Anyone using HRT ( hormone replacement therapy - testosterone ) ?

  • SportsRI

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    Mar 10, 2011 2:26 AM GMT
    I was wondering whether anyone, particulalry someone in their 50s has been using HRT to raise relatively low testosterone levels and what your experience had been whether its favorable or not. If you used testosterone did you take it alone or in combination with hcg and / or stanzozolol. I would particulalry be interested in knowing whether anyone has taken HRT and then stopped the therapy and how did that affect your natural testosterone production. Thanks Jim.
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    Mar 10, 2011 4:55 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI am not in my 50's just yet but if you start taking it you will more than likely be dependent on it for life. If your levels are low now and then you provide yourself with an exogenous source of testosterone your chances of recovering and be able to produce natural testosterone levels are very slim...

    This is exactly why, perpetually fatigued and testing around 300ngl at 48, I didn't take the advice of RJ's HRT proponents. I'm assuming that stepping up my exercise and cardio (and eating a lot of broccoli!) allowed me to more than double my t-levels to about 800 in the past six months. While levels can vary markedly between tests that strikes me as an unusual variance.
  • NursePractiti...

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    Mar 10, 2011 5:24 AM GMT
    I've been on HRT for almost a year now. Did the natural thing and was able to hold off on it for about a year, but my levels finally dipped well below healthy. If you don't need it, don't do it. But if you do, then do so. The androgel is less absorbed than than androderm patch. However compliance rate for both is low because they both irritate your skin really bad. Mine got so bad I finally switched to the shot. I have not experienced the up and downs people sometimes get from that form. There is a sub lingual pill, however it's extremely poorly absorbed as well and toxic to the liver. Low Testosterone has been shown to affect your thyroid, bone growth leading to osteopenia and osteoporosis, and also cardiac issues. It's estimated that more males should be on some form of HRT, however many do not get tested for it. It's still an expanding field in many ways. If you have any questions, email me. I would be glad to help or answer any questions you might have. BTY, I work in a research hospital, so I have access to studies, etc. This is where I get my information from mostly. The rest is pubmed or medscape as well as endocrinologists.
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    Mar 10, 2011 5:51 AM GMT
    I started T-injections in December of 2010 with the approval and supervision of my doctor. 1 ML each month to begin with, we will see how it goes. My T level was at 210 in Oct 2010, first time in my life (59 going on 60) I have had it measured.

    Immediate cause -- osteopenia, the pre-cursor to osteoporosis. As a Type 2 diabetic, that is one of the effects of the condition, as well as others.

    I do not know if 1 ML is a huge dose, can anyone tell me? I will have blood work done again in April, I may learn something then.

    There are other problems associated with low T as one of the contributors on this forum has noted. Would be interested in keeping updated on this forum to see what other guys have to say.
  • Beeftastic

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    Mar 10, 2011 10:39 AM GMT
    I have a multi hormonal deficiency disease. When my natural testosterone was measured, it was around 100, which is about what a womans is. When I went on a special hormone replacement therapy that included test, it completely turned my life around. I had actually started waking with a cane before I was diagnosed with my disease and had no energy. I had dramatically low muscle mass from the lack of testosterone, so much so that I could not climb stairs or do any amount of exercise. Now I can run 4 miles at a time, work out 5 times a week, and am pretty muscular.

    My case was extreme and not due to age related drop off of testosterone.
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    Mar 10, 2011 11:06 AM GMT
    I've been on HRT for over two years and expect that I'll be on it for life. And frankly, I'm glad for it. Think about it this way.

    One doesn't take insulin away from a diabetic.

    My natural production of testosterone is comically low -- and I eat very well and powerlift -- but now, thanks to HRT, I keep my test level between 800 - 1000, which is a good, healthy range. But if I were to come off HRT, then my level would ultimately drop BACK to what it was before I began therapy. Worse, it will actually drop LOWER.

    Now, I do injectable testosterone rather than the gels, rubs, and pellets. For me, that's the safest, cleanest delivery system.
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    Mar 10, 2011 11:10 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidEither that or do HCG as a form of HRT therapy to stimulate my boys into doing their originally intended job. icon_smile.gif


    I do hCG as part of my test therapy, just to prevent testicular atrophy.
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    Mar 10, 2011 11:21 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    I just visited an endocrinologist. I was not impressed. I seem to know more about this type of therapy than most doctors I have worked with. Sadly, they are the ones with the power to prescribe medications but I often wonder about their competency in this area.


    This same sort of thing was what motivated my partner and I to open our own HRT clinic.
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    Mar 10, 2011 1:53 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    eagermuscle said

    This is exactly why, perpetually fatigued and testing around 300ngl at 48, I didn't take the advice of RJ's HRT proponents.


    Are you sure that those numbers are accurate? Those numbers have nearly tripled in six months. I find that hard to believe. My levels are around 600 and I am taking a moderate dose of Androgel daily.

    My bad - it was a typo, it increased to about 700, not 800. That's why I don't post after I turn into a pumpkin (or rather a giant brocolli floret).
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    Mar 10, 2011 7:39 PM GMT
    I break up my dose and do it twice over the course of the week, half on Mon and half on Thurs. Same reason.
  • rnch

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    Mar 10, 2011 8:17 PM GMT
    nwdc_muscle saidI break up my dose and do it twice over the course of the week, half on Mon and half on Thurs. Same reason.


    this was also my "game plan" when i was big time into weight lifting and "supplimenting". by doing you you avoid big spikes of test in you.

    between allergy shots and supplimenting in my youth, 2 or 3 times a week self sticks hold no problems for me.
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    Mar 10, 2011 10:59 PM GMT
    rnch said...between allergy shots and supplimenting in my youth, 2 or 3 times a week self sticks hold no problems for me.

    Between that and the injectable amino acids, I'm a freakin' pin cushion...
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    Mar 11, 2011 4:52 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]60isthenew40 said[/cite]I started T-injections in December of 2010 with the approval and supervision of my doctor. 1 ML each month to begin with, we will see how it goes.

    As some of the other posters have noted, it's not the 1ML that is the difference, it's the concentration of the dosage. As for once monthly, I am rather surprised. Current studies have shown, not to mention the recommended schedules for a few years now have been that it should be twice monthly. The reason is to avoid the peaks from the initial injection to the troughs as the drug wears off. But everyone reacts different. I was doing twice a month injection, but it upped my levels well beyond normal. So currently I am every three weeks. That may change as I age though. The dosing however is 50-400 mg injection every two weeks. Dosage depending on the patient of course and response for hypogonadism. Greater than that is not recommended unless their is some other co-morbidity.
  • Beeftastic

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    Mar 14, 2011 9:14 PM GMT
    I used Androgel topical gel testosterone for a long time. It's much better than sticking yourself! And you can get levels of 600-800 with it if you use it right.
  • NursePractiti...

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    Mar 16, 2011 6:42 AM GMT
    I did that for a time, but my skin got to the point where I was just one big rash. Androderm did the same for me. Others have better luck however. It's different for each person. The sticking I don't like, but I liked the rash less.
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    Jun 27, 2011 10:29 PM GMT
    The best anti-aging drug for men is GH (Growth Hormone). It's naturally produced by the human pituitary gland and produces effects such as increased metabolism, increased fat turnover, and increased muscle growth. These all counteract the natural effects of aging. However, levels need to be constantly monitored by a REAL doctor (MD or DO). I've seen patients in their fifties and sixties improve remarkably on it.