Scientist Imam threatened over Darwinist views

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    Mar 07, 2011 4:31 AM GMT
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/scientist-imam-threatened-over-darwinist-views-2232952.html

    A prominent British imam has been forced to retract his claims that Islam is compatible with Darwin's theory of evolution after receiving death threats from fundamentalists.

    Dr Usama Hasan, a physics lecturer at Middlesex University and a fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society, was intending yesterday to return to Masjid al-Tawhid, a mosque in Leyton, East London, for the first time since he delivered a lecture there entitled "Islam and the theory of evolution".

    But according to his sister, police advised him not to attend after becoming concerned for his safety. Instead his father, Suhaib, head of the mosque's committee of trustees, posted a notice on his behalf expressing regret over his comments. "I seek Allah's forgiveness for my mistakes and apologise for any offence caused," the statement read.

    The campaign is part of a growing movement by a small but vocal group of largely Saudi-influenced orthodox Muslims who use evolution as a way of discrediting imams whom they deem to be overly progressive or "western orientated".
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    Mar 07, 2011 2:24 PM GMT
    I did not know Islam had any problem with evolution.
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    Mar 07, 2011 2:31 PM GMT
    and this is surprising because?
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    Gads, just like some fundie christians. I usually ask if they think god is so weak and limited that god couldn't invent/create evolution. That usually makes them pause. Then I suggest that judging and limiting god's capabilities is probably not the wisest or worshipful thing to do.

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    Mar 07, 2011 8:07 PM GMT
    The difference is that Christians would not issue bomb threats in cases like these.
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    Mar 07, 2011 8:12 PM GMT
    Andreas73 saidThe difference is that Christians would not issue bomb threats in cases like these.


    I wouldn't be surprised
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    Mar 07, 2011 8:54 PM GMT
    Andreas73 saidThe difference is that Christians would not issue bomb threats in cases like these.


    ^gross overstatement
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    Mar 08, 2011 12:11 AM GMT
    ewe_nik said
    Andreas73 saidThe difference is that Christians would not issue bomb threats in cases like these.


    ^gross overstatement
    Agreed!
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    Mar 08, 2011 12:12 AM GMT
    Andreas73 saidThe difference is that Christians would not issue bomb threats in cases like these.


    That's dead on.
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    Mar 08, 2011 12:34 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    Andreas73 saidThe difference is that Christians would not issue bomb threats in cases like these.


    That's dead on.


    Dead wrong.

    GREENSBORO — A federal judge sentenced a former Rowan County resident to 30 months in prison for giving bomb-making instructions to an FBI informant who said he planned to attack an abortion clinic
    http://www.salisburypost.com/News/030211-moose-sentencing-today-qcd


    •Eric Rudolph, who was motivated by his Catholicism to end the “abortion holocaust,” bombed the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, several abortion clinics, and a gay/lesbian club in Atlanta.
    http://www.alvinsun.net/articles/2011/02/23/opinion/editorials/doc4d6553c50b82d771919331.txt

    A chronology of abortion related arsons and bombings follows.
    http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/violence/arsons.asp
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    Mar 08, 2011 12:44 AM GMT
    crownroyal117 said
    mocktwinkie said
    Andreas73 saidThe difference is that Christians would not issue bomb threats in cases like these.


    That's dead on.


    Dead wrong.


    http://www.salisburypost.com/News/030211-moose-sentencing-today-qcd

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-03-02/news/os-orange-county-jury-leaflets-20110302_1_aclu-appeals-appeals-court-leaflets

    http://www.alvinsun.net/articles/2011/02/23/opinion/editorials/doc4d6553c50b82d771919331.txt



    Don't be ridiculous, you know very well he's not referring to potentially independent insane religious extremists acting on their own in the name of any religion -- including christianity. He's talking about a concerted fundamentalist effort at large -- If you haven't noticed, blowing people up considered to be heretics is very mainstream within huge sections of the muslim population.

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    Mar 08, 2011 12:54 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    crownroyal117 said
    mocktwinkie said
    Andreas73 saidThe difference is that Christians would not issue bomb threats in cases like these.


    That's dead on.


