Top 10 Worst Things about the Republicans' Immoral Budget

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    Top 10 Worst Things about the Republicans' Immoral Budget
    By , MoveOn.org

    March 9, 2011
    http://www.alternet.org/story/150174/

    Editor's note: The following is part of a MoveOn.org campaign to publicize the true cost of the GOP's budget cuts.

    This week, Congress could cut a deal on the budget. And if Republicans get their way, billions will be cut from vital programs that millions of Americans count on—while tax cuts for the richest are protected.

    But most people don't have any idea what's at stake—and how devastating these cuts would be to their communities—even though the cuts could take effect within weeks. So we're launching an emergency campaign to spread the word. Republicans want to gut programs with enormous public support, and hope no one notices. So it's up to all of us to spark a public outcry before it's too late.

    The devastating impact these cuts will have on our country—and on your community—is unprecedented. Check out the list below. If we can get it out to a million people, we can start to sound the alarm and stop the GOP.

    The Republican budget would:

    1. Destroy 700,000 jobs, according to an independent economic analysis.

    2. Zero out federal funding for National Public Radio and public television.

    3. Cut $1.3 billion from community health centers—which will deprive more than 3 million low-income people of health care over the next few months.

    4. Cut nearly a billion dollars in food and health care assistance to pregnant women, new moms, and children.

    5. Kick more than 200,000 children out of pre-school by cutting funds for Head Start.

    6. Force states to fire 65,000 teachers and aides, dramatically increasing class sizes, thanks to education cuts.

    7. Cut some or all financial aid for 9.4 million low- and middle-income college students.

    8. Slash $1.6 billion from the National Institutes of Health, a cut that experts say would "send shockwaves" through cancer research, likely result in cuts to Alzheimer's and Parkinson's research, and cause job losses.

    9. End the only federal family planning program, including cutting all federal funding that goes to Planned Parenthood to support cancer screenings and other women's health care.

    10. Send 10,000 low-income veterans into homelessness by cutting in half the number of veterans who get housing vouchers this year.
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    Mar 09, 2011 6:06 PM GMT
    Please take your right-wing propaganda to someone else's thread. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 09, 2011 6:19 PM GMT
    To paraphrase a quote:

    "Socialism is all fun and spending.... until you've spent all of the money the Chinese and Japanese are willing to lend you."
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    Mar 09, 2011 6:24 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidPlease take your right-wing propaganda to someone else's thread. icon_rolleyes.gif


    The Republican budget proposals for the remainder of this fiscal year which is the fiscal year without a budget - because the Democrat-controlled Congress last year didn't bother to come up with a budget - would lower the deficit from $1.65 Trillion to $1.55 Trillion.

    Keep advocating for the destruction of the country with this left-wing claptrap about "immoral budget cuts."

    I've got lots of money, lots of gold. I won't be nearly as severely impacted as you are when the country collapses in the next 5 to 10 years.


    icon_lol.gif You have GOLD! You've just jumped the shark and proven that you're a Glenn Beck lover. Maybe you'll be able to buy an island to get away from the teeming masses of people with pitch forks and torches.

    The budget cuts are immoral without cutting defense and raising taxes. And you're still a greedy, selfish bitch.
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    Mar 09, 2011 6:36 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    icon_lol.gif You have GOLD! You've just jumped the shark and proven that you're a Glenn Beck lover. Maybe you'll be able to buy an island to get away from the teeming masses of people with pitch forks and torches.


    Gold is a great play right now if you aren't aware (obviously you aren't). Well, I suppose like most liberals, you don't have any money to invest, so you don't pay any attention to stuff like that.



    Christian73 said
    The budget cuts are immoral without cutting defense and raising taxes. And you're still a greedy, selfish bitch.


    Oh dear, one of the liberal hens is getting a bit agitated...


