Colorado Springs - New Life Church Heroine Comes Out - and is Booted

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    Feb 28, 2011 10:47 PM GMT
    http://www.gazette.com/news/don-113486-new-hero.html


    "Thanks for saving our lives, but please leave now, because we don’t like what you stand for.

    That is the message Jeanne Assam says she received last year when she informed the powers-that-be at New Life Church that she is gay. It was Assam, you’ll remember, who was widely hailed as a hero for ending a murderous rampage at New Life Dec. 9, 2007.

    On that morning, 24-year-old Matthew Murray shot and killed two New Life parishioners after having murdered two others the night before at a training center for Christian missionaries in Arvada. Heavily armed, Murray would have killed many more at New Life, had it not been for Assam, who was working as a volunteer security guard."
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    Mar 01, 2011 5:53 AM GMT
    That's just low and disgusting. Some people need to get their priorities straightened.
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    Mar 01, 2011 5:57 AM GMT
    Bullwinklemoos saidThat's just low and disgusting. Some people need to get their priorities straightened.
    LOL you talking about the thumpers? Oh yeah they have their priorities...
  • BardBear

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    Mar 02, 2011 10:59 AM GMT
    Having spent a good chunk of my life living in Colorado Springs and in the shadow of that place-is it really out of sync with reality?

    Yeap. Sounds like something they would do. Do you know how many people tried to kill themselves after going there and meeting TeddyBear Haggard, long before his hypocracy came to light? Too many, in my opinion. And now this? New Life takes what is wrong with the church and makes it bigger so everyone can see. And they dance in the aisles about it and no one notices. I just don't get the place.

    Peace?
    Bardy
  • GQjock

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    Mar 02, 2011 12:14 PM GMT
    Yeah .... wasn't that the same place that Haggard came from?

    As far as priorities go?
    It's more than that
    These places are Church Sanctioned evil .... and the proof is in the pudding
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    Mar 02, 2011 3:34 PM GMT
    for some reason, I find this situation totally ironic. I could swear 3 years ago, that Christians were praising her and her faith in God. But now they turn their back on her.
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    Mar 02, 2011 3:51 PM GMT
    They say gay people are welcome at their church. Which is true. As long as they are celibate and trying to be straight. Therefore, gay people aren't really welcome. The church is consciously playing a game of semantics in order to paint itself in a good light. No church, save Westboro, is going to come out and say "Gay people aren't welcomed here". Even if they aren't. I can't see myself ever going back to church. It's just filled with too many douchebags. Sad.
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    Mar 03, 2011 12:23 PM GMT
    muscles4muscles saidThey say gay people are welcome at their church. Which is true. As long as they are celibate and trying to be straight. Therefore, gay people aren't really welcome. The church is consciously playing a game of semantics in order to paint itself in a good light. No church, save Westboro, is going to come out and say "Gay people aren't welcomed here". Even if they aren't. I can't see myself ever going back to church. It's just filled with too many douchebags. Sad.


    Right on the money.

    Peace,
    Bardy
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    Mar 03, 2011 12:35 PM GMT
    This is exactly why I strayed from the church. If you don't live by these ridiculous strict rules you're a fucken heathen and damned to hell. Some christians they are.
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    Mar 03, 2011 12:37 PM GMT
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    muscles4muscles said As long as they are celibate and trying to be straight.


    Dunno, somewhere in another thread someone put it as 'churches accept the orientation but not acting on it'. That has been my experience too in numerous church settings: they did not try to make me 'straight' (or not straight or anything, change did not come into the picture), it was simply about not acting on it. I know it sounds like semantics or play on words, but there is a fundamental difference. It only makes sense, take the gay aspect out of it and put substitute a Catholic priest: that church beliefs they should not be married, that doesn't mean the church does not think their priests don't have sexual desisted or do not have sexual attractions, or about changing them to be asexual, it's about they expect them not to act on it.

    Dunno, maybe you have to experience it...

    I believe both Boyd and Assam (I.e. There is a miscommunication there, and I don't mean to minimize it by saying miscommunication), and of course I feel and for Assam, goes without saying that this takes a huge personal toll / hurt for her as a person and not for Boyd or NLC, and I'd expect Boyd/NLC would be the ones working at clearing it up personally with Assam and showing her some love...

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    Mar 03, 2011 1:04 PM GMT
    ClrwtrDLbud71 said[quote][cite]BardBear said[/cite]
    muscles4muscles said As long as they are celibate and trying to be straight.


    Dunno, somewhere in another thread someone put it as 'churches accept the orientation but not acting on it'. That has been my experience too in numerous church settings: they did not try to make me 'straight' (or not straight or anything, change did not come into the picture), it was simply about not acting on it. I know it sounds like semantics or play on words, but there is a fundamental difference. It only makes sense, take the gay aspect out of it and put substitute a Catholic priest: that church beliefs they should not be married, that doesn't mean the church does not think their priests don't have sexual desisted or do not have sexual attractions, or about changing them to be asexual, it's about they expect them not to act on it.

    Dunno, maybe you have to experience it...

    I believe both Boyd and Assam (I.e. There is a miscommunication there, and I don't mean to minimize it by saying miscommunication), and of course I feel and for Assam, goes without saying that this takes a huge personal toll / hurt for her as a person and not for Boyd or NLC, and I'd expect Boyd/NLC would be the ones working at clearing it up personally with Assam and showing her some love...






    I guess it depends on what type of church you're talking about. I come from a Protestant, evangelical background. Most of those type of churches, which New Life is one of, believes it's possible to go from gay to straight and that you should be working toward that goal.
  • BardBear

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    Mar 08, 2011 8:28 PM GMT
    Also, New Life is a pipeline to Focus on the Family. Literally a few blocks away. So New Life supports conversion-then tells you of all the great therapy programs at Hocus-Focus you can spend your money on. That's the life of Colorado Springs. That synergy keeps those places in business. So they condemn her, make her feel better and then point out that if she spends money, she can come back to her friends.

    A mess.

    Peace,
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    Mar 08, 2011 8:53 PM GMT
    Can we stop giving tax breaks to these hate groups?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 09, 2011 10:03 PM GMT
    Probably it is time to have either a big white party or black party in the urban heart of Colorado Springs and take that sprawling city over from the right wing lunatics.
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    Mar 15, 2011 10:39 AM GMT
    I am a normal guy, but my faith is a big deal to me. I have actually read the Bible and I am convinced beyond a doubt that as a gay man, God loves me, Christ loves me, I love them and when I die I will see them.

    But so many "Christians" have misread the Bible and Jesus' teachings and use it to show prejudice and hatred. I hope everyone on here knows that when people do this, it isn't God doing it.

    He really, really does love you, bros. And sick, twisted events like this make all of us Christians look bad. I am very sad about it. I gotta tell you, it is my mission in life to tell the gay community the truth, not the "religious" lie that pushes you from God.

    God loves gay people.