Mormon Masturbation

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    Mar 14, 2011 12:09 AM GMT
    The following article was written by a faithful LDS Physician. In fear of reprisal from church leaders, the doctor asked that his name be witheld.

    http://www.i4m.com/think/sexuality/masturbation_help.htm
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    Mar 14, 2011 1:43 AM GMT
    What a great article! I am a mormon myself and I do agree with each word. I have a blog where I share my ideas on the subject. Unfortunately, it is in Portuguese (which is my first language), if you wanna try web translators, I hope you can read and wait for your comments there.

    My blog's home page:
    http://eli-ude.blogspot.com
    An article about religion and homosexuality:
    http://eli-ude.blogspot.com/2009/05/sexo-religiao-e-homossexualidade.html

    An article about my affective and sexual experiences:
    http://eli-ude.blogspot.com/2011/03/paginas.html
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    Mar 14, 2011 1:51 AM GMT
    Wow. Very interesting article, thanks.
  • LJay

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    Mar 14, 2011 2:02 AM GMT
    Graham cracker anyone?
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    Mar 14, 2011 2:11 AM GMT
    Very nice.
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    Mar 14, 2011 2:12 AM GMT
    LJay saidGraham cracker anyone?


    With some bree and coffee, thanks.
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    Mar 14, 2011 5:47 AM GMT
    Completely true.

    I remember when I was 12 being called in to the Bishop's office and being asked about masturbation. After I said I had...I was given the pamphlet and told that masturbating was evil and ...seriously...a sin akin to murder.

    They sent kids off to retraining camps that could not stop....so I guess I quit going to church because I could not quit masturbating.

    Ok...so...some things never change...lol.
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    Mar 14, 2011 6:06 AM GMT
    Damn. I'd totally be going to Mormon hell for how hairy my palms ought to be...
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    Mar 14, 2011 8:01 AM GMT
    I grew up mormon and served a mission. Masturbated all the time.

    Before leaving for my mission (Portugal), I was actually asked by my bishop if I masturbated. It was a pre-requisite to not play with yourself icon_twisted.gif.
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    Mar 14, 2011 11:53 AM GMT
    I also served a mission (here in Brazil) and I do believe this wrong approach on masturbation is unintentional but very damaging.

    There's a reason for them to ask that and this reason is obvious. Before the mission, guys have their masturbating moments on their own and they haven't been to the temple yet, where they make a serious commitment with God to not have intercourse before marriage.

    Nevertheless, after making that commitment, they go on a mission, with other same sex guys or girls, and spend lots of time together. If there's masturbation, it will naturally be shared and eventually lead to sex.

    So, as in the Celestial Kingdom of mormonism heterosexuality is a must. It's normal for them to create some rules that avoid such misbehavior in that pattern of living.

    But, the Mormon church is the only Christian church that sets a heaven to homosexuals. Cause there is a ceremony in the mormon temple that states what are the requisites to entering each degree of salvation, which are called "degrees of glory in the plan of happiness." The obeying to the law of chastity is a must only for the next to the last degree in that plan. The two previous kingdoms of glory do not demand any sexual standard.

    That is a plan of happiness, and gay people wouldn't be happy in a place their sexuality is twisted into something different do adequate themselves to the pattern of the place. That's why God created different degrees of salvation, where each person would find their own pattern of happiness.

    With such a clear explanation of salvation, there's no place for guilt or suffering. People just need to understand who they are and what makes them happy and live their lives that way.

    That church exists only to prepare people for those last degrees of glory. If this is not your case, you don't need to demand a change in their beliefs, cause that is their pattern of happiness, and we must accept diversity.

    There's no prejudice in the doctrine of the church. If there's any prejudice (and I know there is), it is in the misunderstanding of such a beautiful doctrine.
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    Mar 14, 2011 2:06 PM GMT
    heybreaux saidGlad he spoke out. I don't really care much for his closer to God speech, although I did like him saying that "he had his most spiritual moments while masturbating, LOL, YOU GO BOY!! AMEN.

    But the medical reasons for masturbation are well known and I think the LDS position on the issue is yet another case of religion overthinking nature.

