Wis. Senate GOPers Vote To Fine Fugitive Dems $100 Per Day

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  • rnch

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    Mar 02, 2011 7:33 PM GMT
    the gop-ers must be getting desperate; now that popular opinion is turning against them.


    they seem to be forgetting the old adage "what goes around....comes around".


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    Mar 02, 2011 7:38 PM GMT
    rnch saidthe gop-ers must be getting desperate; now that popular opinion is turning against them.


    they seem to be forgetting the old adage "what goes around....comes around".


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    One that Democrats would equally do well to remember.
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    Mar 02, 2011 7:45 PM GMT
    Ok, get ready for violence. Somebody's gonna get pissed and retaliate. Just wait for it.
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    Caslon17000 saidOk, get ready for violence. Somebody's gonna get pissed and retaliate. Just wait for it.


    You mean above the union thugs and the you know actual violence by union supporters? These fines are the retaliation. I understand why they have to stand up for one of their largest financial backers, but there is something terribly odd to have one political party be effectively the sole beneficiary of a self interest group that depends on that political party. The people of Wisconsin had an election - that Democrats would circumvent that will - and that of a representative democracy, is one that will haunt the Democrats in the future.
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    Caslon17000 saidOk, get ready for violence. Somebody's gonna get pissed and retaliate. Just wait for it.


    But wait, I didn't think the left was interested in exercising violence? It's always those righties with the crosshairs.
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    Wanna bet Faux-News shows a graphic stating $10?
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    Caslon17000 saidOk, get ready for violence. Somebody's gonna get pissed and retaliate. Just wait for it.


    You mean above the union thugs and the you know actual violence by union supporters? These fines are the retaliation. I understand why they have to stand up for one of their largest financial backers, but there is something terribly odd to have one political party be effectively the sole beneficiary of a self interest group that depends on that political party. The people of Wisconsin had an election - that Democrats would circumvent that will - and that of a representative democracy, is one that will haunt the Democrats in the future.


    What a ridiculous, specious and hypocritical response. First, there has been no violence by Wisconsin protesters, unless you count the tape that O'Reilly tried to use with Palm Trees in it.

    Second, the unions are no more or less "the largest financial backers" or "sole beneficiary" of the Democrats than the Koch brothers are of the Republicans, except that the unions represent hundreds of thousands of people and not a constituency of two. In particular, Walker has plans to sell WI's energy holdings to the Kochs who are already advertising for positions in companies they have yet to buy.

    Third, yes, WI had an election but it wasn't a blow out, Walker never discussed eliminating collective bargaining during his campaign, and all polls show that the majority of Wisconsinites are against it. So if Walker wants to represent the people, he can end this bullshit, accept the union concessions and move on.
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    Mar 02, 2011 9:11 PM GMT
    LeanathleticDC said

    Wanna bet Faux-News shows a graphic stating $10?
    Nah.. It'll be a kiss-in!
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    Mar 02, 2011 9:44 PM GMT
    Docking them a day's pay for each day they are non-attending their scheduled sessions would be just.

    As for the folks siding with the public service unions - I wonder if the poll takes into account if the 1000-ish people surveyed are aware of, and support the left-wing partisan agendas that most unions (specifically the inner circles of leadership, and not particularly the average unionized worker) maintain.
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    alphatrigger saidDocking them a day's pay for each day they are non-attending their scheduled sessions would be just.

    As for the folks siding with the public service unions - I wonder if the poll takes into account if the 1000-ish people surveyed are aware of, and support the left-wing partisan agendas that most unions (specifically the inner circles of leadership, and not particularly the average unionized worker) maintain.


    Which radical left-wing partisan agenda? Vacation days? Sick days? Retirement benefits? Educating the masses?
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    alphatrigger saidDocking them a day's pay for each day they are non-attending their scheduled sessions would be just.

    As for the folks siding with the public service unions - I wonder if the poll takes into account if the 1000-ish people surveyed are aware of, and support the left-wing partisan agendas that most unions (specifically the inner circles of leadership, and not particularly the average unionized worker) maintain.


    Which radical left-wing partisan agenda? Vacation days? Sick days? Retirement benefits? Educating the masses?


    Alphatrigger didn't bother to get edumacated, so he doesn't see why other people should.
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    Mar 02, 2011 10:33 PM GMT
    It is almost laughable to fine these guys $100 per day because we all know the various unions will pick up the tab for each Democratic Senator. What is surprising is that the governor has not used the tools he has at hand to bring this to a close.

    I must say I am amazed that Republicans have taken the governor's office and the house and senate in the Wisconsin legislature. Wisconsin is amazingly pro-union. I closed 14 plants there some 15 years ago because the plants had basically become "no win" in regards to ever turning a profit.

