Jan Brewer, We Hardly Knew Ye

  • creature

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    Mar 07, 2011 4:04 AM GMT
    There is a recall effort to get Arizona Governor Jan Brewer ousted from her position. Not surprisingly the grassroot effort is bipartisan. According to the article, it was initiated by a Republican woman from Chandler, Arizona. The group's discontent for Brewer, amongst other things, is how she has been handling health care and education.

    432,000 signatures will need to be collected by the end of May for a recall election.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/06/jan-brewer-recall_n_832003.html

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    Mar 07, 2011 4:21 AM GMT
    creature saidThere is a recall effort to get Arizona Governor Jan Brewer ousted from her position. Not surprisingly the grassroot effort is bipartisan. According to the article, it was initiated by a Republican woman from Chandler, Arizona. The group's discontent for Brewer, amongst other things, is how she has been handling health care and education.

    432,000 signatures will need to be collected by the end of May for a recall election.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/06/jan-brewer-recall_n_832003.html

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    Ahem, From the same article: "To be clear, it would seem that those seeking to recall Brewer face unlikely odds at accomplishing their goal. Many in Arizona have stood behind Brewer and the issues and positions she has undertaken."
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    Mar 07, 2011 4:45 AM GMT
    There is no challenge too big for the will of the American people.
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    Mar 07, 2011 4:49 AM GMT
    creature saidThere is no challenge too big for the will of the American people.


    Except the will of the American people apparently in this case is in agreement with Jan Brewer. So really, you're just conflating your will with that of the American people. Fail. ;)
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    Mar 07, 2011 4:52 AM GMT
    I'm aware that she can win again. I'm just glad to see the people of Arizona exercising their right to force a recall election. It's a matter of principle.
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    Mar 07, 2011 5:05 AM GMT
    Riddler, apparently the effort is bipartison, which should, I think, relate rather well to libertarians, who are particularly fond of neither party in their extremes.

    It is also their right, (whether or not you like it) and so well done.

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    Mar 07, 2011 5:17 AM GMT
    meninlove said Riddler, apparently the effort is bipartison, which should, I think, relate rather well to libertarians, who are particularly fond of neither party in their extremes.

    It is also their right, (whether or not you like it) and so well done.



    It is their right, but I think both the OP and the initial enthusiasm as listed in the article is overdone and as the article itself points out, hardly a forgone conclusion that they can even get those signatures given her current support and the support she received in November. Just because something is bipartisan doesn't make it interesting, right or appealing to libertarians - and I'm a bit surprised how anyone might think that?
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    Mar 07, 2011 5:19 AM GMT
    Riddler, it's called optimism and every business advocates it in their work environments. Can you relate to it that way?

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    Mar 07, 2011 5:26 AM GMT
    meninlove said Riddler, it's called optimism and every business advocates it in their work environments. Can you relate to it that way?



    I still fail to see why something that appears bipartisan (and it's not clear that it is in any way - just because an article in HuffPo says it is), is libertarian in any way. I don't think it matters too much though Jan Brewer came to forefront given her stance on the lack of immigration enforcement by the US federal government - and it's an issue for which she is known nationally for.

    It is sort of bizarre that you think I should relate to it in any way - arguably you could say that supporting her is equally optimistic and "every business advocates it in their work environment" so you shouldn't support the recall effort. Anyway, it seems odd to me.
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    Mar 07, 2011 5:57 AM GMT
    I do very much support this recall effort; it's the right of US citizens to do, and part of the checks and balances I believe are intrinsic to their way of running things. At the very least, public attention will make her self examine some of the directions she's going, like the religious thing.

    -Doug
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    Mar 07, 2011 10:38 AM GMT
    Hmm ... seems to me the recall efforts across the country are gathering up some steam

    Oh and Ummm ,,, btw
    How many months is it that we had a nutcase grab a gun ... legally grab a gun and mow down a crowd of people including a sitting congresswoman ?

    How many months?

    Arizona just made a resolution adopting a State Gun icon_confused.gif

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    Mar 07, 2011 10:56 AM GMT
    meninlove said I do very much support this recall effort; it's the right of US citizens to do, and part of the checks and balances I believe are intrinsic to their way of running things. At the very least, public attention will make her self examine some of the directions she's going, like the religious thing.

    -Doug

    I think all of us can be very thankful that Doug supports this exercise in democracy.

    From the article, the only reference I saw of a bipartisan effort was: A Chandler woman, who is a Republican, launched the grassroots effort in January. Even the left wing source in the link did not use that term. Based on the information in the link and what I could find searching, calling this bipartisan is a gross distortion.

    One thing the source does correctly state is: To be clear, it would seem that those seeking to recall Brewer face unlikely odds at accomplishing their goal. Many in Arizona have stood behind Brewer and the issues and positions she has undertaken.

