Target Corp. sues grass-roots Canvass For A Cause to stop petition signing, especially those for gay marriage

  • metta

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    Mar 09, 2011 12:17 AM GMT
    BREAKING NEWS: Target Corp. sues grass-roots Canvass For A Cause to stop petition signing, especially those for gay marriage

    http://www.sdgln.com/news/2011/03/08/breaking-news-target-sues-grass-roots-canvass-cause-stop-petition-signing
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    Mar 09, 2011 12:36 AM GMT
    I would have thought that trespassing would have entered into this.
  • metta

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    Mar 09, 2011 2:11 AM GMT
    I'm not sure how it works. I know that they have stopped the Salvation Army from sitting in front of the door of the post office because of their anti-gay stance. It sounds like the reasoning is because Target has been inconsistent with their policy.

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    Although in court documents Target trumpeted its various successful legal defenses of its No-Solicitation Policy, Watson pointed out that Target does not banish all groups despite its rules.

    “It’s important to note that they do not bar the Girl Scouts from canvassing, and all other groups that operate in front of Target were there even today working, so it’s clear that the content of our speech is what offends them, not the character,” Watson said, noting that on a recent day his volunteers also noticed petition signers representing veterans groups and city issues.

    “Several times in the memo they talk about how we are working on a ‘controversial’ issue that offends people, and at one point they describe my transgendered staff as ‘a person who calls themselves “Ruth” rather than just her name Ruth,” he said.
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    I'm glad that I have not shopped at Target since they made the original donation. I used to go there on a regular basis.
  • McLukas

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    Mar 09, 2011 2:15 AM GMT
    metta8 saidI'm just glad that I have not shopped at Target since they made the original donation. I used to go there on a regular basis.


    I thought that the donations they made back then were for other reasons but it looks like I was wrong. Good thing I didn't go back either.
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    Mar 09, 2011 2:38 AM GMT
    As much as I don't like Target, it seems to me they have a right to not allow solicitation or petitioners on their property. They are stopping shoppers and gathering the signatures 10 feet from the door. That's still private property , not the public sidewalk.
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    Mar 09, 2011 2:54 AM GMT
    I hope Target wins this one.

    The CFAC activists shouldn't solicit in front of the store like that, and from the sounds of it, their methods are not very professional.

    If I was the Executive Team Lead, I would've asked them to leave too.
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    Mar 09, 2011 5:44 AM GMT
    txguy1605 saidI hope Target wins this one.
    The CFAC activists shouldn't solicit in front of the store like that, and from the sounds of it, their methods are not very professional.
    If I was the Executive Team Lead, I would've asked them to leave too.


    Anti-Marriage Equality groups do it all the time.... one guy even captured a canvasser on film trying to deceive people into believing that it was actually a pro-equality petition/bill.

    ...but asking for donations via credit card... that sounds a bit fishy to me... The guys that are out there collecting the donations actually get to keep a good chunk of it. I went to open interview a while back and couldn't take the job because I didn't feel comfortable cheating people out of their donation.
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    Mar 09, 2011 5:57 AM GMT
    I'm happy that the activists are on behalf of us, but for fuck's sake- the way they're doing this is totally not right.
  • matt13226

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    Mar 09, 2011 6:02 AM GMT
    i work at target dont know if it makes sense for this issue but target tries not to get involved in any major issue like abortion or gay marriage so maybe that has something to do with it
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    Mar 09, 2011 5:45 PM GMT
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    txguy1605 saidI hope Target wins this one.
    The CFAC activists shouldn't solicit in front of the store like that, and from the sounds of it, their methods are not very professional.
    If I was the Executive Team Lead, I would've asked them to leave too.


    Anti-Marriage Equality groups do it all the time.... one guy even captured a canvasser on film trying to deceive people into believing that it was actually a pro-equality petition/bill.

    ...but asking for donations via credit card... that sounds a bit fishy to me... The guys that are out there collecting the donations actually get to keep a good chunk of it. I went to open interview a while back and couldn't take the job because I didn't feel comfortable cheating people out of their donation.