    Dude - Quit while you're ahead. There is nothing in the Republicans' budget the impacts the deficit or the debt in a meaningful way. And at the state level, every Republican governor or legislature has coupled cuts on workers, the poor and the elderly with tax breaks for the rich and corporations.

    It's not about the budget at the state level and it's not about the deficit or the debt at the federal level. All that's happening now is that Republicans are repaying their political donors (as you accuse Dems of doing with the unions) and using an exaggerated fiscal crisis to push through their ideological cuts.

    If you're on board with that, which you are, just admit it. But don't insult our collective intelligence by suggesting that you're worried about our country, that you're a patriot or that you have even a passing interest in anyone but yourself.
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    Aside from the relentless plugging of gold buying and selling on Fox, I am unsure how that means SB is a Beck fan or not.

    But, gold and silver are still good stores of value. I wish I had thought to have purchased (with a small inheritance of) $4,000 worth of gold when it was trading for under $300/oz in the late 90s/early 00s.

    At over $1400/oz now, and expected to climb to $4000 or even $5000/oz. should the economy collapse or hyperinflate... it would be reliable, tradeable money.

    Other good investments will be fitness, survival training, gun training as well as a well-sighted long rifle, a defense shotgun or handgun, and the ammo to go with it; and storable dried food.

    And water purification systems and access to water.

    And heritage seed stock (no Monsanto death gene crap) for growing some of your own veggies.

    I know that sounds all very Sarah Connor and all, but better to be prepared and totally wrong, than to be caught unprepared in a crisis.
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    Mar 09, 2011 6:58 PM GMT
    How not to describe a Republican:

    Empathetic: A feeling of concern for other people that creates a desire to help them, experiencing emotions that match another person's emotions, knowing what the other person is thinking or feeling, to blurring the line between self and other.

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    Mar 09, 2011 7:01 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidDude - Quit while you're ahead. There is nothing in the Republicans' budget the impacts the deficit or the debt in a meaningful way.


    That's my point, which I've made in my first 2 posts in this topic.

    Let me condense it for you:

    The money being borrowed and spent today by the Federal government is going to personally bankrupt the nation, either by tax rates over 50% or by a collapsed economy that will make the Great Depression of the 1930s look like an economic boom.

    There will be no social security, no government health care, and no jobs.

    The Republican budget proposals for the remainder of this fiscal year which is the fiscal year without a budget - because the Democrat-controlled Congress last year didn't bother to come up with a budget - would lower the deficit from $1.65 Trillion to $1.55 Trillion.

    This does nothing to address the problem!


    I don't see how your agreeing with me that the Republican budget cuts don't address the problem advances your argument.

    Your condensed version of your Beckian hysteria (what? no chalkboard?) also does nothing to advance your claims. Also, I thought we weren't "living in the past."

    The Republicans are in charge of the budget now and it's patently obvious that they have no interest in fixing the economy. They would prefer it stay in bad shape for the 2012 election. And any moves they take regarding the budget will only serve to further enrich their friends and plunge the middle class back to the Gilded Age.

    And, in terms of your fear-mongering: minimally, no other country, including China, wants the most well-armed country in the world, in dire straits financially and looking for military ways to get out of its debt. There will be a third world war before America declares bankruptcy.
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    Christian73 saidI don't see how your agreeing with me that the Republican budget cuts don't address the problem advances your argument.


    My argument is that nobody in Washington DC who can do something about averting this fiscal disaster is doing anything about it.



    Well, putting aside the fact that I don't agree with your assessment of how dire the situation is (but I do think it's serious), what do you think should be done and why aren't the Republicans doing so?
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    Mar 09, 2011 7:41 PM GMT
    as usual, southbeach jane has trouble comprehending hard numbers and correct, factual information... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 09, 2011 7:42 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidPlease take your right-wing propaganda to someone else's thread. icon_rolleyes.gif


    So you're with Moore on this one?
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    Christian73 saidPlease take your right-wing propaganda to someone else's thread. icon_rolleyes.gif


    So you're with Moore on this one?


