US Supreme Court Upholds Westboro Baptist Church in Picketing Military Funerals to Protest Gays

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    Mar 02, 2011 3:24 PM GMT
    A breaking story, I'll post news reports as I find them.
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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41868004/ns/politics-more_politics/
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    Mar 02, 2011 3:32 PM GMT
    disappointing.




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  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 02, 2011 3:36 PM GMT
    I saw it in the headlines. Haven't had any time to check out the reasoning.
    Certainly disappointed in the ruling, but I'll see what it was based on.... and what the vote was.
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    Mar 02, 2011 3:36 PM GMT
    wonders if this might be the first (and only) topic that everybody on RJ might agree on (without devolving into the usual name calling, snide remarks, and blocking that every other political post on this site entails)...
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    Mar 02, 2011 3:38 PM GMT
    Well I understand the principle of free speech, but the Supreme Court is quick enough to restrict it when it wants. I'm just disappointed that the Liberal members of the Court evidently felt the same way, in this 8-1 decision.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 02, 2011 3:38 PM GMT
    This is indeed interesting... 8-1 for the protestors. I wonder who the holdout was and the basis of the ruling for... and the dissenting opinion against.
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    Mar 02, 2011 3:41 PM GMT
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/03/02/scotus.westboro.church/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
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    Mar 02, 2011 3:50 PM GMT
    Yeah, I meant I think we can all agree the WBC folks are douchebags, to put it mildly. The military side of me despises these folks, while at the same time I swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution that protects these a-holes. The silver lining being that I see this as an issue that unites both political "sides" - at least I see those of a religious persuasion at work (who aren't particularly happy with the DADT demise) denouncing these folks as well...
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    Mar 02, 2011 7:54 PM GMT
    09ARMYJOCK saidYeah, I meant I think we can all agree the WBC folks are douchebags...

    Can we? I think there are a few members here who support them.

    But in any case, now the Supreme Court is going to be held to a very (dare I say it) liberal interpretation of free speech. If WBC can say this, then who can be muzzled? An interesting dilemma this creates for the Court in future cases.

    Plus veterans groups will not be happy with this. The right-wingers on the Court are gonna catch some flack over this, which is a good thing. I'm just disappointed that some liberals joined them.
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    Mar 02, 2011 8:37 PM GMT
    If Obama were smart (and he's actually too timid), he would immediately propose a US Constitutional amendment to block actions like WBC has been doing. That would checkmate this US Supreme Court decision.

    The right-wing Republican House would have to agree, where the bill is submitted, and the Senate would likely go along. Obama signs it and it goes to the States for ratification, where it would likely be approved faster than any Amendment before it.

    But wishful thinking. Obama won't act, and House Republicans don't want to embarrass their hero Chief Justice Roberts, who wrote this opinion. Only if Obama put them on the spot would they be forced, and Obama is too wimpy for that. icon_sad.gif
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    Mar 02, 2011 8:45 PM GMT
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    09ARMYJOCK saidYeah, I meant I think we can all agree the WBC folks are douchebags...

    Can we? I think there are a few members here who support them.

    But in any case, now the Supreme Court is going to be held to a very (dare I say it) liberal interpretation of free speech. If WBC can say this, then who can be muzzled? An interesting dilemma this creates for the Court in future cases.

    Plus veterans groups will not be happy with this. The right-wingers on the Court are gonna catch some flack over this, which is a good thing. I'm just disappointed that some liberals joined them.


    All of the liberals joined in, the dissenting opinion was from Justice Alito, nominated by George Dubya.
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    Mar 02, 2011 8:53 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidThis is indeed interesting... 8-1 for the protestors. I wonder who the holdout was and the basis of the ruling for... and the dissenting opinion against.


    "Only Justice Samuel Alito dissented. He said the church's "outrageous conduct caused petitioner great injury, and the court now compounds that injury by depriving petitioner of a judgment that acknowledges the wrong he suffered," he said. "In order to have a society in which public issues can be openly and vigorously debated, it is not necessary to allow the brutalization of innocent victims like petitioner.""

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/03/02/scotus.westboro.church/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
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    Mar 02, 2011 8:58 PM GMT
    Hopefully someone will shoot the fucking fuckers during one of their protests.
    I have a feeling that the shooter would be let off lightly, if not have the case completely thrown out.
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    Mar 02, 2011 9:05 PM GMT
    Any attempt to censor speech is most offensive. You might think it obscene and inappropriate, but the same people you find vulgar find you criminal. The same law you would have signed in could be used against you.

