al-Qaeda or the IRA?

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    Mar 09, 2011 5:10 PM GMT
    So Representative Peter T. King, Republican of New York thinks that the IRA was legitimate but that al-Qaeda is the devil. The hypocrite:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/us/politics/09king.html?ref=us

    I was less than impressed, incidentally, with the New York Times's editorializing in this article. Apparently the IRA "usually sought with varying success to minimize civilian casualties". This is simply a lie, a salve to the conscience of the Americans who funded them.

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    Mar 09, 2011 5:15 PM GMT
    And here's a Fisher-Price link for those not remembering the IRA and its tactics and death toll.

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army_campaign_1969%E2%80%931997[/url]
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    Mar 09, 2011 5:36 PM GMT
    The IRA was one nasty group of terrorists, there can be no disputing this.

    It may be instructive to that consider the activities of the Ulster Volunteer Force and it's partisans were no less evil than those of the IRA.

    However, I think that the danger they presented toward *American* interests and people was far less than the scope that Al-Qaeda presents toward us now, and Western civilization in general.
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    Mar 09, 2011 5:38 PM GMT
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    Mar 09, 2011 5:47 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidIt may be instructive to that consider the activities of the Ulster Volunteer Force and it's partisans were no less evil than those of the IRA.

    However, I think that the danger they presented toward *American* interests and people was far less than the scope that Al-Qaeda presents toward us now, and Western civilization in general.


    On the first point, I completely agree. The UVF was as bad and as barking as the IRA.

    On the second, it is at least significant that you concede your standard of morality is "what's good for America". Hypocritical and pathetic, yes, but I think you're probably spot on, alas.
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    Mar 09, 2011 6:10 PM GMT
    It is all about the perception filter, Tim.

    In absolute terms, the UVF, IRA (and its many splinters), Al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood, Hizbollah, the Mossad, and the FARC and numerous other groups can be characterized as terrorists (or having used terror tactics).

    All evil, and all remorseless in their application of (pick one or more: Revolutionary/Allah's/God's/whatever) justice against whatever they have taken up arms about, to the point of committing crimes against humanity.

    In no way should their conduct be excused, but the fact is, many on the sidelines who are partial to the political cause will go to great lengths to overlook any evil-doing by these groups, whether it is Irish Republicanism or British Unionism, or establishing the global caliphate for the "righteous Muslim Ummah", or just kicking the infidel West out of dar-Al-Islaam (the Muslim world) or establishing the rule of the proletariat.

    I am sure that there were a good number of American reisdent Tories (loyalists to the British Crown) who earnestly believed that General Washington and certain other wealthy plantation owners were unpatriotic, traitorous devils ranking right up there with Old Scratch himself for throwing the Colonies into a war of insurrection against their rightful King.
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    Mar 09, 2011 6:24 PM GMT
    King was interviewed on Fox this morning and asked about the NY Times article. I don't have links, but he stated his involvement with the IRA was in the context of bringing peace to the region and he was commended by a number of leaders, including I think (if my memory is correct), Pres. Clinton and the British PM Tony Blair, among others.

    As far as the hearings, here's another viewpoint:

    An American Muslim's View -- Why Our Community Needs the King Hearings On Radical Islam, By Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser, Published March 09, 2011, FoxNews.com

    Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser, a medical doctor and a former U.S. Navy Lieutenant Commander, is the founder and president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy based in Phoenix, Arizona. He can be reached at info@aifdemocracy.org.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/03/09/american-muslims-view-community-needs-king-hearings-radical-islam/#
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    Mar 09, 2011 6:48 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidIt is all about the perception filter, Tim.

    In absolute terms, the UVF, IRA (and its many splinters), Al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood, Hizbollah, the Mossad, and the FARC and numerous other groups can be characterized as terrorists (or having used terror tactics).

    All evil, and all remorseless in their application of (pick one or more: Revolutionary/Allah's/God's/whatever) justice against whatever they have taken up arms about, to the point of committing crimes against humanity.

    In no way should their conduct be excused, but the fact is, many on the sidelines who are partial to the political cause will go to great lengths to overlook any evil-doing by these groups, whether it is Irish Republicanism or British Unionism, or establishing the global caliphate for the "righteous Muslim Ummah", or just kicking the infidel West out of dar-Al-Islaam (the Muslim world) or establishing the rule of the proletariat.


    This is absolutely remarkable: you've just turned into a liberal!
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    Mar 09, 2011 7:01 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidKing was interviewed on Fox this morning and asked about the NY Times article. I don't have links, but he stated his involvement with the IRA was in the context of bringing peace to the region and he was commended by a number of leaders, including I think (if my memory is correct), Pres. Clinton and the British PM Tony Blair, among others.


    He gave money to and was inextricably linked with NORAID, an organization that funded the IRA.

    As a result of the peace process, Clinton and Blair said quite nice things about a lot of people, some of whom were guilty of worse than King [murder amongst other things.]

    I am certain that someone who you might like, i.e. Margaret Thatcher [in fact the majority of the Conservative party], would have very few good things to say about him. The IRA attempted to murder the Conservative cabinet and the PM in the Brighton Hotel Bombings of 1984. A number of politicians and their families were killed in this incident.

    Make no mistake: I do not condone the actions of the British state in Northern Ireland. In fact I think the UK behaved absolutely shamefully for a long time. I hope that it can begin to understand this. My purpose here is to absolutely force you Americans to confront your own hypocrisy. The most terrifying aspect of life after colonialism [and to be sure the US is entering a post-colonial phase] is the collective amnesia.