    I don't get it. What does Moore have to do with it?
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    Mar 09, 2011 7:46 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    rnch saidas usual, southbeach jane has trouble comprehending hard numbers and correct, factual information... icon_rolleyes.gif


    Says the hideous looking, self-loathing gay:
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    southbeach jane,

    i have posted a new pic on my profile. why don't you add this newest one to your 'puter's "my pictures" tab to e-stalk me with?


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    Christian73 saidWell, putting aside the fact that I don't agree with your assessment of how dire the situation is (but I do think it's serious), what do you think should be done and why aren't the Republicans doing so?


    An immediate 25% across the board cut in all Federal spending, excluding social security and medicaid. That way, nothing gets abolished and we drastically reduce the rate at which we are sinking.

    As to why the Republicans aren't doing it... it's because it's the "old guard" Republicans still running the House.

    I explained it here:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1416371

    a few days ago.


    Democrats and Old-Guard Republicans Fail on Budget

    The new T.E.A. Party members of the House will need to redouble their efforts when the budget for the FY starting Oct 1, 2011 is being put together in the coming months.

    If Congress can't even pass a $61 Billion cut in spending... we're doomed.

    To put it in perspective.

    The Democrats are screaming that $61 Billion in cuts is draconian.

    The defict this year is $1.500 Trillion.

    $61 Billion = $0.061 Trillion

    If we are to truly avert disaster, the Federal government needs to STOP deficit spending, beginning with the budget that goes into effect Oct 1, 2011.


    Here's the problem with your desire for a 25% cut across the federal government. It will cost millions of jobs. Not just government jobs but all the stuff that's been outsourced to private companies and at private companies that provide services to the federal government. Unemployment would double or triple overnight.

    Can you imagine what that would do to the economy?

    What I think we need is a serious plan over 10 or 20 years, that ends deficit spending, increases revenue and cuts spending.
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    mocktwinkie said
    Christian73 saidPlease take your right-wing propaganda to someone else's thread. icon_rolleyes.gif


    So you're with Moore on this one?


    I don't get it. What does Moore have to do with it?


    He was shouting at the Wisconsin state capital that America is not broke.
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    Mar 09, 2011 8:28 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]southbeach1500 said...NOTE to rcmh and the other haters on here. Please do observe how an intelligent debate is conducted. This exchange between Christian and myself is how to do it.


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    sb, WHAT does e-stalking me by posting a pic from my profile here on RJ as part of a thread response have to do with "...how an intelligent debate is conducted..." icon_question.gif



    P.S. learn how to type! you have mispelled my username several times.
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    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie said
    Christian73 saidPlease take your right-wing propaganda to someone else's thread. icon_rolleyes.gif


    So you're with Moore on this one?


    I don't get it. What does Moore have to do with it?


    He was shouting at the Wisconsin state capital that America is not broke.


    Oh, America isn't broke by far. The problem is that too much money is being funneled through government policy into the hands of very few people and companies.

    And, while I agree we have a problem with debt and deficit spending, the numbers SB and others are using are based on infinite horizon projects, which - as I've said on other threads - is seem by accountants and actuaries as basically useless, unless your purpose it to terrify people.

    Think about it. Would you accountant estimate your debt by projecting your present accounts payable into an infinite future while assuming that your revenue will never increase? It's ridiculous. Even a 75 year project puts the unfunded liabilities at 3 times GDP.
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    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie said
    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie said
    Christian73 saidPlease take your right-wing propaganda to someone else's thread. icon_rolleyes.gif


    So you're with Moore on this one?


    I don't get it. What does Moore have to do with it?


    He was shouting at the Wisconsin state capital that America is not broke.


    Oh, America isn't broke by far. The problem is that too much money is being funneled through government policy into the hands of very few people and companies.

