Vegetarian couple barred from adopting

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    Mar 11, 2011 6:14 PM GMT
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/11/3161113.htm

    A vegetarian couple on the Greek island of Crete have been barred from adopting a child because of doubts about their diet, a local social welfare official said.

    The decision was taken because the would-be adoptive parents, who have gone to court to overturn it, eat no meat or fish and officials feared this regimen would be applied to the child as well.

    "We asked the University of Crete medical school on the issue and they said the child's diet must include meat, fish, etc," the head of the city's welfare services, Spyros Epitropakis, said.

    "We do not discriminate but we were obliged to check this out. The issue is now in the hands of the judicial authorities," he added.

    The university expert whose recommendation was used by the welfare services to reject the application has labelled the affair "unreasonable".

    "It's unreasonable not to be given the child for being vegetarian," said Antonis Kafatos, a paediatrician and nutrition researcher.

    "A child needs to eat fish, seafood and dairy products among other things, without meat being essential. But if the family has no intention of imposing its diet habits on the child, I don't see where the problem is," he said.

    The case is to be examined on March 16.

    Greece has one of the lowest birth rates in the European Union. Strict procedures covering adoption in the country often force couples to seek other options, such as adopting children sold by migrant gangs.

    - AFP


    I'm not a vegetarian myself, and I certainly don't agree with a vegetarian diet. But c'mon! Even if the parents did put their child on a vegetarian diet, that would still be a lot more nutritious for that child than eating all the junk food we're being served nowadays. Biologic parents come with all kinds of quirks and flaws....why are adoptive parents held to some government imposed idea of perfection?

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    Mar 11, 2011 6:23 PM GMT
    This kinda silly to hear... Adoptive parents really have to go through hurdles but this kinda insane. I mean the pediatrician would just recommend the parents who feed the child a normal diet as opposed to strictly vegetarian and when he/she is sensible enough to make decision then the child can be vegetarian as their adoptive parents would be.
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    Mar 12, 2011 3:32 AM GMT
    Being vegetarian is a very healthy diet, but as far as barring a couple from adopting a child because of it, that's fucking stupid. A child is a child; of course they will need an adequate, balanced diet, and if they wanted to choose to become a vegetarian, then that is the child's choice later on in life.
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    Mar 12, 2011 4:29 AM GMT
    Parts of Europe are still very primitive in terms of their knowledge and resources available for supporting vegetarian and vegan diets.

    As a vegan who has traveled there extensively, I can affirm that Greece and Crete were not very accomodating to my lifestyle.

    The locals who spoke English were shocked when I told them it has been over 10 years since I ate any animal products. They looked at me as if I was a ghost! icon_eek.gif
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    Jan 15, 2014 9:45 PM GMT
    Bigotry or cultural ignorance, people are dumb.
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    Jan 15, 2014 10:08 PM GMT
    That just indicated ignorance. There are many people in this world who are very healthy even though they have been vegetarians since birth.

    Perhaps they think that meet (which includes fish, etc.) and / or dairy products are required for protein. Where do they think animals get their protein? Animals don't manufacture protein. Animals who are not carnivores get their protein from plants so presumably people can also get their protein from plants.

    It's disturbing that medical school personnel could be so ignorant.
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    Jan 15, 2014 11:04 PM GMT
    YourName2000 saidExperimenting with a child's health just to practice an unnatural diet is tantamount to child abuse...they might as well put the child with pedophiles and "hope the parents don't practice their ways on the child".

    A growing child's nutritional needs are already difficult enough to manage due to finicky eaters and simply the amount of nutrients needed to begin with: choline, iron, calcium, and certain amino acids that are just difficult to find outside of animal sources. A child has little ability to 'sense' the dis-ease of something missing in his diet and less ability to articulate it. So unless they're agreeing to a nutritionist's visit monthly (or even weekly), there's no way I'd play God with this kid's future...especially in a country like Greece where there are so many more willing (normal) parents, so much so that some are reduced to buying babies to love from immigrants.

    Not worth the risk, imo. Let the vegetarians get a dog and try to feed it a vegetarian diet. icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Experimenting? I don't think so. There are millions of very healthy people who were vegetarians from birth, so I don't see how it could be considered to be experimenting. The animal food industry has been very successful with its propaganda efforts.

    A rather high percentage of Seventh Day Adventists are vegetarians and as a group, they are more healthy than the average American. However, many do use dairy products.
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    Jan 15, 2014 11:08 PM GMT
    I think it should be up to where the kids were located to chose who gets the children. Strict rules mean he kids are more likely to go to a good place. I think vegetarians should be able to adopt but I kind of understand if they were to say they have to adopt older children instead, if they feel a balanced diet is best for younger ones..
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    Jan 15, 2014 11:13 PM GMT
    I would think the bigger "experiment" currently taking place would be the GMOs being fed to children.
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    Jan 15, 2014 11:22 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidThe NYT reported on April 5, 2003: "A Queens couple who fed their baby daughter a strict vegetarian diet, including homemade infant formula, were convicted yesterday of nearly starving her to death.