    I have posted this before and it is what I believe that homosexuality brings to the species. There is always a purpose for what exists.

    http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/the_gay_animal_kingdom/


    Jonah, your article is great! I loved it.
  • macguyver32

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    Mar 14, 2011 3:31 PM GMT
    Zadokien saidI also served a mission (here in Brazil) and I do believe this wrong approach on masturbation is unintentional but very damaging.

    There's a reason for them to ask that and this reason is obvious. Before the mission, guys have their masturbating moments on their own and they haven't been to the temple yet, where they make a serious commitment with God to not have intercourse before marriage.

    Nevertheless, after making that commitment, they go on a mission, with other same sex guys or girls, and spend lots of time together. If there's masturbation, it will naturally be shared and eventually lead to sex.

    So, as in the Celestial Kingdom of mormonism heterosexuality is a must. It's normal for them to create some rules that avoid such misbehavior in that pattern of living.

    But, the Mormon church is the only Christian church that sets a heaven to homosexuals. Cause there is a ceremony in the mormon temple that states what are the requisites to entering each degree of salvation, which are called "degrees of glory in the plan of happiness." The obeying to the law of chastity is a must only for the next to the last degree in that plan. The two previous kingdoms of glory do not demand any sexual standard.

    That is a plan of happiness, and gay people wouldn't be happy in a place their sexuality is twisted into something different do adequate themselves to the pattern of the place. That's why God created different degrees of salvation, where each person would find their own pattern of happiness.

    With such a clear explanation of salvation, there's no place for guilt or suffering. People just need to understand who they are and what makes them happy and live their lives that way.

    That church exists only to prepare people for those last degrees of glory. If this is not your case, you don't need to demand a change in their beliefs, cause that is their pattern of happiness, and we must accept diversity.

    There's no prejudice in the doctrine of the church. If there's any prejudice (and I know there is), it is in the misunderstanding of such a beautiful doctrine.


    Um, most men would never tolerate being around another man who is masturbating. And it is rarely ever shared and certainly doesn't lead to gay sex amongst otherwise straight young men. That's Boyd K. Packer and Spencer Kimball talking. Both old dinosaurs who have no clue about human sexuality beyond their own narrow view.(with due respect to them both)

    Masturbation is frowned upon because of the thoughts that generally accompany it and the very natural tendency of those thoughts to wander to places they probably shouldn't be. Those thoughts are supposed to be between a man and his wife. If you are on a mission then you had better be focusing on the work and not on the girl/guy you saw that afternoon. Allowing masturbation in such an environment is destructive to the spirit they are trying to cultivate in their work regardless of what the OP's LDS physician says about spiritual masturbation. It is entirely inappropriate in that environment. Save it for later, after your missions.

    Heterosexuality isn't a must for the Celestial kingdom. Being worthy is a must. It's the worthiness that becomes fuzzy in regards to gay people. How is a gay man worthy? That is the current debate in the church. Ultimately it's God's choice who enters which kingdom. There isn't one for gays and one for straights. There is a place where we would be more or less happy, but I assure you that I will want to be wherever my parents, family and greatest friends are. That is most likely the Celestial kingdom and I am gay and always will be. I only hope I will get to take my soul mate with me.

    There is no easy answer to this question. Doctrine is clear about strait people and what they must do. It is clear about missionaries and what they must do. It isn't clear on masturbation and it isn't clear on gay people.
  • Brodmiester

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    Mar 14, 2011 3:47 PM GMT
    " i grew up in salt lake..many nites dreaming bout missionaries...lol
  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 14, 2011 3:54 PM GMT
    Great article, glad you shared it.

    Mormons...and in Kansas, the Mennonites.

    We always kid around about the Mennonite men (who always seem to be hotter than hell) and their wives, who are always deliberately dressed down..
    long dresses, very homely in some cases. I'd masterbate alot too if I were
    a Mennonite, but in my case it would be some of the other hot men.
    LOL
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    Mar 14, 2011 4:44 PM GMT
    I was a mormon as well. Masturbation never was a problem because I never told my bishop anything about it. Whatever happened behind closed doors, stayed behind closed doors.
  • BlackBeltGuy

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    Mar 14, 2011 5:34 PM GMT
    I was considering a POLYrelationship. I think that would be kind of hot.
    when the mormons come they leave the watchtower mag in my laundry complex room and I replace it with playgirl.
    my building neighbors love me.
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    Mar 14, 2011 5:43 PM GMT
    amazing article and he's the right type of person to be writing it to reach members of his own faith. wish i could thank him personally
  • macguyver32

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    Mar 14, 2011 6:05 PM GMT
    Hmmm...