    This isn't an issue about the unprofessional ways a group deceives people to get a signature on a petition. If they do that both the anti-marriage groups and the pro-marriage groups are wrong. This is an issue about whether or not Target can remove, from their property, people that are soliciting. While I don't support Target's support of anti-gay candidates, I do support their right to remove any one they wish from their property. You don't have to agree with the reason they are doing it, but I don't see how anyone can disagree with their right to do it.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 09, 2011 9:52 PM GMT
    I support Target's right to not allow any type of petitioning and soliciting on their property. Hopefully they are just as draconian with the panhandling as well. The last thing anyone wants to be confronted with when entering any store or mall is to have someone pressuring them to sign a petition or push something on them or asking for money. I don't agree with Target's support of certain anti-gay causes but that is still their right.
  • metta

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    Mar 25, 2011 5:03 PM GMT

    Target Sues LGBT Grassroots Group


    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/03/25/Target_Sues_LGBT_Grassroots_Group/
  • TrentGrad

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    Mar 25, 2011 6:23 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI support Target's right to not allow any type of petitioning and soliciting on their property. Hopefully they are just as draconian with the panhandling as well. The last thing anyone wants to be confronted with when entering any store or mall is to have someone pressuring them to sign a petition or push something on them or asking for money. I don't agree with Target's support of certain anti-gay causes but that is still their right.


    Except that, according to the article, Target does allow soliciting on their property.

    Perhaps they ought to be treading very carefully, given that until it was brought to light, Target was apparently donating to groups that were steadfastly opposed to affording LGBT the same rights everyone else has!

    Moreover, if there are clashes at the door, I suspect it isn't always a matter of aggressive petitioning. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that when prospective customers learn what the petition is about, they become perfectly capable of spouting off with plenty of abusive remarks of their own!

    And frankly, anyone who shops at Target and claims they "don't agree with Target's support of certain anti-gay causes" is in fact affirming that they support Target's support of anti-gay causes...because after all, where do you think the donation money comes from?

    Target has some way to go to heal the damage they did to the LGBT community...permitting these petitioners to continue to operate, provided they observe respectful modes of behaviour!
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    Mar 25, 2011 10:08 PM GMT
    TrentGrad said
    roadbikeRob saidI support Target's right to not allow any type of petitioning and soliciting on their property. Hopefully they are just as draconian with the panhandling as well. The last thing anyone wants to be confronted with when entering any store or mall is to have someone pressuring them to sign a petition or push something on them or asking for money. I don't agree with Target's support of certain anti-gay causes but that is still their right.


    Except that, according to the article, Target does allow soliciting on their property.

    Perhaps they ought to be treading very carefully, given that until it was brought to light, Target was apparently donating to groups that were steadfastly opposed to affording LGBT the same rights everyone else has!

    Moreover, if there are clashes at the door, I suspect it isn't always a matter of aggressive petitioning. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that when prospective customers learn what the petition is about, they become perfectly capable of spouting off with plenty of abusive remarks of their own!

    And frankly, anyone who shops at Target and claims they "don't agree with Target's support of certain anti-gay causes" is in fact affirming that they support Target's support of anti-gay causes...because after all, where do you think the donation money comes from?

    Target has some way to go to heal the damage they did to the LGBT community...permitting these petitioners to continue to operate, provided they observe respectful modes of behaviour!


    As much as I dislike Target's attitudes towards gays and lesbians recently, I still see this as more than just a glbt issue. If you lived on a busy street, would you want the court to tell you that you had to allow a political group to set up in your front yard to collect signatures? Target has a right to have anyone removed from their property for whatever reason they wish. If the group wants to collect signatures on private property, they need to have permission to do it. I can tell you how this is going to end- I am pretty sure the court will ultimately side with Target, but after this to try to end any controversy Target will make it a policy that no group, not even Girl Scouts wanting to sell cookies or the local high school band trying to raise money to go on a trip, will be allowed outside Target doors
  • metta

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    Apr 08, 2011 3:06 AM GMT



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    Judge keeps solicitors 30 feet from Target


    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/apr/07/judge-keeps-solicitors-30-feet-from-target/