Sep at the least (according to the Feb 7 message cited in the article).

    Whatever the case is, I'll let ya'll know in 2 wks. lol

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    Feb 27, 2011 5:31 AM GMT
    One1313 saidI'll let you know in 2 wks. lol



    Please do let us know.
  • mynyun

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    Feb 27, 2011 10:08 AM GMT
    Well, I guess some change is good change. icon_confused.gif
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    Feb 27, 2011 10:19 AM GMT
    The armed forces tend to be good at hitting administrative deadlines (it helps when it's an order, rather than an aspiration). By the end of the summer, DADT will be history.
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    Feb 27, 2011 10:23 AM GMT


    Lol there's gonna be Serious Drama....Cant Wait
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    Feb 27, 2011 10:27 AM GMT
    DarkSensation said

    Lol there's gonna be Serious Drama....Cant Wait


    Why? There was no drama when it happened here in the UK. Like the Admiral said in the above article, for the vast majority of service personnel, it is not even an issue. It will be business as usual for the armed forces, but a huge change for gay service members.
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    Feb 27, 2011 10:33 AM GMT
    Mil8 said
    DarkSensation said

    Lol there's gonna be Serious Drama....Cant Wait


    Why? There was no drama when it happened here in the UK. Like the Admiral said in the above article, for the vast majority of service personnel, it is not even an issue.



    You should know Americans do thing differently...that's how the whole country was founded to begin with.....so How canadian or Uk or Australia does it....USA walk to the Beat of their own Drum

    So Trust me, There will be Drama icon_smile.gif
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    Feb 27, 2011 10:39 AM GMT
    DarkSensation saidSo Trust me, There will be Drama icon_smile.gif


    I have worked with the US armed forces and they tend to be no more socially conservative than the UK armed forces. In fact, I found the US armed forces to be far more politically correct than we are. I'd bet a month's wages that, a month after the lifting of DADT, everyone will be wondering what all the fuss was about.
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    Feb 27, 2011 11:48 AM GMT
    DarkSensation said
    Mil8 said
    DarkSensation said

    Lol there's gonna be Serious Drama....Cant Wait


    Why? There was no drama when it happened here in the UK. Like the Admiral said in the above article, for the vast majority of service personnel, it is not even an issue.



    You should know Americans do thing differently...that's how the whole country was founded to begin with.....so How canadian or Uk or Australia does it....USA walk to the Beat of their own Drum

    So Trust me, There will be Drama icon_smile.gif


    I'm sure there will be drama like we got here in Madison. Politics always cause drama here in the US. icon_sad.gif
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    Feb 27, 2011 5:44 PM GMT
    That is very true that the US beats to a different drum. I am all in favor of permanent repeal of DADT. But given the extremist religious, conservative mindset of most of the US Military, there will be drama and there will be problems but the military will overcome these potentially serious problems and drama as time goes on. Major changes take time.
  • needleninja

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    Feb 27, 2011 6:00 PM GMT
    fuck yes!!
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    Feb 27, 2011 6:25 PM GMT
    I asked a couple of my friends in the Army how they were going to conduct this "training"....they said it will be put out by the EEO office as an online class/presentation...and the deadline would be August 1 to take this class and pass the test online.....I wonder how hard it is to say that gays are allowed to serve openly?icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 28, 2011 5:08 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidThat is very true that the US beats to a different drum. I am all in favor of permanent repeal of DADT. But given the extremist religious, conservative mindset of most of the US Military, there will be drama and there will be problems but the military will overcome these potentially serious problems and drama as time goes on. Major changes take time.




    Absolutely right.
    The military will behave like professionals and do their jobs.
    The few who cause "drama" will be disciplined or get booted out.
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    Feb 28, 2011 5:21 AM GMT
    There will be some "drama" .... realize where the average american military member's social conservative meter is at....

    Anyway... the repeal will not be complete until the SecDef, president, & chairman of the joint chiefs give it the Okay in writing after all the training and documentation is complete and THEN a 60 day waiting period occurs before final appeal.

    It will still be many months if not more than a year till its all said and done. Assuming no bills come to pass to delay or halt the process.
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    Feb 28, 2011 5:33 AM GMT
    crownroyal117 saidThere will be some "drama" .... realize where the average american military member's social conservative meter is at....

    Anyway... the repeal will not be complete until the SecDef, president, & chairman of the joint chiefs give it the Okay in writing after all the training and documentation is complete and THEN a 60 day waiting period occurs before final appeal.