    Riddler is absolutely spot on with his reaction.
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    Mar 07, 2011 12:12 PM GMT
    Kind of funny how a handful of non-Arizonans and a couple of Canadians are discussing the governor of my state of AZ. Jan Brewer has nothing to worry about---I live here--
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    Mar 07, 2011 12:15 PM GMT
    Bipartisan - Schmartisan

    It isn't WHO started the process

    ... it's that the process has started AT ALL

    America has seen republican leadership .... and are waking up to collectively say - WTF????
    who signed up for this crap ?
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    Mar 07, 2011 12:24 PM GMT
    deanaane saidKind of funny how a handful of non-Arizonans and a couple of Canadians are discussing the governor of my state of AZ. Jan Brewer has nothing to worry about---I live here--

    But one other Canadian who I don't think you referred to (Riddler) does make sense.
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    Mar 07, 2011 1:28 PM GMT
    jprichva saidIt may not succeed, but it doesn't matter. What matters is that, like the recalls already launched in Wisconsin, we're starting to see a mass nationwide wave of buyer's remorse, and I expect there will be more and more of these started in every state that permits recalls. Sadly, our state has no mechanism for removing the felon who runs our government until the next election.

    Time will tell if the recalls represent any significant buyer's remorse or, instead, futile actions of an frustrated and angry activist minority. With none of us having crystal balls, much assessment will be wishful thinking. To me the biggest poll was the November elections, and while there have been various polls going up and down on various officeholders and various positions, I don't see anything that profoundly changes the public since November.
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    Mar 07, 2011 2:45 PM GMT
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    deanaane saidKind of funny how a handful of non-Arizonans and a couple of Canadians are discussing the governor of my state of AZ. Jan Brewer has nothing to worry about---I live here--

    But one other Canadian who I don't think you referred to (Riddler) does make sense.


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    Mar 07, 2011 2:51 PM GMT
    creature saidThere is a recall effort to get Arizona Governor Jan Brewer ousted from her position. Not surprisingly the grassroot effort is bipartisan. According to the article, it was initiated by a Republican woman from Chandler, Arizona. The group's discontent for Brewer, amongst other things, is how she has been handling health care and education.

    432,000 signatures will need to be collected by the end of May for a recall election.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/06/jan-brewer-recall_n_832003.html

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    Not gonna happen, though it does make for interesting news fodder. Jan Brewer was elected by an overwhelming majority. She is very popular here in AZ. Of course, like any popular political figure, not everybody supports her. Make no mistake about it, "The American People", or in this case "The Arizona People" overwhelmingly support Governor Brewer. Sure, there is a group of loud sore losers attempting some half-baked recall that will never materialize into anything, but it's their right. NEXT! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 07, 2011 3:11 PM GMT
    Hmmm...interesting responses regarding, er, me.

    We recently had a recall attempt in our Province - Ida Chong. Did it happen? Nope. But what it did do was make the party in power (voted in with overwhelming majority) take a good hard look in the mirror. Sneer all you like, but it was effective.

    Back to the recall effort down there:

    Sneer at them as you would like to be sneered at.

    -Doug
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    Mar 07, 2011 4:13 PM GMT
    For the most part, the US is a centre right nation.

    We have a large number of Independents who will generally chafe at moves to far to either the right or the left, which is why we haven't completely gone over to the European Democratic Socialist model, nor are we likely to become a Christian Theonomist government.

    More like shades of stuff in the middle.
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    Mar 07, 2011 4:19 PM GMT
    deanaane saidKind of funny how a handful of non-Arizonans and a couple of Canadians are discussing the governor of my state of AZ. Jan Brewer has nothing to worry about---I live here--


    Does it matter if I'm not from Arizona? I'm aware of Brewer's negligence and I'm glad that there is a recall effort. Does this mean you will no longer participate in political threads that are not about your state? I have seen you commenting on what's happening in Wisconsin. Funny.
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    Mar 07, 2011 4:35 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    jprichva saidIt may not succeed, but it doesn't matter. What matters is that, like the recalls already launched in Wisconsin, we're starting to see a mass nationwide wave of buyer's remorse, and I expect there will be more and more of these started in every state that permits recalls. Sadly, our state has no mechanism for removing the felon who runs our government until the next election.

    Time will tell if the recalls represent any significant buyer's remorse or, instead, futile actions of an frustrated and angry activist minority. With none of us having crystal balls, much assessment will be wishful thinking. To me the biggest poll was the November elections, and while there have been various polls going up and down on various officeholders and various positions, I don't see anything that profoundly changes the public since November.


    Since November, this is what Jan Brewer has proposed on cutting. She did so on January 14, 2011:

    •$541 million from voter-protected health care for working families;
    •$300 million+ more from education while spending money on corporate (not public) schools;
    •$60 million in additional homeowner property taxes.

    http://recallgovernorbrewer.com/index_2.htm
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    Mar 07, 2011 5:25 PM GMT
    Quoth the creature:•$60 million in additional homeowner property taxes.


    Interesting ... considering that the loud battlecry for liberals is to tax the rich.

    Property taxes typically target wealthier homes.