A Big Frackin' Deal: For The First Time, More Americans Support Marriage Equality Than Oppose It.

  • metta

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    Mar 03, 2011 9:31 AM GMT

    A Big Frackin' Deal: For The First Time, More Americans Support Marriage Equality Than Oppose It.


    http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/18775/a-big-frackin-deal-for-the-first-time-more-americans-support-marriage-equality-than-oppose-it
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    Mar 03, 2011 7:29 PM GMT
    If the Republicans jump on this before the Democrats do I'm going to have a stroke.
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    Mar 03, 2011 7:31 PM GMT
    One thing I notice about this poll is that this is a poll of adult Americans in general and not a poll or likely or registered voters. That can often be and usually is two very different things.
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    Mar 03, 2011 7:39 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidIf the Republicans jump on this before the Democrats do I'm going to have a stroke.




    So will the gay-hating base of the Republican party
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    Mar 03, 2011 7:57 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidIf the Republicans jump on this before the Democrats do I'm going to have a stroke.


    doubt they will...this doesn't fit in with their facist views on how the wealthy, white man ruler's world should be.
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    Mar 03, 2011 8:01 PM GMT
    rnch said
    mickeytopogigio saidIf the Republicans jump on this before the Democrats do I'm going to have a stroke.


    doubt they will...this doesn't fit in with their facist views on how the wealthy, white man ruler's world should be.


    Sorry, how do you feel about the wealthy and white Koch brothers who are strong supporters of gay marriage?
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    Mar 03, 2011 8:15 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    rnch said
    mickeytopogigio saidIf the Republicans jump on this before the Democrats do I'm going to have a stroke.


    doubt they will...this doesn't fit in with their facist views on how the wealthy, white man ruler's world should be.


    Sorry, how do you feel about the wealthy and white Koch brothers who are strong supporters of gay marriage?



    Interesting you'd bring that up, Riddler. For the longest time SOME conservatives here have screamed that gays are voting for libs because they only care about themselves (gay rights). Well, surprise surprise, if the person is a piece of shit many gays won't back him up, even if he is pro-gay marriage.

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    Mar 03, 2011 8:18 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    rnch said
    mickeytopogigio saidIf the Republicans jump on this before the Democrats do I'm going to have a stroke.


    doubt they will...this doesn't fit in with their facist views on how the wealthy, white man ruler's world should be.


    Sorry, how do you feel about the wealthy and white Koch brothers who are strong supporters of gay marriage?



    i think they should marry each other so that these GOP facists can never reproduce.
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    Mar 03, 2011 8:32 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    rnch said
    mickeytopogigio saidIf the Republicans jump on this before the Democrats do I'm going to have a stroke.


    doubt they will...this doesn't fit in with their facist views on how the wealthy, white man ruler's world should be.


    Sorry, how do you feel about the wealthy and white Koch brothers who are strong supporters of gay marriage?


    rnch is a purebred dimwit, plain and simple. He couldn't think outside of his ladygaga intercepted mind if his life depended on it.
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    Mar 03, 2011 9:47 PM GMT
    .... and already we've got the namecalling going icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 03, 2011 9:53 PM GMT
    judoguy said.... and already we've got the namecalling going icon_rolleyes.gif




    Why is it almost always mocktwinkie who's stinks up the forum threads with lame pointless UNPROVOKED personal attacks?
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    Mar 03, 2011 10:09 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    riddler78 said
    rnch said
    mickeytopogigio saidIf the Republicans jump on this before the Democrats do I'm going to have a stroke.


    doubt they will...this doesn't fit in with their facist views on how the wealthy, white man ruler's world should be.


    Sorry, how do you feel about the wealthy and white Koch brothers who are strong supporters of gay marriage?


    rnch is a purebred dimwit, plain and simple. He couldn't think outside of his ladygaga intercepted mind if his life depended on it.


    pretty mean girl (insert comma anywhere; they are all equally appropriate meanings.)