    It will still be many months if not more than a year till its all said and done. Assuming no bills come to pass to delay or halt the process.




    NOPE.
    The process of training MUST be done by June 30th - at which point it will go to President Obama, Secretary Gates, and the chairman of Joint Chiefs for final approval.
    They've all already stated publicly their approve of the repeal, so it's just a formality.
    Expect some sort of signing ceremony with the President.
    60 days later - the new law will take full effect.

    So - by the end of the summer, DADT will be fully implemented.

    And - NO "bills" can possibly "come to pass to delay or halt the process".
    Any attempt to undo the repeal of DADT by the Repubs in the House would die a quick death in the Democratic-controlled Senate.
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    Mar 13, 2011 9:57 PM GMT
    Yep, right as rain. The DADT training came out. It's only for top brass right now. Eventually it'll filter down into commands' and then individuals' levels.

    The curtain's still up in the mean time though. All that's left now is to hurry up and wait.
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    Mar 13, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
    Gay sailors? I guess there will be a lot more sea men now.
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    Mar 13, 2011 10:21 PM GMT
    CHIdude saidGay sailors? I guess there will be a lot more sea men now.


    I was going to say something about seamen. You beat me to it. Well anyway, I hope this means more seamen will be going to gay bars during fleet week. Haha. But on a more serious note, it's good that this is finally being done.
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    Mar 13, 2011 10:26 PM GMT
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    crownroyal117 saidThere will be some "drama" .... realize where the average american military member's social conservative meter is at....

    Anyway... the repeal will not be complete until the SecDef, president, & chairman of the joint chiefs give it the Okay in writing after all the training and documentation is complete and THEN a 60 day waiting period occurs before final appeal.

    It will still be many months if not more than a year till its all said and done. Assuming no bills come to pass to delay or halt the process.




    NOPE.
    The process of training MUST be done by June 30th - at which point it will go to President Obama, Secretary Gates, and the chairman of Joint Chiefs for final approval.
    They've all already stated publicly their approve of the repeal, so it's just a formality.
    Expect some sort of signing ceremony with the President.
    60 days later - the new law will take full effect.

    So - by the end of the summer, DADT will be fully implemented.

    And - NO "bills" can possibly "come to pass to delay or halt the process".
    Any attempt to undo the repeal of DADT by the Repubs in the House would die a quick death in the Democratic-controlled Senate.


    You're correct in all but one area rickrick. Obama can request certification at any time by Gates and the Joint Chiefs- there is no set in stone June 30th date. Obama is not required to wait for all or any of the military branches to complete their training before requesting certification. He could request it today if he wanted. But, as a policy matter, the President is choosing to wait until most or all of the branches are significantly done or done with their post DADT training before making the certification request.

    So, while the certification and 60-day countdown probably will start late this summer, there is no set timeline or deadline. Obama could try to get the clock ticking sooner, or he could wait until later this fall or winter. Fortunately, the heat on him to get it started asap will be high, so by sometime this fall we should be living in a DADT free society.


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    Mar 13, 2011 10:40 PM GMT
    DarkSensation said

    Lol there's gonna be Serious Drama....Cant Wait


    As someone who has been in the military for over 15 years now, I completely disagree. Yes there will be a few jackasses out there who cause problems but by and large this is going to be a big non event. Most people already know who is gay and who isn't and no one cares. Members of the military are professionals who, when told to obey the law, will do so honorably and respectfully.
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    Mar 13, 2011 10:46 PM GMT
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    CHIdude saidGay sailors? I guess there will be a lot more sea men now.


    I was going to say something about seamen. You beat me to it. Well anyway, I hope this means more seamen will be going to gay bars during fleet week. Haha. But on a more serious note, it's good that this is finally being done.


    well, I think you can count on Admiral Rough(h)ead icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 13, 2011 10:51 PM GMT
    gatolifter said
    DarkSensation said

    Lol there's gonna be Serious Drama....Cant Wait


    As someone who has been in the military for over 15 years now, I completely disagree. Yes there will be a few jackasses out there who cause problems but by and large this is going to be a big non event. Most people already know who is gay and who isn't and no one cares. Members of the military are professionals who, when told to obey the law, will do so honorably and respectfully.



    Right.
    The "drama" was just some shit stirred up by Republican politicians to try to please the religious right base of their party in the hopes that it would help win some votes for Repub candidates.
    It was just the same old shit political game playing from the right.

    Now that the Dems in Congress have killed DADT, as soon as the policy is completely phased out, our professional and disciplined military will show the politicians that there was no need for "drama".