New York Governor Cuomo Seeks Speedy Change in Teacher Evaluations

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    Mar 03, 2011 8:26 PM GMT
    Wisconsin has been convenient cover for other governors. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/02/nyregion/02teacher.html?
    “It is time to move beyond the so-called last in, first out system of relying exclusively on seniority,” Mr. Cuomo said in a statement. “However, we need a legitimate evaluation system to rely upon.”

    Mr. Cuomo’s budget would cut projected state funding to New York City schools by $1.4 billion, a reduction that Mr. Bloomberg has said would force him to lay off 4,600 teachers in order to balance the schools budget. Mr. Bloomberg reacted coolly to Mr. Cuomo’s proposal, saying the city needed more leeway now in determining who is laid off.
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    Mar 03, 2011 9:04 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidWisconsin has been convenient cover for other governors. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/02/nyregion/02teacher.html?
    “It is time to move beyond the so-called last in, first out system of relying exclusively on seniority,” Mr. Cuomo said in a statement. “However, we need a legitimate evaluation system to rely upon.”

    Mr. Cuomo’s budget would cut projected state funding to New York City schools by $1.4 billion, a reduction that Mr. Bloomberg has said would force him to lay off 4,600 teachers in order to balance the schools budget. Mr. Bloomberg reacted coolly to Mr. Cuomo’s proposal, saying the city needed more leeway now in determining who is laid off.


    I agree with getting rid of first in, first out. Milwaukee Public Schools were forced to let go a number of promising young teachers who went through extensive training and mentorship to teach in our challenging urban school system.
    There are so many areas in which both sides can bring about change during the collective bargaining process.
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    Mar 03, 2011 10:26 PM GMT
    We do need a legitimate evaluation system but thus far none has been found. Even the Gates Foundation, which has poured tens of millions into it, hasn't come up with something scalable to city or state-wide education systems.
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    Christian73 saidWe do need a legitimate evaluation system but thus far none has been found. Even the Gates Foundation, which has poured tens of millions into it, hasn't come up with something scalable to city or state-wide education systems.


    And that's the supposed excuse to keep the status quo. This also presumes that any alternative isn't better than rewarding people for time served versus any other objective measure.
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    Mar 04, 2011 2:52 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidWe do need a legitimate evaluation system but thus far none has been found. Even the Gates Foundation, which has poured tens of millions into it, hasn't come up with something scalable to city or state-wide education systems.


    And that's the supposed excuse to keep the status quo. This also presumes that any alternative isn't better than rewarding people for time served versus any other objective measure.


    Yes. I'm sure Bill Gates wasted tens of millions to maintain the status quo.

    There are myriad issues to developing a fair and effective form of evaluation for teachers: socioeconomics of particular student populations, grades versus tests versus "significant gains" versus evaluation, lack of ongoing professional development, lack of clear rubrics across state and city boards of education, lack of administrative staff to properly train, manage and evaluate the teachers, etc.

    I think it's worthwhile and important but no one has figured it out yet. And the ones who have come closest are the result of unions and the municipality working together, not one demonizing the other.
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    Mar 04, 2011 2:56 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidWisconsin has been convenient cover for other governors. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/02/nyregion/02teacher.html?
    “It is time to move beyond the so-called last in, first out system of relying exclusively on seniority,” Mr. Cuomo said in a statement. “However, we need a legitimate evaluation system to rely upon.”

    Mr. Cuomo’s budget would cut projected state funding to New York City schools by $1.4 billion, a reduction that Mr. Bloomberg has said would force him to lay off 4,600 teachers in order to balance the schools budget. Mr. Bloomberg reacted coolly to Mr. Cuomo’s proposal, saying the city needed more leeway now in determining who is laid off.

    We could use a legitmate evaluation system for the chairpersons of congressional committees, too, instead of their seniority system. .... icon_wink.gif ... That is one of our govt's greatest flaws, IMHO.