    Truly, the solution for Wisconsin is for unions to bankrupt the state and shutdown government there as we now know it.
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    Mar 02, 2011 10:39 PM GMT
    Oh, I gots me a whole great big heap o' edgy-macation.

    Thing is, having a pile of fancy letters from Ivy League colleges after one's name doesn't always mean that one is as smart as all-git out.

    Vacation days far in excess of the two weeks that the majority of US workers get (who often cannot take those two weeks in one solid shot)...?

    Retirement plans that bankrupt governments and ruin companies (unless they get a federal bailout with Chinese held debt) ...?

    Of course, I wasn't addressing these things... but rather the funding of Democratic Party pols and PACs with union money, and state employees bargaining for things well above fair market costs for their services.

    Among other things.
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    Mar 02, 2011 10:51 PM GMT
    conservativejock saidIt is almost laughable to fine these guys $100 per day because we all know the various unions will pick up the tab for each Democratic Senator. What is surprising is that the governor has not used the tools he has at hand to bring this to a close.

    I must say I am amazed that Republicans have taken the governor's office and the house and senate in the Wisconsin legislature. Wisconsin is amazingly pro-union. I closed 14 plants there some 15 years ago because the plants had basically become "no win" in regards to ever turning a profit.

    Truly, the solution for Wisconsin is for unions to bankrupt the state and shutdown government there as we now know it.


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    Mar 03, 2011 12:21 AM GMT
    alphatrigger saidOh, I gots me a whole great big heap o' edgy-macation.

    Thing is, having a pile of fancy letters from Ivy League colleges after one's name doesn't always mean that one is as smart as all-git out.

    Vacation days far in excess of the two weeks that the majority of US workers get (who often cannot take those two weeks in one solid shot)...?



    If I stick wih a job longer than most and thus have earned my way up to a longer vacation than two weeks well yay for me - I have worked for that. instead of resenting my work ethic, my not match it and earn a longer vacation by putting in the years too?

    It is the reward for years of service.
  • GQjock

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    Mar 03, 2011 1:31 AM GMT
    Ahhhh ..... the smell of GOP desperation

    Smells like mothballs icon_confused.gif

    One hundred dollars a day huh? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Oh and um .... there is a new republican bill being floated in the House
    To stop Prank Calls ..................

    I swear ... did these people fall off a truck?
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    Mar 04, 2011 3:07 AM GMT
    I don't think there will be much luck with government unions. They will remain. Unions in private companies are another story. They will just close the plant.

    Some years ago we opened a Cooper Industries plant in Christchurch that fomerly operated in Wisconsin USA. There were many closings as I recall of unionized facilities that spread across south Asia. We are lucky to host this facility.
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    Mar 04, 2011 3:22 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Caslon17000 saidOk, get ready for violence. Somebody's gonna get pissed and retaliate. Just wait for it.


    You mean above the union thugs and the you know actual violence by union supporters? These fines are the retaliation. I understand why they have to stand up for one of their largest financial backers, but there is something terribly odd to have one political party be effectively the sole beneficiary of a self interest group that depends on that political party. The people of Wisconsin had an election - that Democrats would circumvent that will - and that of a representative democracy, is one that will haunt the Democrats in the future.


    What a ridiculous, specious and hypocritical response. First, there has been no violence by Wisconsin protesters, unless you count the tape that O'Reilly tried to use with Palm Trees in it.

    Second, the unions are no more or less "the largest financial backers" or "sole beneficiary" of the Democrats than the Koch brothers are of the Republicans, except that the unions represent hundreds of thousands of people and not a constituency of two. In particular, Walker has plans to sell WI's energy holdings to the Kochs who are already advertising for positions in companies they have yet to buy.

    Third, yes, WI had an election but it wasn't a blow out, Walker never discussed eliminating collective bargaining during his campaign, and all polls show that the majority of Wisconsinites are against it. So if Walker wants to represent the people, he can end this bullshit, accept the union concessions and move on.


    Rep Capauno referenced getting "bloody"
    and another Rep within the chamber threatened another republican female representative and said "your f'ing dead".

    These are the elected officials.

    No condemnation from Krugman, NYTIMES or MSNBC. After what was said in January this shows what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

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    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Caslon17000 saidOk, get ready for violence. Somebody's gonna get pissed and retaliate. Just wait for it.


    You mean above the union thugs and the you know actual violence by union supporters? These fines are the retaliation. I understand why they have to stand up for one of their largest financial backers, but there is something terribly odd to have one political party be effectively the sole beneficiary of a self interest group that depends on that political party. The people of Wisconsin had an election - that Democrats would circumvent that will - and that of a representative democracy, is one that will haunt the Democrats in the future.


    What a ridiculous, specious and hypocritical response. First, there has been no violence by Wisconsin protesters, unless you count the tape that O'Reilly tried to use with Palm Trees in it.

