Student athlete suspended for sex

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    Mar 04, 2011 7:30 PM GMT
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12652669


    Student basketball star suspended for pre-marital sex

    Mr Davies was a star player on the school's successful basketball team
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    A university in the US state of Utah has suspended a star basketball player for having pre-marital sex with his girlfriend in violation of the school's strict "honour code".

    Brandon Davies was dropped after admitting the transgression to staff at Brigham Young University (BYU).

    His team, ranked 3rd in the nation in college basketball, went on to lose against an unranked team on Wednesday.

    The BYU honour code requires students to be "chaste and virtuous".

    BYU officials have defended the decision after the news was first reported by the Salt Lake Tribune, saying that students are fully aware of the rigorous code, and often choose the school because of it.

    "We live this. This is who we are," said Tom Holmoe, BYU athletic director.

    The Utah-based university is run by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, also known as the Mormon church. All students agree to abide by the honour code, which reflects Mormon values.

    The code includes prohibitions on drinking, smoking, drugs, tea, coffee, swearing and sex, as well as a commitment regularly to attend church.

    Mr Davies suspension has garnered headlines across the country because it comes at the beginning of the prestigious NCAA tournament - a nationwide contest for university teams, often called "March Madness".

    The BYU team, the Cougars, were set to enter as first seed.

    Mr Davies has reportedly apologised to his teammates.

    In America, honour codes are mostly associated with military academies, but a number of universities, including the University of Virginia and Princeton, also enforce them.


    Here's his apology http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/cougars/51348870-88/davies-byu-team-wednesday.html.csp
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    Mar 04, 2011 9:22 PM GMT
    Does the honor code allow for masterbation? Cause that would get really hellish if you couldnt jack off or fuck.
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    Mar 04, 2011 9:29 PM GMT
    Only in the US. Can you get any more demented than this? icon_sad.gif
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    Mar 05, 2011 5:03 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidOnly in the US. Can you get any more demented than this? icon_sad.gif


    actully in a lot more countries than you think icon_wink.gif


    I was surprised the US catered to this level of stupidity
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    Mar 05, 2011 5:07 AM GMT
    Why am I not surprised it's BYU..
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    Mar 05, 2011 5:12 AM GMT
    The students chose a school with an honor code that applied to things including sexual activity.
    A student broke said honor code.
    The school is enforcing it, even though it hurts their standing in a basketball tournament.

    Sounds to me like the school is doing the honorable and proper thing. You may think the code is silly, but that was the students' choice when they joined. Consenting adults and all that jazz... remember?
    Anyway, good on BYU for not protecting it's star athlete like most schools would.
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    Mar 05, 2011 5:18 AM GMT
    I went to Grad School there. If you don't like it you don't go. No one is forced to go. In the the time I was there I never felt judged or threatened. The enforcement at best is low key. I am proud of my alma mater and have donated money to the school because of this.
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    Mar 05, 2011 5:25 AM GMT
    Metamorphosis saidhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12652669
    The code includes prohibitions on drinking, smoking, drugs, tea, coffee, swearing and sex, as well as a commitment regularly to attend church.


    ...

    Well... shit. I couldn't survive 3 days at BYU. Luckily they're probably going to be kicked out of the tournament.
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    Mar 05, 2011 5:28 AM GMT
    at least he scored! get it? har har icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 05, 2011 5:33 AM GMT
    Metamorphosis said
    Art_Deco saidOnly in the US. Can you get any more demented than this? icon_sad.gif


    actully in a lot more countries than you think icon_wink.gif


    I was surprised the US catered to this level of stupidity


    BYU is a Mormon school, so for them this is a cultural thing.
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    Mar 05, 2011 5:34 AM GMT
    The one aspect of living in Utah that I don't like....quite the crowd running around.
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    Mar 05, 2011 6:15 AM GMT
    neosyllogy saidThe students chose a school with an honor code that applied to things including sexual activity.
    A student broke said honor code.
    The school is enforcing it, even though it hurts their standing in a basketball tournament.

    Sounds to me like the school is doing the honorable and proper thing. You may think the code is silly, but that was the students' choice when they joined. Consenting adults and all that jazz... remember?
    Anyway, good on BYU for not protecting it's star athlete like most schools would.


    I agree. This is a private school that explicitly requires students to adhere to an honor code of conduct in line with LDS doctrine. Regardless of whether people agree with the code, the school is clear about its expectations. Every student knows what he or she is getting into and the potential consequences from deviating from the honor code. There is no element of coercion present as a means of enrollment.