    A jury in State Supreme Court found the couple, Joseph and Silva Swinton, guilty of first-degree assault and two lesser charges. They were immediately taken into custody. Each faces 5 to 25 years in prison."


    Exactly! Kids need a LOT more nutrition than a vegetarian diet can supply. Plus such a decision should be the child's choice when they grow up, I'm sure their parents fed them normally as kids
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    Jan 15, 2014 11:27 PM GMT
    The State must ban vegetarians from breeding, too.
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    Jan 16, 2014 12:29 AM GMT
    ReeBad19 saidI think it should be up to where the kids were located to chose who gets the children. Strict rules mean he kids are more likely to go to a good place. I think vegetarians should be able to adopt but I kind of understand if they were to say they have to adopt older children instead, if they feel a balanced diet is best for younger ones..


    Of course a balanced diet is best for younger ones; it is best for everyone. Are you assuming that a vegetarian diet cannot be balanced?
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    Jan 16, 2014 12:31 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidThe NYT reported on April 5, 2003: "A Queens couple who fed their baby daughter a strict vegetarian diet, including homemade infant formula, were convicted yesterday of nearly starving her to death.

    A jury in State Supreme Court found the couple, Joseph and Silva Swinton, guilty of first-degree assault and two lesser charges. They were immediately taken into custody. Each faces 5 to 25 years in prison."


    The actual problem was not that the diet was vegetarian; a vegetarian diet can be adequate. The problem was that the particular vegetarian diet was not adequate.
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    Jan 16, 2014 12:39 AM GMT
    Here is an article on providing vegetarian-only meals from earliest childhood:

    http://pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/vegetarian-diets-for-children-right-from-the-start


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    Jan 16, 2014 1:31 AM GMT
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    ReeBad19 saidI think it should be up to where the kids were located to chose who gets the children. Strict rules mean he kids are more likely to go to a good place. I think vegetarians should be able to adopt but I kind of understand if they were to say they have to adopt older children instead, if they feel a balanced diet is best for younger ones..


    Of course a balanced diet is best for younger ones; it is best for everyone. Are you assuming that a vegetarian diet cannot be balanced?


    No... I am saying its is definitely harder. Also Adults can tell when they are missing out on something, kids cannot
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    Jan 16, 2014 1:42 AM GMT
    Humans physiologically are supposed to eat meat and vegetation. If a person wants to go against that, then that's their choice. Parents should give their child sustenance that encompasses all forms of food, like nature and evolution have shaped us over millenia
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    Jan 16, 2014 1:45 AM GMT
    They probably also don't believe in getting their kid vaccinated. And believe in home schooling.
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    Jan 16, 2014 2:00 AM GMT
    I tried being a vegetarian several times in several different ways and each time I got sick.
    Not everyone can do it.
    I think their concern was valid.
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    Jan 16, 2014 2:07 AM GMT
    You'll probably have a hard time believing this one.

    Some mothers believe that disposable diapers are bad because the fiber that's against the baby's skin is artificial (plastic) and believe that's bad. So they use cloth diapers. (I don't have a problem with cloth diapers, probably better for the environment.)

    But where it gets weird is that since they think the synthetic fibers are bad they also think that the outside plastic diaper things that are elastic at the waist and legs are bad for the baby. The things that keep the urine that soaks through from getting on their clothes and whatever.

    What they use instead is something called a wool soaker. It's knit from regular (not machine washable) wool. Basically little wool briefs. They believe that the lanolin in the wool neutralizes the urine that gets on it. They use them for several weeks before washing them and re-lanolizing them.

    In case you don't believe me here's a google search on lanolizing the wool soakers: http://goo.gl/sPos8v
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    Jan 16, 2014 2:14 AM GMT
    I guess vegetarians shouldn't have biological children either. Let's sterilize them!
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    Jan 16, 2014 7:50 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidThey probably also don't believe in getting their kid vaccinated. And believe in home schooling.


    If it is done well, there is nothing wrong with home schooling. There are even organizations to help home schoolers provide adequate materials. Some home-schooled kids have done very well on college entrance examinations. My concern would be that some people home school their kids for the wrong reasons and provide a very unbalanced education.
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    Jan 16, 2014 7:55 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidAnother article by the NYT on May 21, 2007: "WHEN Crown Shakur died of starvation, he was 6 weeks old and weighed 3.5 pounds. His vegan parents, who fed him mainly soy milk and apple juice, were convicted in Atlanta recently of murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty.

    This particular calamity -- at least the third such conviction of vegan parents in four years -- may be largely due to ignorance."


    Obviously the parents should have realized that something was wrong when the boy failed to gain weight. There was no excuse for that. It was right to convict the parents.

    At his age, he should have been breast feeding anyway in which case the matter of a vegetarian diet would not have arisen.