    Dead wrong.


    http://www.salisburypost.com/News/030211-moose-sentencing-today-qcd

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-03-02/news/os-orange-county-jury-leaflets-20110302_1_aclu-appeals-appeals-court-leaflets

    http://www.alvinsun.net/articles/2011/02/23/opinion/editorials/doc4d6553c50b82d771919331.txt



    Don't be ridiculous, you know very well he's not referring to potentially independent insane religious extremists acting on their own in the name of any religion -- including christianity. He's talking about a concerted fundamentalist effort at large -- If you haven't noticed, blowing people up considered to be heretics is very mainstream within huge sections of the muslim population.


    ...And this threat was issued by Islamic fundamentalists acting on their own. Islam has no central authority who issued this threat, nor is it a concerted effort.



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    Mar 08, 2011 12:57 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidDon't be ridiculous, you know very well he's not referring to potentially independent insane religious extremists acting on their own in the name of any religion -- including christianity. He's talking about a concerted fundamentalist effort at large -- If you haven't noticed, blowing people up considered to be heretics is very mainstream within huge sections of the muslim population.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KKK

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill

    Lest we forget the Spanish Inquisition or the crusades, but those are in the past so they don't matter i'm sure.


    "The campaign is part of a growing movement by a small but vocal group of largely Saudi-influenced orthodox Muslims who use evolution as a way of discrediting imams whom they deem to be overly progressive or "western orientated"."
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    Mar 08, 2011 1:48 AM GMT
    Deaths in the past 36 years due to Christian bombings: 10 (in b4 Tim McVeigh, he was agnostic)

    Deadly Muslim terrorist attacks since 9/11: 16,905

    Lefties, just admit your beloved Muzzies aren't the "misunderstood" people you make them out to be. They hang gays in the name of their god and dismember people as punishment for petty crimes, per their religion. Instead of advocating for tolerance of that religion, we need to either modernize it so it's compatible with this century and the concept of human rights (as most other religions have done/are in the process of doing) or kick its sorry ass back to the 7th century, from which most of its practices seem not to have advanced much anyway.
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    Mar 08, 2011 1:53 AM GMT
    Upper_Canadian said
    mocktwinkie said
    crownroyal117 said
    mocktwinkie said
    Andreas73 saidThe difference is that Christians would not issue bomb threats in cases like these.


    That's dead on.


    Dead wrong.


    http://www.salisburypost.com/News/030211-moose-sentencing-today-qcd

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-03-02/news/os-orange-county-jury-leaflets-20110302_1_aclu-appeals-appeals-court-leaflets

    http://www.alvinsun.net/articles/2011/02/23/opinion/editorials/doc4d6553c50b82d771919331.txt



    Don't be ridiculous, you know very well he's not referring to potentially independent insane religious extremists acting on their own in the name of any religion -- including christianity. He's talking about a concerted fundamentalist effort at large -- If you haven't noticed, blowing people up considered to be heretics is very mainstream within huge sections of the muslim population.


    ...And this threat was issued by Islamic fundamentalists acting on their own. Islam has no central authority who issued this threat, nor is it a concerted effort.





    Puh-leez. Ever heard of Hamas? Al Qaeda?
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    Mar 08, 2011 1:54 AM GMT
    FeartheFall,

    Keep this thread on topic. We're talking about Muslims "blowing people up" for heresy. I'm convinced many of those 16,905 bombings you mentioned occurred in Iraq, a place we had no business in.

    And you're calling them "Muzzies?" I see that a respectable discourse is not an option for you.

    Edited to add:

    You're also comparing Christian bombings in the U.S. to terrorist attacks worldwide. That's comparing apples to oranges. Worldwide is larger than the United States, and attacks is a broader term than bombings.
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    crownroyal117 said
    mocktwinkie saidDon't be ridiculous, you know very well he's not referring to potentially independent insane religious extremists acting on their own in the name of any religion -- including christianity. He's talking about a concerted fundamentalist effort at large -- If you haven't noticed, blowing people up considered to be heretics is very mainstream within huge sections of the muslim population.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KKK

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill

    Lest we forget the Spanish Inquisition or the crusades, but those are in the past so they don't matter i'm sure.