    I'm glad we live in a republic and not a democracy.
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    Mar 02, 2011 9:15 PM GMT
    MisfortunesOfVirtue saidAny attempt to censor speech is most offensive. You might think it obscene and inappropriate, but the same people you find vulgar find you criminal. The same law you would have signed in could be used against you.

    I'm glad we live in a republic and not a democracy.


    True. Apparently some of the WBC children work as attorneys for the state they live in.

    Instead of firing them, the position should be eliminated and wiped from the books so no cause of action can be taken.

    Also we should petition anyone who would do business with them even the guys that make there signs be publicly shamed.

    Legally they can be stamped into oblivion if enough effort is made. It is completely legal to not do business with someone on grounds of immortality.
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    Mar 02, 2011 10:04 PM GMT
    Something to consider, the following is a restatement of the facts as understood by the US Supreme Court:

    Opinion from the CourtFor the past 20 years, the congregation of the Westboro Baptist Church has picketed military funerals to communicate its belief that Godhates the United States for its tolerance of homosexuality, particu-larly in America’s military. The church’s picketing has also con-demned the Catholic Church for scandals involving its clergy. Fred Phelps, who founded the church, and six Westboro Baptist parishion-ers (all relatives of Phelps) traveled to Maryland to picket the funeral of Marine Lance Corporal Matthew Snyder, who was killed in Iraq inthe line of duty. The picketing took place on public land approxi-mately 1,000 feet from the church where the funeral was held, in ac-cordance with guidance from local law enforcement officers. The picketers peacefully displayed their signs—stating, e.g., “Thank God for Dead Soldiers,” “Fags Doom Nations,” “America is Doomed,” “Priests Rape Boys,” and “You’re Going to Hell”—for about 30 min-utes before the funeral began. Matthew Snyder’s father (Snyder), pe-titioner here, saw the tops of the picketers’ signs when driving to the funeral, but did not learn what was written on the signs until watch-ing a news broadcast later that night.


    If anyone would like to read the Court's opinion, Breyer's concurring opinion, and Alito's dissenting opinion you can find it here:

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-751.pdf
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    Mar 02, 2011 11:36 PM GMT
    Apparently this story isn't as important as John Galliano getting fired. Sometimes the fagginess of this site is astounding.

    This had 85 views and that had 284 views.

    When some tweaked out fashion designer can say " Hitler was right" and cause and uproar in Paris, some inbred hicks can say, "God hates fags" at military funerals and be protected by our Supreme Court under our first amendment.

    I read reader comments beneath articles on CNN, Fox and MSNBC, and they are thanking God for living in a country where this scum can spew their bullshit, even as much as they hate what Westboro says.

    Are there any European RJ'ers who can speak to hate speech laws on the continent? Would Europe tolerate a religious group holding signs that said, "God hates Jews?" Europe learned a lesson for tolerating that kind of speech.

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    Mar 02, 2011 11:53 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidI agree with the Court's decision.


    As do I.
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    Mar 03, 2011 12:03 AM GMT
    You can't hate me for who I am, I can't hate you for who you are, how is it different? They have the same rights as gay males to express how they feel, get over it, sensational, yeah, whatever, move on.............do I like it, hell no.
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    Mar 03, 2011 12:50 AM GMT
    FlibbertyGibbet saidApparently this story isn't as important as John Galliano getting fired. Sometimes the fagginess of this site is astounding.

    This had 85 views and that had 284 views.

    When some tweaked out fashion designer can say " Hitler was right" and cause and uproar in Paris, some inbred hicks can say, "God hates fags" at military funerals and be protected by our Supreme Court under our first amendment.

    I read reader comments beneath articles on CNN, Fox and MSNBC, and they are thanking God for living in a country where this scum can spew their bullshit, even as much as they hate what Westboro says.

    Are there any European RJ'ers who can speak to hate speech laws on the continent? Would Europe tolerate a religious group holding signs that said, "God hates Jews?" Europe learned a lesson for tolerating that kind of speech.



    The Westboro Baptist Church is anti-Semitic and holds up anti-Jewish signs at their protests. Shirley Phelps-Roper during a recent interview complained about the direction of the interview and the host by saying, "I mean I'm talking to a little guy who's a Jew here..."
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    FlibbertyGibbet saidApparently this story isn't as important as John Galliano getting fired. Sometimes the fagginess of this site is astounding.

    This had 85 views and that had 284 views.