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    Mar 03, 2011 10:12 PM GMT
    ooooh yes let's turn it into a language thread. I like to play with synonyms:

    Liberal = openminded

    Conservative = narrowminded
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    Mar 03, 2011 10:15 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    judoguy said.... and already we've got the namecalling going icon_rolleyes.gif




    Why is it almost always mocktwinkie who's stinks up the forum threads with lame pointless UNPROVOKED personal attacks?

    Have you never watched Drag Race? The prettiest ones are always the biggest bitches.
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    (Can you not imagine mock making a good looking chick?)icon_cool.gif
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    Mar 03, 2011 10:27 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    riddler78 said
    rnch said
    mickeytopogigio saidIf the Republicans jump on this before the Democrats do I'm going to have a stroke.


    doubt they will...this doesn't fit in with their facist views on how the wealthy, white man ruler's world should be.


    Sorry, how do you feel about the wealthy and white Koch brothers who are strong supporters of gay marriage?


    rnch is a purebred dimwit, plain and simple. He couldn't think outside of his ladygaga intercepted mind if his life depended on it.



    Completely uncalled for, mocktwinkie.
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    Mar 03, 2011 10:52 PM GMT
    Upper_Canadian said
    rickrick91 said
    judoguy said.... and already we've got the namecalling going icon_rolleyes.gif




    Why is it almost always mocktwinkie who's stinks up the forum threads with lame pointless UNPROVOKED personal attacks?

    Have you never watched Drag Race? The prettiest ones are always the biggest bitches.
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    (Can you not imagine mock making a good looking chick?)icon_cool.gif




    LOL
    You're absolutely right.
    mocktwinkie's looks are the raw material for a pretty girl (drag version).
    And, I guess some people like that look.
  • metta

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    Mar 03, 2011 11:23 PM GMT


    Support for Gay Marriage Continues to Increase

    [quote]
    Pew Center for the People and the Press poll, completed 2/22-3/1/2011. The latest poll shows support at 45% and opposition at 46%, the narrowest margin in the history of Pew polling on the issue. Some polls by other pollsters have found support exceeding opposition but as the chart above shows, the trend estimates have converged by not quite reached equal levels of support and opposition. The consistency of the trends since 2005, however, all but guarantee support will exceed opposition within the year.
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-franklin/support-for-gay-marriage-_b_831011.html
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    Mar 04, 2011 12:25 AM GMT
    judoguy saidooooh yes let's turn it into a language thread. I like to play with synonyms:

    Liberal = openminded

    Conservative = narrowminded


    Or like this, new and improved with the power of alliteration:

    Liberal = sinister spendthrift socialist statist

    Conservative = frugal, freedom favoring friend

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    Mar 04, 2011 1:03 AM GMT
    alphatrigger said
    judoguy saidooooh yes let's turn it into a language thread. I like to play with synonyms:

    Liberal = openminded

    Conservative = narrowminded


    Or like this, new and improved with the power of alliteration:

    Liberal = sinister spendthrift socialist statist

    Conservative = frugal, freedom favoring friend

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    LOL some of those are antonyms, silly. or you put them next to the wrong word by mistake. Liberal basically means "freedom favoring".

    I thought conservative of lately meant: spending extravaganza on restricting personal freedom, and turning western democracies into police states in the name of "national security" or "war on terrorism"
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    Mar 04, 2011 2:28 AM GMT
    You are probably thinking of the Bush-era NeoConservatives, who are as you say, big government/big business war mongerers.

    Not really conservatives in any sense that Barry Goldwater would have been proud of.

    Old Right/Paleo-conservatives favor limited spending, lower taxes, greater individual liberty, very little (actually none) military interventionism, and sound money.

    Classic Liberals (in the sense of Thomas Jefferson) valued a good many of these principles as well).

