Does this seem like a sham?

  • Brando

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    Mar 07, 2011 7:29 AM GMT
    I replied to an ad on craigslist for a photoshoot needing some male models for a fathers day issue of a magazine coming up. Paid work. 600 a day for possibly two days.

    I sent my pics and stats and told them I had no previous experiance as a paid model, but I really wanted to build a portfolio.

    I received a call two days later,they guy told me he was an agent and was intrested in using me, but wanted to talk because he wanted to see if I had personality. We talked for over an hour about my life and everything I do (yes, even asked if I've hooked up with other guys) and I told him I had. he said that was good and that a lot of models do.

    Then he said that if I ever go infront of casting directors, I shouldn't wear any underwear. He explained that if they actually do ask for you to take your pants off, they aren't intrested in seeing baggy boxers. They ask you to take them off for a reason, and if you aren't wearing anything underneith, it shows your confident and willing to do any kind of nude poses.

    He also told me that normally finding people on craigslist who are willing to help you build a portfolio is a bad idea, because most are photograpy majors and don't know what they're doing, which will just build you a portfolio of bad pictures.and to never pay anyone else to take your photos.

    Before we hung up, he said "well, I wish you were a little bit taller, but I like your face, I like the body, and you've got a good personailty"
    He told me he would call me after I got off work (which he did) and gave me a little bit more info. The website for the agency is www.mensperspective.com.

    He was supposed to call me Friday to let me know about the fathers day shoot, but didn't. Hopefully, he will call me back today.

    This all seems so legit.
    But I do have to remember, if it feels too good to be true, then, it usually is.
    ...but I really want to consider trying it. Modeling is one of my dream careers and this could be my big break.

    Anyone heard of this agency??
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    Mar 07, 2011 7:36 AM GMT
    Just heard of this agency now.

    Give it a couple more days... he was probably busy or something...

    Good job on following your dreams though!icon_wink.gif
  • Brando

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    Mar 07, 2011 7:42 AM GMT
    Thanks! I'm really excited!! I knew he was supposed to have a busy day friday and well, hoping, he just ran outta time.
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    Mar 07, 2011 7:48 AM GMT
    The thing where he asked you if you hooked up with guys is very fishy. Why would he need to know that for the shoot? There is a possibility that he is either fake and completely punking you or he actually has an agency and is being completely unprofessional and possibly just using his position to try to hook up with you.

    Just don't do anything dumb like meet him alone at his apartment or fuck him in hopes of getting a modeling gig.
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    Mar 07, 2011 10:11 AM GMT
    Questions about your sex life in a phone interview and advice to not wear underwear when asked to drop your pants --> red alert, shields up.
  • Brando

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    Mar 07, 2011 11:59 AM GMT
    My shields ARE up, and I'm not going to do anything dumb. Even if he did want to hook up with me, I would probably tell him, I wanted to keep our relationship purely professional.

    ...and I'm not too psyked about rolling up in there without anything on under my jeans. But it does seem like a good point he had made.
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    Mar 07, 2011 12:11 PM GMT
    Well, one thing in his favor is that he didn't ask for any money up front.
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    Mar 07, 2011 12:12 PM GMT
    Well, one thing in his favor us that he didn't ask for any money up front.
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    Mar 07, 2011 2:57 PM GMT
    Caslon17000 saidWell, one thing in his favor is that he didn't ask for any money up front.


    normally scammers dont ask for money up front but at some point during the story or probably theyre not looking for money.


    I do think is scam, mainly because people willing to pay that much money for a model tend to hire directly from professional agencies where they get to look at compcards and choose the models they want them show up for the casting and then they decide who gets the job.

    Any modeling project paying more than $500 gets hundreds of applicants sent from their respectives agencies.
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    Mar 07, 2011 3:22 PM GMT
    sounds like he was enjoying phone sex with a naive participant,,,,sorry don't want to sound negative..............Keith
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    Mar 07, 2011 3:42 PM GMT
    Homowardbound saidsounds like he was enjoying phone sex with a naive participant,,,,sorry don't want to sound negative..............Keith


    This is exactly what I was thinking....that, and successful agencies do NOT advertise on Craigslist.... To me, it looks like he is promoting HIS agency, not his models.
    BUT...ya just never know. So, best of luck to you, in any case.
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    Mar 07, 2011 3:44 PM GMT
    If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

    Just don't give your hopes up, and keep a level head about it.
  • rf_dal

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    Mar 07, 2011 3:50 PM GMT
    I've gotten a few gigs from CL, but it's never from an agency or someone from an agency. It's people trying to avoid the cost of going through an agency. And anyone ever telling you not to wear underwear, in any context, is suspect.
    "If they ask you to take your top off get the money first"
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    Mar 07, 2011 4:12 PM GMT
    Yeah, some danger signs here. I've been handled by talent agencies. Mostly for my voice, but the agency would also want to see if you could work in front of a TV camera, as well as do still modeling, and so make me do all these stupid poses that I hated.

    Most agencies when they take you on will want to have your glossies done by them, even if you already have your own (which you should), because they typically prefer that their entire stable of talent have a similar look, like a HS yearbook. And with their name and standard info uniformly printed on the back, and some their imprint on the front, too.

    Likewise they'll standardize the look on their website for their talent gallery. Did you get a URL from them, and tried Googling them? That would bother me if they didn't have that. And if they haven't asked for your glossy yet, either sent to them or brought during an initial interview. And already they're talking about sending you on a shoot where you might have to take your clothes off?

