Fascism in America

  • GQjock

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    Mar 10, 2011 12:20 PM GMT
    You wanna know what Fascism looks like America?
    Well here it is

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    The republicans in Wisconsin through a very likely illegal maneuver
    Stripped the Union Bargaining measure from the Budget bill
    Stating what we have been saying all along

    That this measure has nothing to do with fiscal Policy
    and with that excuse
    rammed it through the Senate Committee process
    Violating State law

    Final question .....

    If this isn't the unethical illegal maneuver that it is
    why didn't they do this before ?

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    Since probably the Republicans who post on here are the some the ultra multimilionaires who would be effected if their taxes would be raised,
    They don't care.
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    Mar 10, 2011 1:33 PM GMT
    GQjock saidYou wanna know what Fascism looks like America?...

    It is obvious, and I think some guys here who generally support liberal positions would agree, that this has nothing to do with fascism. Clueless, to put it nicely.
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    Mar 10, 2011 1:41 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    GQjock saidYou wanna know what Fascism looks like America?...

    It is obvious, and I think some guys here who generally support liberal positions would agree, that this has nothing to do with fascism. Clueless, to put it nicely.


    Actually, busting unions is a key feature of fascism. And doing so through extra-legal means over the objections of 2/3 of the citizens of Wisconsin in order to benefit corporate interests is definitely fascist-ish.
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    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    GQjock saidYou wanna know what Fascism looks like America?...

    It is obvious, and I think some guys here who generally support liberal positions would agree, that this has nothing to do with fascism. Clueless, to put it nicely.


    Actually, busting unions is a key feature of fascism. And doing so through extra-legal means over the objections of 2/3 of the citizens of Wisconsin in order to benefit corporate interests is definitely fascist-ish.

    Maybe TigerTim will see the thread and weigh in. In addition to myself, he has studied relevant sources and has previously commented on the misuse of the term by people on both sides.
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    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    GQjock saidYou wanna know what Fascism looks like America?...

    It is obvious, and I think some guys here who generally support liberal positions would agree, that this has nothing to do with fascism. Clueless, to put it nicely.


    Actually, busting unions is a key feature of fascism. And doing so through extra-legal means over the objections of 2/3 of the citizens of Wisconsin in order to benefit corporate interests is definitely fascist-ish.

    Maybe TigerTim will see the thread and weigh in. In addition to myself, he has studied relevant sources and has previously commented on the misuse of the term by people on both sides.



    Oh, like we believe anything you say.
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    Mar 10, 2011 2:05 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    GQjock saidYou wanna know what Fascism looks like America?...

    It is obvious, and I think some guys here who generally support liberal positions would agree, that this has nothing to do with fascism. Clueless, to put it nicely.


    Actually, busting unions is a key feature of fascism. And doing so through extra-legal means over the objections of 2/3 of the citizens of Wisconsin in order to benefit corporate interests is definitely fascist-ish.

    Maybe TigerTim will see the thread and weigh in. In addition to myself, he has studied relevant sources and has previously commented on the misuse of the term by people on both sides.


    Maybe... But my degree is in political theory and we studied fascism extensively.

    Given all the durm and strang by your and others over how the Affordable Care Act was past, how can you support this manuver, which many are saying is either illegal or, at the very least, of questionable legality?
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    Mar 10, 2011 2:22 PM GMT
    haha! Nothing to do with fascism. People are free to do whatever they want, and work for whomever they want. The Government, on the other hand, has to operate like a business and that means that in tough times they have to do what any other businesses does, and that's either lay off workers or cut benefits.

    Federal workers already cannot collectively bargain and state workers should have it the same way. It's not right to have the government representing the will of the people but then being controlled and at the mercy of their own workers without having the people at large have a say in the benefits and pay of state or federal workers.

    Are you saying the federal government is fascist for its policy? Why the big fuss now?
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    mocktwinkie saidhaha! Nothing to do with fascism. People are free to do whatever they want, and work for whomever they want. The Government, on the other hand, has to operate like a business and that means that in tough times they have to do what any other businesses does, and that's either lay off workers or cut benefits.

    Federal workers can already not collectively bargain and state workers should have it the same way.

    Are you saying the federal government is fascist for its policy? Why the big fuss now?




    Why such vitriol to working class people?
    On and on and on and on and on and on.
    Never ending drumbeat to hate middle class people making a decent wage

    On and on and on and on


    ?Why do Republicans get their JOLLIES beating down, demeaning people?
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    Mar 10, 2011 3:29 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidhaha! Nothing to do with fascism. People are free to do whatever they want, and work for whomever they want. The Government, on the other hand, has to operate like a business and that means that in tough times they have to do what any other businesses does, and that's either lay off workers or cut benefits.