    And, while I agree we have a problem with debt and deficit spending, the numbers SB and others are using are based on infinite horizon projects, which - as I've said on other threads - is seem by accountants and actuaries as basically useless, unless your purpose it to terrify people.

    Think about it. Would you accountant estimate your debt by projecting your present accounts payable into an infinite future while assuming that your revenue will never increase? It's ridiculous. Even a 75 year project puts the unfunded liabilities at 3 times GDP.


    So what's your plan? To find the 400 people with all that money and steal it from them to give to the poor so they can have more money?

    Aren't you robinhood!

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    Christian73 saidOh, America isn't broke by far. The problem is that too much money is being funneled through government policy into the hands of very few people and companies.

    And, while I agree we have a problem with debt and deficit spending, the numbers SB and others are using are based on infinite horizon projects, which - as I've said on other threads - is seem by accountants and actuaries as basically useless, unless your purpose it to terrify people.

    Think about it. Would you accountant estimate your debt by projecting your present accounts payable into an infinite future while assuming that your revenue will never increase? It's ridiculous. Even a 75 year project puts the unfunded liabilities at 3 times GDP.


    Not counting social security and Medicare, if we continue on this same path with a goal of ending deficit spending in 10 to 20 years as Democrat Hoyer said the other day, we will have over $100 Trillion in debt.

    The interest alone on that debt will be more than the entire GDP of the country.



    You don't understand. In their minds, the "rich" people are coffers that we can seize money from if we are in a dire enough position to "need" those funds.
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    Christian73 saidOh, America isn't broke by far. The problem is that too much money is being funneled through government policy into the hands of very few people and companies.

    And, while I agree we have a problem with debt and deficit spending, the numbers SB and others are using are based on infinite horizon projects, which - as I've said on other threads - is seem by accountants and actuaries as basically useless, unless your purpose it to terrify people.

    Think about it. Would you accountant estimate your debt by projecting your present accounts payable into an infinite future while assuming that your revenue will never increase? It's ridiculous. Even a 75 year project puts the unfunded liabilities at 3 times GDP.


    Not counting social security and Medicare, if we continue on this same path with a goal of ending deficit spending in 10 to 20 years as Democrat Hoyer said the other day, we will have over $100 Trillion in debt.

    The interest alone on that debt will be more than the entire GDP of the country.



    You don't understand. In their minds, the "rich" people are coffers that we can seize money from if we are in a dire enough position to "need" those funds.


    Are you one of those rich people who is worried that they will be taxed 2-3% more?

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    I no longer have trust for the left or the right. What, really, has either side done for the interest of any of us? Other than just TALK... Nothing tangible. Most are just politicians talking a good talk.... and doing a big fat 0 for the good of our citizens. We're getting screwed either way, by either party they've become so extreme and divided.
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    Christian73 saidOh, America isn't broke by far. The problem is that too much money is being funneled through government policy into the hands of very few people and companies.

    And, while I agree we have a problem with debt and deficit spending, the numbers SB and others are using are based on infinite horizon projects, which - as I've said on other threads - is seem by accountants and actuaries as basically useless, unless your purpose it to terrify people.

    Think about it. Would you accountant estimate your debt by projecting your present accounts payable into an infinite future while assuming that your revenue will never increase? It's ridiculous. Even a 75 year project puts the unfunded liabilities at 3 times GDP.


    Not counting social security and Medicare, if we continue on this same path with a goal of ending deficit spending in 10 to 20 years as Democrat Hoyer said the other day, we will have over $100 Trillion in debt.

    The interest alone on that debt will be more than the entire GDP of the country.



    You don't understand. In their minds, the "rich" people are coffers that we can seize money from if we are in a dire enough position to "need" those funds.


    SB - Cite your source for Stoyer's remarks because I can't find it anywhere.