    "The campaign is part of a growing movement by a small but vocal group of largely Saudi-influenced orthodox Muslims who use evolution as a way of discrediting imams whom they deem to be overly progressive or "western orientated"."


    wow, it's no use arguing with stupid.
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    Mar 08, 2011 2:01 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    crownroyal117 said
    mocktwinkie saidDon't be ridiculous, you know very well he's not referring to potentially independent insane religious extremists acting on their own in the name of any religion -- including christianity. He's talking about a concerted fundamentalist effort at large -- If you haven't noticed, blowing people up considered to be heretics is very mainstream within huge sections of the muslim population.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KKK

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill

    Lest we forget the Spanish Inquisition or the crusades, but those are in the past so they don't matter i'm sure.


    "The campaign is part of a growing movement by a small but vocal group of largely Saudi-influenced orthodox Muslims who use evolution as a way of discrediting imams whom they deem to be overly progressive or "western orientated"."


    wow, it's no use arguing with stupid.


    I believe southbeach would want you to refrain from using insults.
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    Mar 08, 2011 2:07 AM GMT
    Islam aside, even prominent scientists are recently discounting Darwin's conclusions based on recent research, and facts, and stuff.
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    Mar 08, 2011 2:40 AM GMT
    Islam and science go hand in hand... even hadiths such as Bukhari and Muslim state that God has given man a mind for a purpose...to reason and inquire.

    I am sure that God used evolution to create all these magnificent creatures.


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    Mar 08, 2011 3:58 AM GMT
    creature saidFeartheFall,

    Keep this thread on topic. We're talking about Muslims "blowing people up" for heresy. I'm convinced many of those 16,905 bombings you mentioned occurred in Iraq, a place we had no business in.

    And you're calling them "Muzzies?" I see that a respectable discourse is not an option for you.

    Edited to add:

    You're also comparing Christian bombings in the U.S. to terrorist attacks worldwide. That's comparing apples to oranges. Worldwide is larger than the United States, and attacks is a broader term than bombings.


    What other kinds of Christian terror attacks are there? Oh wait, Christians generally don't violently attack people because their religion, unlike Islam, TELLS THEM NOT TO.

    And we did have a place going into Iraq. Saddam was a dictator and was responsible for the slaughter of over 100,000 Kurds.
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    _Mohammed_ saidIslam and science go hand in hand... even hadiths such as Bukhari and Muslim state that God has given man a mind for a purpose...to reason and inquire.

    I am sure that God used evolution to create all these magnificent creatures.





    Even better; god made it up. Pretty magnificent when you consider all the complex variables that square scientifically. God's no fool, like extremists make god out to be.
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    Mar 08, 2011 6:11 PM GMT
    I learned today a friend of a friend, and someone I met on my travels was assassinated: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/07/AR2011030704387.html

    It's a reminder that the religious freedoms we take for granted in much of the west simply does not exist elsewhere (let alone gay rights). Whereas Christians are more likely to be mocked and condemned, they are being persecuted and killed elsewhere. Sadly, religious fanaticism in other faiths is not nearly as quickly condemned and even deemed patronizingly acceptable - this being only one of the more recent examples.
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    Mar 08, 2011 6:32 PM GMT
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    creature saidFeartheFall,

    Keep this thread on topic. We're talking about Muslims "blowing people up" for heresy. I'm convinced many of those 16,905 bombings you mentioned occurred in Iraq, a place we had no business in.

    And you're calling them "Muzzies?" I see that a respectable discourse is not an option for you.

    Edited to add:

    You're also comparing Christian bombings in the U.S. to terrorist attacks worldwide. That's comparing apples to oranges. Worldwide is larger than the United States, and attacks is a broader term than bombings.


    What other kinds of Christian terror attacks are there? Oh wait, Christians generally don't violently attack people because their religion, unlike Islam, TELLS THEM NOT TO.

    And we did have a place going into Iraq. Saddam was a dictator and was responsible for the slaughter of over 100,000 Kurds.


    Don't expect to get anything across when there are people in here actually invoking the crusades from the middle ages as proof that christians are interested in organized terrorism.