    Second, the unions are no more or less "the largest financial backers" or "sole beneficiary" of the Democrats than the Koch brothers are of the Republicans, except that the unions represent hundreds of thousands of people and not a constituency of two. In particular, Walker has plans to sell WI's energy holdings to the Kochs who are already advertising for positions in companies they have yet to buy.

    Third, yes, WI had an election but it wasn't a blow out, Walker never discussed eliminating collective bargaining during his campaign, and all polls show that the majority of Wisconsinites are against it. So if Walker wants to represent the people, he can end this bullshit, accept the union concessions and move on.


    Rep Capauno referenced getting "bloody"
    and another Rep within the chamber threatened another republican female representative and said "your f'ing dead".

    These are the elected officials.

    No condemnation from Krugman, NYTIMES or MSNBC. After what was said in January this shows what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

    Uh.. just so everyone knows... this guy is a MASSACHUSETTS Representative..
    Secondly for musclehead here.. people get bloody doing hard work all the time.
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    TropicalMark said
    musclmed said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Caslon17000 saidOk, get ready for violence. Somebody's gonna get pissed and retaliate. Just wait for it.


    You mean above the union thugs and the you know actual violence by union supporters? These fines are the retaliation. I understand why they have to stand up for one of their largest financial backers, but there is something terribly odd to have one political party be effectively the sole beneficiary of a self interest group that depends on that political party. The people of Wisconsin had an election - that Democrats would circumvent that will - and that of a representative democracy, is one that will haunt the Democrats in the future.


    What a ridiculous, specious and hypocritical response. First, there has been no violence by Wisconsin protesters, unless you count the tape that O'Reilly tried to use with Palm Trees in it.

    Second, the unions are no more or less "the largest financial backers" or "sole beneficiary" of the Democrats than the Koch brothers are of the Republicans, except that the unions represent hundreds of thousands of people and not a constituency of two. In particular, Walker has plans to sell WI's energy holdings to the Kochs who are already advertising for positions in companies they have yet to buy.

    Third, yes, WI had an election but it wasn't a blow out, Walker never discussed eliminating collective bargaining during his campaign, and all polls show that the majority of Wisconsinites are against it. So if Walker wants to represent the people, he can end this bullshit, accept the union concessions and move on.


    Rep Capauno referenced getting "bloody"
    and another Rep within the chamber threatened another republican female representative and said "your f'ing dead".

    These are the elected officials.

    No condemnation from Krugman, NYTIMES or MSNBC. After what was said in January this shows what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

    Uh.. just so everyone knows... this guy is a MASSACHUSETTS Representative..
    Secondly for musclehead here.. people get bloody doing hard work all the time.


    Yes. This is obviously not a call for violence but a warning that the fight will be difficult and dangerous. Had he called for bloodying opponents or spilling blood or, I don't know, put cross-hairs over the Republican state senators, I'd be in agreement, but this a complete stretch.
  • musclmed

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    Mar 04, 2011 3:52 AM GMT
    Just so everyone knows.

    Capuano is a DEMOCRATIC member of congress from Massachussets.

    You would know that if the NY TIMES actually did a story on it. They did about 10 days on Palins's crosshairs.

    What about Rep. Gordon Hintz who within the Wisconsin Chamber said

    "Your F'ing Dead" to a female republican representative.

    Thats nothing?



    Hypocrites and name-callers can try all they want but they look pretty small now defending open thuggery.

    Apologists will parse words. But both representatives apologized, and according to the rules set in January , thats just like taking a Crosshairs image of a server... evidence of guilt.......

    Ripped from the pages of the Alinksky radical rulebook.

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    Mar 04, 2011 4:01 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidVery good! (Though it should have been $1000).


    Agreed
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    Mar 04, 2011 4:34 AM GMT
    musclmed saidJust so everyone knows.

    Capuano is a DEMOCRATIC member of congress from Massachussets.

    You would know that if the NY TIMES actually did a story on it. They did about 10 days on Palins's crosshairs.

    What about Rep. Gordon Hintz who within the Wisconsin Chamber said

    "Your F'ing Dead" to a female republican representative.

    Thats nothing?



    Hypocrites and name-callers can try all they want but they look pretty small now defending open thuggery.

    Apologists will parse words. But both representatives apologized, and according to the rules set in January , thats just like taking a Crosshairs image of a server... evidence of guilt.......

    Ripped from the pages of the Alinksky radical rulebook.



    You suffer from a complete inability to discern or use logic.

    You use words you don't understanding, including "thuggery", which does not mean what you're inferring it means.

    And I guarantee you're the only person on this site who's read "Rules for Radicals" or you're the only one parroting that particular Glenn Beck talking point.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 04, 2011 4:35 AM GMT
    I have only applause for the democratic senators. I hope the govenor has his ass handed to him at the next election

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