    I agree some casting calls can be weird, all of mine for TV & radio commercials, and some promotional tapes. But here again, a good talent agency will often know what the job is beforehand, giving you a heads-up so you can prepare before they send you. In my case as a voice-talent I'd often first work on a specific accent I knew the producers wanted before showing up.

    At the same time, the question about sexuality could be because the agency knows the themes for the shoot, that might include some group male nudity that could freak some straight guys. Yet I think if they know that fact, they should simply share it with you and ask outright, and not the question they did pose to you.

    So still doesn't sound kosher and makes me uneasy. icon_confused.gif
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    Mar 07, 2011 4:22 PM GMT
    a photoshoot for what? a gay porn? icon_eek.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 07, 2011 4:39 PM GMT
    I tend to focus on this strictly from a business standpoint. I can see him him asking you questions about your educational background and experience... and even to get some idea of your personality. I think to delve into much more on the phone on a first conversation is inappropriate, especially when it comes to sex with men. I'm also a bit put off by the
    "underwear directions".

    However, my suggestion is to go with the flow and see whats up. Be aware of any red flags (like asking for money) and always be focused on how professional this whole operation is. You want to build a portfolio? Make sure the work you are doing is the right kind, not something, that ultimately
    might work in the opposite direction.
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    Mar 07, 2011 6:00 PM GMT
    From the website "Established male models often make six-figure+ incomes each season."

    No.

    I would run their/his images on the website through tineye too to see if they came from somewhere else.
  • Brando

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    Mar 07, 2011 7:52 PM GMT
    pre_mortem saidFrom the website "Established male models often make six-figure+ incomes each season."

    No.

    I would run their/his images on the website through tineye too to see if they came from somewhere else.



    I'm glad you actually looked at the website.
    The first shoot was for a magazine and while I'm sure 600 a day is a bit much, I see it probable. 6 figures + PER session, not so much.

    The rest of the website does seems pretty realistic though, yes?

    And just to clear some stuff up, I never told him any stories for him to get off to, but he did say that he was asking if I've done anything with a guy because of the comfort zones. He said if you ever do underwear modeling, someone may touch your package at some point to fix any sizing adjustments.


    Maybe someone should apply to the agency to see if they get a call back and hear any of the same things I did.

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    Mar 07, 2011 8:09 PM GMT
    Brando saidI replied to an ad on craigslist for a photoshoot needing some male models for a fathers day issue of a magazine coming up.




    Maybe you're going to be in some daddy/son porn.
  • RSportsguy

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    Mar 07, 2011 8:22 PM GMT
    Something does not seem right about this! It could be just paranoia on my part though. Be careful Brando. I wish you the best and hope that this is legit for you!
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    Mar 07, 2011 8:24 PM GMT
    boydroid saidQuestions about your sex life in a phone interview and advice to not wear underwear when asked to drop your pants --> red alert, shields up.


    THIS.

    I'm pretty sure that since you mentioned you don't have any experience as a model, that was a red flag to him for being able to jerk you around and do what ever he wants with you... I mean, "you'll do anything to get your career started right?" I'm not saying that's you, but that's probably what he's thinking...

    I just got done with my first photo shoot, a friend had shot some pictures for my portfolio. They asked me if I wanted to do nudes or implied nudes... and pushed the subject hard because that's what they do.

    It was different for me because the photo shoot was set up especially for me to build a portfolio, it wasn't an agency with a shoot already set up with specific details that they need for the magazine issue, so you can't make too many demands or they'll go with a different model.

    I'm not sure what to tell you, because I myself am new to this also. But I hope it works out.
  • goliathca714

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    Mar 07, 2011 8:36 PM GMT
    Have you tried posting a profile on ModelMayhem? You may also be able to find an experienced photographer in your area who'd be willing to work with you on a portfolio
  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Mar 07, 2011 8:48 PM GMT
    Your guard should be up because of the commando and hook up questions / comments. Just because this guy gave you a legimate looking website doesn't mean he has anything to do with that firm. Call the number on the website and ask for this guy. If they've never heard of him you have been scammed.

    That said, the amount for the shoot is normal for represented models in my market with limited experience. Depending on the type of usage you should be able to get $150 to $350 per hour from a shoot.

    You need quality shots. Sign up for ModelMayhem.com and look for new photographers willing to give you headshots for free in return for your time. Then get yourself an agency. Don't try to go solo or you could put yourself in harm.

    Many top models in my market are now doing unlimited usage gigs for these wages. There isn't as much print work that paid more these days. TV commercial work is harder to break into but much more lucrative.

    Good Luck.



  • KissTheSky

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    Mar 07, 2011 8:58 PM GMT
    Why would a legitimate business not have their street address anywhere on their website? Plus, the whole underwear thing is totally bogus. They give you whatever clothes they want you to wear.
    This seems like a complete scam to me... they may tell you that you need "professional" pictures taken, and they'll refer you to some photographer who will charge you hundreds of dollars -- this is an old scam used on women.
    Beware and good luck...
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    Mar 08, 2011 12:19 AM GMT
    This is fake. The underwear conversation is completely bogus - not just questionable in terms of taste but wrong. If they need to see your body for swimsuit or underwear they will not ask to see you naked - perhaps a speedo. Many casting professionals would be incredibly uncomfortable if you stipped naked at a go-see. They will tell you in advance what they are casting and expect you to have an appropriate garment underneath your street clothes.

    Who you sleep with is NEVER a conversation.

    You MUST follow your dreams - but not here, this is a dead end.