Anti-Israel thread backfires on OP, gets deleted!

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    Mar 08, 2011 5:07 PM GMT
    Ever pissed that a thread you posted in mysteriously disappeared? I don't know if the original poster deleted his own thread since that capability was recently removed or if it was some technical glitch, but if the OP did do it because the tide so clearly turned against him I say propagandize all you want, it's a free country, but don't erase dissenting opinions on a public forum!

    The thread in question entitled "Palestinian Queers Respond to NY LGBT Center's Decision to Cancel "Party to End Apartheid" was posted two days ago by IanCT and at the moment remains missing and still appears under his profile list of posts, but when you click on that title you're directed to a screen that says "Page Is Missing or Not Found." It was about a gay Arab group protesting the cancelation of an anti-Israeli apartheid event at New York's LGBT Center. What made this Palestinian-Israeli thread atypical and interesting was that instead of the usual rabble between the same few members there was a slew of new voices amongst the 49 replies speaking out against the protestors and outnumbering their RJ supporters, pointing out (among other things) that not only wouldn't those gay protestors be able to protest in most predominantly Muslim countries but would be afraid to protest amongst their straight counterparts in a Muslim March on Washington. Shortly after I posted my own response the thread disappeared. I make a habit of backing up my posts because this isn't the first time this has happened, so FYI my threadkilling (lol) response was:

    "This 'party' scheduled for March 5th was inconsistent with the mission of the Center since it would have been the only overtly non-LGBT specific political event scheduled - look for yourself at this link covering a yearlong period beginning February 22nd: http://www.gaycenter.org/eventsbydate/2011-02-22--2012-02-21 Instead of asking why the event was canceled the better question would be to ask why, given everything else happening in the world and all the other maligned groups worldwide seeking venues from which to express themselves, an exception was made for this one political cause."

    Those are the clues. Can anyone solve this mystery?
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    Mar 08, 2011 5:23 PM GMT
    I think the thread delete capability was restored after members complained. I took a look at a thread I started several days ago and the Delete Topic link was there.
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    Mar 09, 2011 1:54 AM GMT
    I don't think the Delete function ever went away, despite (from previous topics) most people thinking the OP shouldn't have that power (beyond removing the OP itself, not the entire thread, i.e. what everyone else posted).

    Usually I'm against threads being deleted by the OP once someone else has posted. In this case, ianct and sxydrkhair made such fools of themselves (yeah, more so than usually) - and were called out on it by at least a handful of people - that you almost have to feel sorry for them.

    On the other hand, this is the 2nd time in the last couple months that ianct has posted a topic and, embarrassed, deleted it. People may want to keep that in mind before participating in his threads in the future.

    Furthermore several people made thoughtful posts, and those are now gone (well, not totally, I did save a copy early this morning. If anyone wants me to email them a PDF, send me an email).
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    Mar 09, 2011 3:14 AM GMT
    Caesarea4 saidI don't think the Delete function ever went away, despite (from previous topics) most people thinking the OP shouldn't have that power (beyond removing the OP itself, not the entire thread, i.e. what everyone else posted).

    Usually I'm against threads being deleted by the OP once someone else has posted. In this case, ianct and sxydrkhair made such fools of themselves (yeah, more so than usually) - and were called out on it by at least a handful of people - that you almost have to feel sorry for them.

    On the other hand, this is the 2nd time in the last couple months that ianct has posted a topic and, embarrassed, deleted it. People may want to keep that in mind before participating in his threads in the future.

    Furthermore several people made thoughtful posts, and those are now gone (well, not totally, I did save a copy early this morning. If anyone wants me to email them a PDF, send me an email).


    are you for reals?

    you make PDF copies of threads??????? holy shit. lol.
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    Mar 09, 2011 3:30 AM GMT
    The delete thread option did go away and has now returned, but with conditions. To test it, I went I tried to delete an old thread and a warning box comes up and tells you that you can't delete a thread with more than two replies.
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    Mar 09, 2011 3:39 AM GMT
    AvadaKedavra saidyou make PDF copies of threads?

    I had it open in a window when I realized it had been deleted... so I captured it to PDF.
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    Mar 09, 2011 4:07 AM GMT
    AvadaKedavra said

    are you for reals?

    you make PDF copies of threads??????? holy shit. lol.