    When some tweaked out fashion designer can say " Hitler was right" and cause and uproar in Paris, some inbred hicks can say, "God hates fags" at military funerals and be protected by our Supreme Court under our first amendment.

    I read reader comments beneath articles on CNN, Fox and MSNBC, and they are thanking God for living in a country where this scum can spew their bullshit, even as much as they hate what Westboro says.

    Are there any European RJ'ers who can speak to hate speech laws on the continent? Would Europe tolerate a religious group holding signs that said, "God hates Jews?" Europe learned a lesson for tolerating that kind of speech.





    The Galliano story isn't about him getting fired.
    It's about the anti-Semitic shit he said.
    The story has nothing to do with anything gay.
    It's about bigotry and hate.
    For you to whine that caring about the story implies "fagginess" is total BS.
    Caring about the story implies giving a shit about calling out bigotry and hate.

    And FYI - hating on gays with that "fagginess" comment - when YOU'RE gay is really fucking pathetic.
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    Mar 03, 2011 1:24 AM GMT
    Although I don't agree with the views of Westboro Baptist Church, I do agree with the decision of the Supreme Court. If the majority had voted otherwise, it would be a slippery slope for litigation in this country.

    I know I might catch flack for this, but as I previously said in another post, I'm glad we have the Westboro Baptist Church.

    Too often people cowardly hide behind the first amendment. They proudly boast their bigotry. And they do so without regard to the person they are directing their vile remarks at. Here comes the Westboro Baptist Church using that same right to the utmost extreme and showing an even uglier side to it. We can learn a great lesson from these folks about how to exercise our first amendment right in a way that is mindful of others.
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    FlibbertyGibbet saidApparently this story isn't as important as John Galliano getting fired. Sometimes the fagginess of this site is astounding.

    This had 85 views and that had 284 views.

    When some tweaked out fashion designer can say " Hitler was right" and cause and uproar in Paris, some inbred hicks can say, "God hates fags" at military funerals and be protected by our Supreme Court under our first amendment.

    I read reader comments beneath articles on CNN, Fox and MSNBC, and they are thanking God for living in a country where this scum can spew their bullshit, even as much as they hate what Westboro says.

    Are there any European RJ'ers who can speak to hate speech laws on the continent? Would Europe tolerate a religious group holding signs that said, "God hates Jews?" Europe learned a lesson for tolerating that kind of speech.





    The Galliano story isn't about him getting fired.
    It's about the anti-Semitic shit he said.
    The story has nothing to do with anything gay.
    It's about bigotry and hate.
    For you to whine that caring about the story implies "fagginess" is total BS.
    Caring about the story implies giving a shit about calling out bigotry and hate.

    And FYI - hating on gays with that "fagginess" comment - when YOU'RE gay is really fucking pathetic.


    Thanks for pointing the obvious. YES! It is about bigotry and hate in both cases! One focuses on jews and the other focuses on jews AND gays, and the effects of what people say about them publicly.

    One drunk or tweaked fashion designer spills hatred on Jews. One group can spew their sick shit at funerals. In their minds, a soldier's death is divine retribution for accepting homosexuality culturally.

    Suddenly, the world is in an uproar over Galliano. When I checked into RJ today, I was SURE I would find a ten page thread filled with lively debate on the SCOTUS decision. Instead, I find a page on John Galliano. I had to search for the Westboro story.

    What I find so ridiculous, you hypocrite...you are upset at ME saying "fagginess," but not upset enough to create a topic about Westboro, and tear down Westboro for using it. Strangely this topic never shows up on the front page of RJ after people post.

    "Caring about the story implies giving a shit about calling out bigotry and hate.

    Do YOU care enough to call out bigotry and hate against gays? Were there enough people who called out bigotry and hatred of Jews in Europe in the 30's? I have neighbors with tattoos on their arms who would say "NO!"

    So go on and care about what you would to do if you caught the guy above you jacking off, or how big your butt is, or what you would do if some troll is trying to dance with you when you aren't interested in him.
    That is the "fagginess" I was referring to idiot.
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    Mar 03, 2011 2:00 AM GMT
    creature saidI know I might catch flack for this, but as I previously said in another post, I'm glad we have the Westboro Baptist Church

    Never mind flack from us here, just explain your position to the families of fallen American heroes, who had to endure the disruptive taunts of WBC at the funeral of their loved one. Someone who died in the honorable service of their country, and who likely had nothing to do with gay issues.

    You tell those traumatized families how glad you are for the Westboro Baptist Church. You tell that to their faces, if you can. You do that, OK?