    While I don't have a problem with a private religious institution setting up a code of conduct condemning sexual contact, I am conflicted about a religious institution's stance on LGTB issues. This got me curious enough to look at BYU's code regarding homosexual behavior. This is what I found:

    "Brigham Young University will respond to homosexual behavior rather than to feelings or orientation and welcomes as full members of the university community all whose behavior meets university standards. One's stated sexual orientation is not an Honor Code issue. However, the Honor Code requires all members of the university community to manifest a strict commitment to the law of chastity."

    Seems fair enough. Although it should be noted that the school's policy is implicitly discriminatory against homosexual students in the sense that heterosexuals can engage in sexual conduct so long as they are married, while heterosexual singles and all homosexuals, regardless of marital status, must remain chaste.

    In any event, I doubt that a great number of BYU students are shying away from sexual relations just because there is a code against such conduct. Sexual conduct is likely more secretive, but a part of everyday life at BYU nevertheless.

    Stating that the policy condemning extramarital sex is stupid, backward, or whatever is just as narrow-minded as righteous religious people condemning homosexual sex because they think it is sinful.
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    Mar 05, 2011 7:45 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidOnly in the US. Can you get any more demented than this? icon_sad.gif


    You don't really evaluate many of the religious and social rules around the world do you?
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    Mar 05, 2011 7:56 PM GMT
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    hard
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    Mar 05, 2011 8:00 PM GMT
    As strange as it is that I would go along with anything a religious/cult does.....(Oh, by the way? Not referring to the mormons as a cult by itself. ALL religions are cults for the weak minded)....I do have to agree with their suspending this dolt. He knew the rules, and he chose to break them.
    Now do I agree with their rules? No.
    However, he knew the rule and the penalty for breaking said rule.
    Serves him right for being bloody stupid enough to attend this cult institution.
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    Mar 05, 2011 8:01 PM GMT
    tyler_helm saidThe enforcement at best is low key. I am proud of my alma mater and have donated money to the school because of this.

    Low key? The guy got booted off the team. I'll bet you don't have the balls to tell any of your former classmates that you're gay at class reunions, do you? What a self-loathing hypocrite! Claim to be gay here, just don't admit it there. icon_razz.gif
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    Mar 05, 2011 8:03 PM GMT
    "The code includes prohibitions on drinking, smoking, drugs, tea, coffee, swearing and sex"

    What do they do all day???

    In the words of Chef from South Park 'There is a time and place for everything. And that is college'
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    Musclequest saidAs strange as it is that I would go along with anything a religious/cult does.....(Oh, by the way? Not referring to the mormons as a cult by itself. ALL religions are cults for the weak minded)....I do have to agree with their suspending this dolt. He knew the rules, and he chose to break them.
    Now do I agree with their rules? No.
    However, he knew the rule and the penalty for breaking said rule.
    Serves him right for being bloody stupid enough to attend this cult institution.
    Cheers,
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    And just like that, a chuckle brought to me by lil' ole Keith. I forgot he was still on here. Somehow, even when he's right, he still manages to fumble up his train of thought by inserting a gauche comment here and there. I find his slightly militant nature quite entertaining. icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 05, 2011 8:16 PM GMT
    He knew the rules going into a private university owned by the LDS Church. So it might be stupid rule put into place, he should have followed the rule or not attended that university.

    He had a choice either way.
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    Mar 05, 2011 8:22 PM GMT
    He's just paying the consequences for his decision. No big deal. If you don't like those rules don't attend school there.
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    Mar 05, 2011 9:35 PM GMT
    It's BYU, so what do you expect.

    They had sex outside of marriage, which is a big no-no to the Mor(m)ons. Brandon is 20, and I'll guess that his girlfriend is around 20 as well. She's practically an old maid in Provo.

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    Mar 05, 2011 9:42 PM GMT
    Yeah, as crappy as it is, it was the athlete's decision to go to that school and have the honour code enforced upon him. It's his fault and only his fault.
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    Mar 05, 2011 9:44 PM GMT
    criduchat saidWhy am I not surprised it's BYU..
    Bingo!
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    tyler_helm saidI went to Grad School there. If you don't like it you don't go. No one is forced to go. In the the time I was there I never felt judged or threatened. The enforcement at best is low key. I am proud of my alma mater and have donated money to the school because of this.
    Thats because they didnt know you hung out on gay sites.. woulda been a much different story had you been truthful about yourself! Or got caught! hmmmmm