    Modern Liberals tend to be heavily influenced by statism (the beliefthat an all-encompassing government that micro-manages everyone's lives from the cradle to the grave) and socialist dogma that "equalizes" everyone by disincentivizing hard work and ingenuity, and redistributes the rewards thereof to people who may not deserve it.

    So in a sense, the terms "conservative" and "liberal" have been reversed over a number of generations, from their original meanings.
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    Mar 04, 2011 4:38 AM GMT
    alphatrigger saidYou are probably thinking of the Bush-era NeoConservatives, who are as you say, big government/big business war mongerers.

    Not really conservatives in any sense that Barry Goldwater would have been proud of.

    Old Right/Paleo-conservatives favor limited spending, lower taxes, greater individual liberty, very little (actually none) military interventionism, and sound money.

    Classic Liberals (in the sense of Thomas Jefferson) valued a good many of these principles as well).

    Modern Liberals tend to be heavily influenced by statism (the beliefthat an all-encompassing government that micro-manages everyone's lives from the cradle to the grave) and socialist dogma that "equalizes" everyone by disincentivizing hard work and ingenuity, and redistributes the rewards thereof to people who may not deserve it.

    So in a sense, the terms "conservative" and "liberal" have been reversed over a number of generations, from their original meanings.




    Your definition of what the "modern liberal" believes is a bunch of phony ass right-wing talking points BS.
    Getting your info on what liberals believe FROM REPUBLICAN PROPAGANDIZERS - GUARANTEES that you'll get a deliberately distorted and false representation of what progressives ACTUALLY believe.

    You can drag out your lame "statism" and "socialist" right-wing BS catchphrases, and say that they're the things progressives believe - BUT IT AIN"T GONNA MAKE IT SO.

    It's no more legitimate than it would be for me to say that all Repubs are fascist Nazis.
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    alphatrigger saidYou are probably thinking of the Bush-era NeoConservatives, who are as you say, big government/big business war mongerers.

    Not really conservatives in any sense that Barry Goldwater would have been proud of.

    Old Right/Paleo-conservatives favor limited spending, lower taxes, greater individual liberty, very little (actually none) military interventionism, and sound money.

    Classic Liberals (in the sense of Thomas Jefferson) valued a good many of these principles as well).

    Modern Liberals tend to be heavily influenced by statism (the beliefthat an all-encompassing government that micro-manages everyone's lives from the cradle to the grave) and socialist dogma that "equalizes" everyone by disincentivizing hard work and ingenuity, and redistributes the rewards thereof to people who may not deserve it.

    So in a sense, the terms "conservative" and "liberal" have been reversed over a number of generations, from their original meanings.




    Your definition of what the "modern liberal" believes is a bunch of phony ass right-wing talking points BS.
    Getting your info on what liberals believe FROM REPUBLICAN PROPAGANDIZERS - GUARANTEES that you'll get a deliberately distorted and false representation of what progressives ACTUALLY believe.

    You can drag out your lame "statism" and "socialist" right-wing BS catchphrases, and say that they're the things progressives believe - BUT IT AIN"T GONNA MAKE IT SO.

    It's no more legitimate than it would be for me to say that all Repubs are fascist Nazis.


    yes rickrick, it wouldn't be fair to say that at all... I'm sure that at least half of all republicans aren't fascist nazis
  • Anto

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    Mar 06, 2011 7:55 PM GMT
    What I don't like about the mass majority supporting gay marriage is that if that is how gay marriage happens then it's not a real victory for human rights. Gay marriage should happen because the principal of equality and how our system handles it makes it happen despite popular opinion otherwise it's just an empty 'win' for human rights.
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    Mar 06, 2011 8:00 PM GMT
    It's really not that important. In about 100 years nobody will get married anymore. It's a dying institution.
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    Mar 06, 2011 8:51 PM GMT
    ^
    marriages will still continue. They will probably be less religious. People will still fall in love. People will still want to make a commit and have their friends and family share in their happiness. And even if it is a minority of people, for some people, marriage works for them.

    Not to mention, there is still the legal benefits of being married.