Cutting Phase - Late night protein OR going to bed fasted - what has worked best for you?

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    Mar 06, 2011 1:26 AM GMT
    So I recently gained a little over 10 pounds because I wanted to put on some additional mass. I estimate some of it is water weight because I was using creatine, some of it is fat and at least a few pounds is muscle. Now I want to start cutting the fat I put on. Actually, I'd like to cut even more and get leaner than I was when I started. I don't plan on turning my life upside down to do it but I figure a little more cardio and cleaning up the eating should help me shed 8 - 10 pounds over the next several weeks.

    Here's the thing. I don't want to lose any of the muscle I put on - or at least keep the loss to a minimum. I've come across conflicting information as to whether to go to sleep in a fasted state. Some sources say to stop all eating at least 3 hours before bed so the body will burn fat through the night. Other sources say that in order to preserve muscle when trying to burn fat, it's critical to keep protein levels up.

    I typically have some cottage cheese or some turkey right before going to bed but wonder if going to sleep in a fasted state might work better.

    What has worked for y'all?
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    Mar 06, 2011 9:35 PM GMT
    three words:

    slow carb diet

    if you are hardcore then just two

    paleo diet

    I lost at least 2kg in 3 weeks and I dontĀ“have that much to lose.
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    Mar 06, 2011 9:40 PM GMT
    Lostboy saidthree words:

    slow carb diet

    if you are hardcore then just two

    paleo diet

    I lost at least 2kg in 3 weeks and I dontĀ“have that much to lose.


    Yup, I'm trying to minimize simple carbs in favor of protein and complex carbs. But when you lost the weight, did you go to bed in a fasted state?
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    Mar 06, 2011 9:41 PM GMT
    im interested in this as well.. as you ive found this to be very conflicting!
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    Mar 06, 2011 9:45 PM GMT
    I think its best to eat some lean source of protein before bed. It isn't good for your body to go that long without fuel. The best thing to me is fat free cottage cheese. Its very healthy and fairly high in slow-digesting protein so it can fuel your body while you sleep.
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    Mar 06, 2011 9:55 PM GMT
    KSUOWL saidI think its best to eat some lean source of protein before bed. It isn't good for your body to go that long without fuel. The best thing to me is fat free cottage cheese. Its very healthy and fairly high in slow-digesting protein so it can fuel your body while you sleep.


    That's what I've done in the past. I recently read about not eating for at least three hours before going to sleep so the body can burn fat while you sleep. In theory, it seems to make sense. But I was wondering about whether anyone experienced a problem with it leading to muscle catabolism. Or, conversely, whether anyone out there has had good results with it.
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    Mar 06, 2011 10:01 PM GMT
    just watch on you eat man. a lean build depends almost solely on what you put into your body.
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    Mar 06, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
    i never go to bed hungry. when you do this it sends your body into a catabolic state which is not good for muscle growth.
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    Mar 06, 2011 10:21 PM GMT
    casein protein before going to bed -- fat-free/low-fat cottage cheese is the best source.
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    Mar 07, 2011 12:41 AM GMT
    sashaman said
    KSUOWL saidI think its best to eat some lean source of protein before bed. It isn't good for your body to go that long without fuel. The best thing to me is fat free cottage cheese. Its very healthy and fairly high in slow-digesting protein so it can fuel your body while you sleep.


    That's what I've done in the past. I recently read about not eating for at least three hours before going to sleep so the body can burn fat while you sleep. In theory, it seems to make sense. But I was wondering about whether anyone experienced a problem with it leading to muscle catabolism. Or, conversely, whether anyone out there has had good results with it.


    You may burn fat that way but you will also burn muscle. Going for a while without food is not good if you are trying to keep as much muscle as possible. If you watch what you eat you will lose fat. You don't need to starve yourself before bed to lose fat. Besides, how is a cup of fat free cottage cheese before bed going to stop you from burning fat? Doesn't make sense if you think about it.
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    Mar 07, 2011 5:10 AM GMT
    i cant get myself to eat cottage cheese, ive expanded my palette to many more veggies, i just cant get myself to eat cottage cheese lol.
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    Mar 07, 2011 11:08 AM GMT
    KSUOWL said
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    KSUOWL saidI think its best to eat some lean source of protein before bed. It isn't good for your body to go that long without fuel. The best thing to me is fat free cottage cheese. Its very healthy and fairly high in slow-digesting protein so it can fuel your body while you sleep.


    That's what I've done in the past. I recently read about not eating for at least three hours before going to sleep so the body can burn fat while you sleep. In theory, it seems to make sense. But I was wondering about whether anyone experienced a problem with it leading to muscle catabolism. Or, conversely, whether anyone out there has had good results with it.


    You may burn fat that way but you will also burn muscle. Going for a while without food is not good if you are trying to keep as much muscle as possible. If you watch what you eat you will lose fat. You don't need to starve yourself before bed to lose fat. Besides, how is a cup of fat free cottage cheese before bed going to stop you from burning fat? Doesn't make sense if you think about it.


    This approach seems to make more sense if part of the goal is to preserve muscle rather than simply trying to lose the maximum amount of weight possible without any concern as to whether part of the lose is from muscle. Guess I'll stick with the right before bed eating for now.
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    Mar 07, 2011 11:10 AM GMT
    sublstyley saidi cant get myself to eat cottage cheese, ive expanded my palette to many more veggies, i just cant get myself to eat cottage cheese lol.


    Have to admit that cottage cheese can taste pretty bland. I often sprinkle lemon pepper of Italian seasoning on it. Worth trying to see if it makes it a little bit more palatable.
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    Mar 07, 2011 11:34 AM GMT
    sashaman said
    sublstyley saidi cant get myself to eat cottage cheese, ive expanded my palette to many more veggies, i just cant get myself to eat cottage cheese lol.


    Have to admit that cottage cheese can taste pretty bland. I often sprinkle lemon pepper of Italian seasoning on it. Worth trying to see if it makes it a little bit more palatable.



    Cottage cheese really is the best because of the type of protein (Casein) it contains. It's slower to process through your body which is what you want during that fast through the night. If you are tired of cottage cheese try a shake made with Casein protein powder.

    But definitely, whether bulking or cutting, it's always better to get that protein right before you sleep.