    Mock - Do you know what caused the debt? It wasn't NPR funding or Planned Parenthood. It was cutting taxes while engaging in two wars, a giveaway to drug companies that was unfunded and cost billions, and, of course, the bankster-led implosion of the economy. Where I'm from, if you fuck something up you fix it. You don't pass the buck to those who are a) not responsible and b) the most poor and vulnerable.
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    SB - Cite your source for Stoyer's remarks because I can't find it anywhere.

    Mock - Do you know what caused the debt? It wasn't NPR funding or Planned Parenthood. It was cutting taxes while engaging in two wars, a giveaway to drug companies that was unfunded and cost billions, and, of course, the bankster-led implosion of the economy. Where I'm from, if you fuck something up you fix it. You don't pass the buck to those who are a) not responsible and b) the most poor and vulnerable.


    The point is, we have a HUGE debt NOW and NOBODY in power in DC is doing anything that will fix the problem.

    Here's the Steny info:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1422201/


    As I suspected, Hoyer never said $100 trillion. C'mon. If you want to debate, let's debate facts, not bullshit.
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    Christian73 said
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    Christian73 said
    SB - Cite your source for Stoyer's remarks because I can't find it anywhere.

    Mock - Do you know what caused the debt? It wasn't NPR funding or Planned Parenthood. It was cutting taxes while engaging in two wars, a giveaway to drug companies that was unfunded and cost billions, and, of course, the bankster-led implosion of the economy. Where I'm from, if you fuck something up you fix it. You don't pass the buck to those who are a) not responsible and b) the most poor and vulnerable.


    The point is, we have a HUGE debt NOW and NOBODY in power in DC is doing anything that will fix the problem.

    Here's the Steny info:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1422201/


    As I suspected, Hoyer never said $100 trillion. C'mon. If you want to debate, let's debate facts, not bullshit.


    No, and I didn't say he said $100 Trillion.

    He's saying the budget won't be balanced for another 10 to 20 years.

    Do the math.

    If we're at $14.2 Trillion now, and at current rates (as Mr. Obama's budget is basically at the same deficit rate as we are now at $1.5 Trillion, though he vows to "cut $1 Trillion over 10 years from the defict" which is a reduction of $100 Billion per year), we'll be at $22 Trillion by 2015, an increase of over $7 Trillion in 4 years.

    Now extend that out 20 years.


    You certainly implied it.

    Also, you have proven several times that cannot do math, and your projections are not credible.
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    Mar 09, 2011 10:31 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 saidNo, and I didn't say he said $100 Trillion.

    He's saying the budget won't be balanced for another 10 to 20 years.

    Do the math.

    If we're at $14.2 Trillion now, and at current rates (as Mr. Obama's budget is basically at the same deficit rate as we are now at $1.5 Trillion, though he vows to "cut $1 Trillion over 10 years from the defict" which is a reduction of $100 Billion per year), we'll be at $22 Trillion by 2015, an increase of over $7 Trillion in 4 years.

    Now extend that out 20 years.


    You certainly implied it.

    Also, you have proven several times that cannot do math, and your projections are not credible.


    No I didn't.

    I quoted him in italics and then wrote my comment in normal type.

    But since you refuse to do the math, I'll do it for you.

    2011 thru 2015. We add $7 Trillion to the debt. That's $7 Trillion for 4 years which of course includes the interest payments.

    Interest payments being what they are, they have a pesky way of compounding nastily. But let's keep it on the low side.

    $14 Trillion to $21 Trillion is a 50% increase in 4 years.

    After another 4 years (year 2019), with another 50% increase, that $21 Trillion becomes more than $31 Trillion.

    After another 4 years (year 2023), with another 50% increase, that $31 Trillion becomes more than $46 Trillion.

    After another 4 years (year 2023), with another 50% increase, that $46 Trillion becomes more than $70 Trillion.

    After another 4 years (year 2027), with another 50% increase, that $70 Trillion becomes more than $105 Trillion.

    The year 2027 is 16 years from now.


    SB - You can keep putting math on here, but it's the underlying assumptions that cannot be trusted.