    I don't think it's that weird. I write short contemporary operettas based on threads and mount them in a little black box theatre near here. If anyone wants tickets to "Daily Dump: When did YOU Last Take A Shit - A Musical Retrospective" just email me.
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    Mar 09, 2011 1:29 PM GMT
    If Ariodante can take the missing thread and make an operetta out of it good luck to him.
    As one of the 49 commenters I thought IanCt had set a new standard for offensiveness that went beyond the scorched-earth tactics of all the other Israel-Palestine threads. Maybe Admin thought the same thing and got rid of it.
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    Mar 09, 2011 2:03 PM GMT
    Ariodante said
    AvadaKedavra said

    are you for reals?

    you make PDF copies of threads??????? holy shit. lol.


    I don't think it's that weird. I write short contemporary operettas based on threads and mount them in a little black box theatre near here. If anyone wants tickets to "Daily Dump: When did YOU Last Take A Shit - A Musical Retrospective" just email me.


    I think you just won the internet.
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    Mar 10, 2011 1:37 PM GMT
    Caesarea4 said...[two OPS] ...were called out on [deleting their own threads] by at least a handful of people ...this is the 2nd time in the last couple months that ianct has posted a topic and, embarrassed, deleted it

    I can certainly understand why the OP would've deleted it but if so I'd have preferred that he and his supporters engage in off-topic rebuttals and rants than banish their own threads when the outcomes aren't what they intended.


    HeartRobb saidThe delete thread option did go away and has now returned, but with conditions. To test it, I went I tried to delete an old thread and a warning box comes up and tells you that you can't delete a thread with more than two replies.

    Right now that's the case, I just tried it. So probably the OP didn't delete his thread, assuming that protocol was in place at the time of the deletion.


    TexDef07 saidAs one of the 49 commenters I thought IanCt had set a new standard for offensiveness that went beyond the scorched-earth tactics of all the other Israel-Palestine threads. Maybe Admin thought the same thing and got rid of it.

    Just once I complained to the admin about a similar thread that far more egregiously violated terms of service and he did nothing about it so I'd hate to think that he'd selectively single out and delete this Palestinian-Israeli thread above all others. It also begs the question of who complained and why? Admin Chris should clarify what happened - perhaps he heard from the LGBT Center's counsel, lol. But seriously, I'm just really curious as to how this happened and how things work around here.
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    Mar 10, 2011 2:04 PM GMT
    As I recall, RJ Admin had been asked to examine the issue of thread deletions because of complaints from members who didn't like threads being deleted to which they had contributed posts. Indeed, I was frustrated myself a few times when I took the time & effort to compose a post, and by the time I submitted it the thread was already gone. Though I don't remember asking to disable the delete option.

    I know we used to be able to delete a thread if no one had posted to it. Otherwise, if there were posts made you'd get a message box about it being reviewed or processed or something. And seems to me this procedure existed years ago. I delete my own threads so infrequently I have little personal experience, and don't know to what extent there have been actual changes back & forth with this issue.

    But I'm pretty sure you never could instantly delete your own thread if it had replies posted to it, for the several years I've been a member here. So I don't know if there's really any practical difference today.

    Is there a protocol for this written somewhere on this site? Or maybe Chris can summarize how deletions are currently done, so we know the "rules of engagement."

    And BTW, I've also always assumed that if a member complained about the content of a thread, even though not the originator himself, that Admin might delete it if the content was deemed in violation of TOS/TOU. So I wouldn't automatically assume that this deletion was instigated by the OP himself in this case.
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    Mar 11, 2011 4:11 AM GMT
    That's not my recollection. I remember a thread being deleted some 2-3 years ago.
    Then last year southbeach made a habit of deleting his own threads:

    Southbeach deleting topics when the posts are ones he doesn't like.
    Re: the topic about Israel's supposedly impending bankruptcy.

    OP: meninlove
    Date: 05/19/2010
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/952922

    Southbeach has again deleted a topic
    OP: caesarea4
    Date: 06/11/2010
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/985292


    If IanCT didn't delete his own thread and we are seeing "divine intervention", it does raise the question of why here and not, for example, some of the posts (especially on the last page) here: http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1349588