    Federal workers can already not collectively bargain and state workers should have it the same way.

    Are you saying the federal government is fascist for its policy? Why the big fuss now?




    Why such vitriol to working class people?
    On and on and on and on and on and on.
    Never ending drumbeat to hate middle class people making a decent wage

    On and on and on and on


    ?Why do Republicans get their JOLLIES beating down, demeaning people?


    It's not, their hair is getting a trim. Nobody is cutting off their head. Their benefits will now be more fairly in accordance with private sector workers -- although they are still getting far more benefits anyway.

    It's like a paranoia that has taken everyone over and for no good reason.
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    Mar 10, 2011 3:34 PM GMT
    For the comprehension impaired (like Mock) here is a Fisher-Price link


    "Fascism (pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical, authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy."


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism


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    Mar 10, 2011 3:44 PM GMT
    meninlove said For the comprehension impaired (like Mock) here is a Fisher-Price link


    "Fascism (pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical, authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy."


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism




    Fascism is completely incompatible with classical liberalism/libertarianism/conservatism or laissez faire capitalism because it involves controlling those corporations for the interests of the government. It is collectivist in nature, not individualistic. The core philosophy that fascism has with the role of government is, ironically, more in harmony with liberalism which tens to continually want a more pronounced government presence with the fanciful idea, of course, that their involvement will be for the ends of accomplishing "justice" and lessening the "might" of corporations and exacting "equality" and "fairness" for the less fortunate. But that's an assumption, an assumption that results in people like Hitler.

    Do you honestly believe that the people in Germany knew what Hitler was up to? To them he was a savior. He was someone who was going to champion the rights of the poor, use corporations for the "good of the people" rather than "greedy private interests" and make sure that justice was served for them. They exchanged their freedom for security.

    So much for your own comprehension.
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    Mar 10, 2011 3:48 PM GMT

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    mocktwinkie said
    LeanathleticDC said
    mocktwinkie saidhaha! Nothing to do with fascism. People are free to do whatever they want, and work for whomever they want. The Government, on the other hand, has to operate like a business and that means that in tough times they have to do what any other businesses does, and that's either lay off workers or cut benefits.

    Federal workers can already not collectively bargain and state workers should have it the same way.

    Are you saying the federal government is fascist for its policy? Why the big fuss now?




    Why such vitriol to working class people?
    On and on and on and on and on and on.
    Never ending drumbeat to hate middle class people making a decent wage

    On and on and on and on


    ?Why do Republicans get their JOLLIES beating down, demeaning people?


    It's not, their hair is getting a trim. Nobody is cutting off their head. Their benefits will now be more fairly in accordance with private sector workers -- although they are still getting far more benefits anyway.

    It's like a paranoia that has taken everyone over and for no good reason.


    What is it with "dumbing down" wages with Republicans?

    Oh, that's right.....

    Mocktwinkie is one of those multimillionaires who wants to be even richer.

    He'd rather have people make less money ...so they buy less things?

    But that doesn't make sense.

    Make less money.....buy less....less profits for multimillionaires like moscktwinkie?



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    LeanathleticDC said
    mocktwinkie said
    LeanathleticDC said
    mocktwinkie saidhaha! Nothing to do with fascism. People are free to do whatever they want, and work for whomever they want. The Government, on the other hand, has to operate like a business and that means that in tough times they have to do what any other businesses does, and that's either lay off workers or cut benefits.

    Federal workers can already not collectively bargain and state workers should have it the same way.

    Are you saying the federal government is fascist for its policy? Why the big fuss now?




    Why such vitriol to working class people?
    On and on and on and on and on and on.
    Never ending drumbeat to hate middle class people making a decent wage

    On and on and on and on


    ?Why do Republicans get their JOLLIES beating down, demeaning people?


    It's not, their hair is getting a trim. Nobody is cutting off their head. Their benefits will now be more fairly in accordance with private sector workers -- although they are still getting far more benefits anyway.

    It's like a paranoia that has taken everyone over and for no good reason.


    What is it with "dumbing down" wages with Republicans?

    Oh, that's right.....

    Mocktwinkie is one of those multimillionaires who wants to be even richer.

    He'd rather have people make less money ...so they buy less things?

    But that doesn't make sense.

    Make less money.....buy less....less profits for multimillionaires like moscktwinkie?





    Me, a multimillionaire? Nice assumption.
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    Mar 10, 2011 4:20 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    meninlove said For the comprehension impaired (like Mock) here is a Fisher-Price link


    "Fascism (pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical, authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy."


