Ron Paul Supports DOMA (and gets some things wrong)

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    Mar 02, 2011 6:31 PM GMT
    I have to admit I am a little disappointed to read this.

    http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/7801-ron-paul-gets-it-wrong-on-doma

    Hopefully the Tea Party Caucus will be persuaded to stick to it's agenda of reducing federal spending and leave troublesome social conservative issues on a far back burner, or better yet, oppose them as unconstitutional.
  • tongun18

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    Mar 02, 2011 6:38 PM GMT
    say it ain't so...

    he even wants to prevent challenges to the law by removing DOMA from the Federal Courts' jurisdiction. icon_eek.gif What???
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    Mar 02, 2011 10:00 PM GMT
    That would be a move that would gain very little traction, I think.

    It would probably need some support from House Democrats, and would most likely get snuffed out in the Senate.

    As I said, very disappointing, as I really like many of Ron Paul's ideas for auditing the Federal Reserve, decreasing the intrusion of federal government against individual liberty, and state/local governance, and rolling back military interventionism, and increased protection of personal liberties.

    We really need to see a constitutional amendment along these lines:

    Amendment ••

    The rights of two citizens, regardless of gender or sexual identity, to be joined in marriage, having reached the age of majority and consent in the state where they reside, shall not be infringed.
  • tongun18

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    Mar 02, 2011 10:26 PM GMT
    alphatrigger said
    We really need to see a constitutional amendment along these lines:

    Amendment ••

    The rights of two citizens, regardless of gender or sexual identity, to be joined in marriage, having reached the age of majority and consent in the state where they reside, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State.

    Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.



    Basically the same but I think this would offer more explicit protection.
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    Mar 03, 2011 12:01 AM GMT
    That's kind of weird because it would contradict his idea that it should be left up to the states? Maybe he's going senile...
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    Mar 03, 2011 4:02 AM GMT
    Perhaps you are right; I do tend to give him a little benefit of the doubt on his personal views, given his upbringing and generation he is from (both being generally socially conservative).

    Still, he is a lot closer to what I believe than a lot of the other potential frontrunners for the GOP.

    And while Obama holds promise for LGBT issues - he is way too far left and a statist for my liking otherwise.
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    Mar 03, 2011 4:07 AM GMT
    jprichva said
    mocktwinkie saidThat's kind of weird because it would contradict his idea that it should be left up to the states? Maybe he's going senile...

    Or just maybe all of you who profess to love him actually love what you'd like to think he is, rather than what he actually is.

    His ties to white supremacists are well-documented, despite your earlier pooh-poohing. This latest bit isn't a deviation from what he's always been, it IS what he's always been.


    I honestly couldn't care less if he's a racist in his personal life, or even a homophobe. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of african americans and other ethnic groups in positions of power who are racist. I'm positive Barack Obama is personally racist -- you couldn't have been in association with that pastor and church of his for that long and not be infected. All that matters is what they enact policy wise. I think we'd all be shocked at how many privately prejudiced and racist people there are who cooperate and work with others in all sorts of public positions.
  • mke_bt

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    Mar 03, 2011 4:26 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    jprichva said
    mocktwinkie saidThat's kind of weird because it would contradict his idea that it should be left up to the states? Maybe he's going senile...

    Or just maybe all of you who profess to love him actually love what you'd like to think he is, rather than what he actually is.

    His ties to white supremacists are well-documented, despite your earlier pooh-poohing. This latest bit isn't a deviation from what he's always been, it IS what he's always been.


    I honestly could care less if he's a racist in his personal life, or even a homophobe. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of african americans and other ethnic groups in positions of power who are racist. I'm positive Barack Obama is personally racist -- you couldn't have been in association with that pastor and church of his for that long and not be infected. All that matters is what they enact policy wise. I think we'd all be shocked at how many privately prejudiced and racist people there are who cooperate and work with others in all sorts of public positions.


    So it bothers you enough that you could care less but not enough that you couldn't care less.
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    Mar 03, 2011 4:30 AM GMT
    When are you gonna figure out WHAT the 'tea party' really is? icon_rolleyes.gif
  • tongun18

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    Mar 03, 2011 5:53 PM GMT
    jprichva said

    His ties to white supremacists are well-documented, despite your earlier pooh-poohing. This latest bit isn't a deviation from what he's always been, it IS what he's always been.




    Do you have evidence that supports this? I've never seen anything that would confirm he has ties to white supremacists. At this point I'm convinced it some BS perpetuated by the same type of people who are trying to assert Obama is an adherent of Islam and wasn't actually born in the US.
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    Mar 03, 2011 7:03 PM GMT
    mke_bt said
    mocktwinkie said
    jprichva said
    mocktwinkie saidThat's kind of weird because it would contradict his idea that it should be left up to the states? Maybe he's going senile...

    Or just maybe all of you who profess to love him actually love what you'd like to think he is, rather than what he actually is.

    His ties to white supremacists are well-documented, despite your earlier pooh-poohing. This latest bit isn't a deviation from what he's always been, it IS what he's always been.


    I honestly could care less if he's a racist in his personal life, or even a homophobe. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of african americans and other ethnic groups in positions of power who are racist. I'm positive Barack Obama is personally racist -- you couldn't have been in association with that pastor and church of his for that long and not be infected. All that matters is what they enact policy wise. I think we'd all be shocked at how many privately prejudiced and racist people there are who cooperate and work with others in all sorts of public positions.


    So it bothers you enough that you could care less but not enough that you couldn't care less.


    Sorry I meant couldn't. I always mistype that. :-/
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    Mar 03, 2011 7:18 PM GMT
    This is not exactly surprising.