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism




    Fascism is completely incompatible with classical liberalism/libertarianism/conservatism or laissez faire capitalism because it involves controlling those corporations for the interests of the government. It is collectivist in nature, not individualistic. The core philosophy that fascism has with the role of government is, ironically, more in harmony with liberalism which tens to continually want a more pronounced government presence with the fanciful idea, of course, that their involvement will be for the ends of accomplishing "justice" and lessening the "might" of corporations and exacting "equality" and "fairness" for the less fortunate. But that's an assumption, an assumption that results in people like Hitler.

    Do you honestly believe that the people in Germany knew what Hitler was up to? To them he was a savior. He was someone who was going to champion the rights of the poor, use corporations for the "good of the people" rather than "greedy private interests" and make sure that justice was served for them. They exchanged their freedom for security.

    So much for your own comprehension.


    Germany was not considered a fascist regime during Hiter's reign. Nazism is it's own political category.

    And when you frequently say the "government is a business", you are promoting fascism. The government is not a business, it's a government.
  • Timbales

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    Mar 10, 2011 4:32 PM GMT
    What is the percentage of union jobs that are in the public sector vs. private?
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    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie said
    meninlove said For the comprehension impaired (like Mock) here is a Fisher-Price link


    "Fascism (pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical, authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy."


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism




    Fascism is completely incompatible with classical liberalism/libertarianism/conservatism or laissez faire capitalism because it involves controlling those corporations for the interests of the government. It is collectivist in nature, not individualistic. The core philosophy that fascism has with the role of government is, ironically, more in harmony with liberalism which tens to continually want a more pronounced government presence with the fanciful idea, of course, that their involvement will be for the ends of accomplishing "justice" and lessening the "might" of corporations and exacting "equality" and "fairness" for the less fortunate. But that's an assumption, an assumption that results in people like Hitler.

    Do you honestly believe that the people in Germany knew what Hitler was up to? To them he was a savior. He was someone who was going to champion the rights of the poor, use corporations for the "good of the people" rather than "greedy private interests" and make sure that justice was served for them. They exchanged their freedom for security.

    So much for your own comprehension.


    Germany was not considered a fascist regime during Hiter's reign. Nazism is it's own political category.

    And when you frequently say the "government is a business", you are promoting fascism. The government is not a business, it's a government.


    It operates as a business in the sense of needing to remain solvent. The government supposedly works for the people, that's why the people who work for the government shouldn't be able to sabotage the operations of government if their demands aren't met. State and federal workers work for the people, not their own interests. The people should decide more or less what are "fair" pay and "benefits" for them. If they don't like it, then they can get a private sector job!
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    Mar 10, 2011 5:52 PM GMT
    "The people should decide more or less what are "fair" pay and "benefits" for them. If they don't like it, then they can get a private sector job! "


    Why doesn't the private sector decide that the fair pay is what the Unions have?


    What is it with Republicans with the race to the bottom?

    When did it become vogue to shop at Wal-Mart?

    When did it become vogue to wish less for other people?

    Why do Republicans want other people to have less?



  • GQjock

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    Mar 11, 2011 10:34 AM GMT
    Oh and the Michigan Governor and his Brown shirts at hand just passed a law that states he can declare any jurisdiction in his state an emergency
    and simply dissolve it's local governing body

    [url]http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28ru0q5r2as4j31s55wb2kid55%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2011-SB-0153[/url]

    Mussolini would be so proud ................
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    Mar 11, 2011 11:29 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidAh, the good ole union thuggery tactics....

    Oh, and don't miss the nutty reference to the Koch brothers. Now where have we seen such "linkages" to the Koch brothers made before... oh yes, here on RJ by the liberal hens!



    Hey Douchbag!

    There's nothing "nutty" about linking Scott Walker to his primary benefactors, particularly when he's already demonstrated that he is acting in service to their ideology and not the needs of Wisconsin. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • GQjock

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    Mar 11, 2011 12:06 PM GMT
    It gets easier and easier ......

    SB does it ever hurt to be so blind?

    Wednesday, March 2, 2011
    KOCH BROTHERS FUND BUS TOUR SUPPORTING WALKER
    Americans for Prosperity Launches Bus Tour Across Wisconsin: “Stand Against Spending. Stand With Walker”
    Americans for Prosperity today announced the launch of its “Stand Against Spending. Stand With Walker.”
    http://defendwisconsin.blogspot.com/2011/03/koch-brothers-fund-bus-tour-supporting.html