    The author of the article chastises one of his early leaders for taking authority upon himself and then does the same thing himself. Medical doctor or not, the church is not run that way. You can't claim authority unto yourself, as we (Mormons) believe. It is ordained of God and therefore you must endure your leadership or chose to leave. You can only sustain or oppose. You can't ouster.

    The author of the article can claim his statements as only applying as his interpretation I'm afraid. I don't agree with much of what he says though. I interpreted things differently.

    Yeah it sucks and that is why I don't attend church anymore but it is the right way.
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    Mar 14, 2011 6:28 PM GMT
    Very nice but still a little too overly religious for my taste
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    Mar 14, 2011 6:41 PM GMT
    glad i left that craziness a long time ago.
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    Mar 15, 2011 1:19 AM GMT
    You're and idiot macguyver and don't know what the hell you're talking about.

    My guess is that you're straight, Brother Macguyver. lol


    Macguyver says:

    "Masturbation is frowned upon because of the thoughts that generally accompany it and the very natural tendency of those thoughts to wander to places they probably shouldn't be. Those thoughts are supposed to be between a man and his wife. If you are on a mission then you had better be focusing on the work and not on the girl/guy you saw that afternoon. Allowing masturbation in such an environment is destructive to the spirit they are trying to cultivate in their work regardless of what the OP's LDS physician says about spiritual masturbation. It is entirely inappropriate in that environment. Save it for later, after your missions.

    Heterosexuality isn't a must for the Celestial kingdom. Being worthy is a must. It's the worthiness that becomes fuzzy in regards to gay people. How is a gay man worthy? That is the current debate in the church. Ultimately it's God's choice who enters which kingdom. There isn't one for gays and one for straights. There is a place where we would be more l mate with me.

    There is no easy answer to this question. Doctrine is clear about strait people and what they must do. It is clear about missionaries and what they must do. It isn't clear on masturbation and it isn't clear on gay people."



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    Mar 15, 2011 1:23 AM GMT
    ...and some advice macguyver: get a profile pic

    Shouldn't be afraid of who you are icon_wink.gif


    You're either confused or a complete moron for remaining mormon.
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    Mar 15, 2011 1:28 AM GMT
    macguyver32 said
    Zadokien saidI
    Heterosexuality isn't a must for the Celestial kingdom. Being worthy is a must. It's the worthiness that becomes fuzzy in regards to gay people. How is a gay man worthy? That is the current debate in the church. Ultimately it's God's choice who enters which kingdom. There isn't one for gays and one for straights. There is a place where we would be more or less happy, but I assure you that I will want to be wherever my parents, family and greatest friends are. That is most likely the Celestial kingdom and I am gay and always will be. I only hope I will get to take my soul mate with me.


    I do agree with you. There's a place for homosexuals in the Celestial Kingdom. But that place will be occupied for those who obey the Law of Chastity, which is a must for entering that kingdom. Of course there are the sealing ordinances that promise familial love can fulfill the prerequisites for the so called unworthy since they atone for their misbehaviors and experience happiness in adjusting themselves to the patterns of that Kingdom.

    I don't know if two men can live the plenitude of that law of chastity as lovers and enter that kingdom as partners, but if they are, i hope the best to you and your soul mate, as well as to me and mine.

    But if they can't, I'll be glad of being led to any other kingdom, where my family can visit me at times, so I could be happy with my partner as long as we can be together.
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    Mar 15, 2011 1:32 AM GMT
    Gay mormons. icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 15, 2011 1:37 AM GMT
    A1EX- exactly. Nothing could be more opposite.

    I feel so much better I came out of the closet and got rid of the mormon cult.

    I'm honest with myself and those I love. I don't have guilt anymore.

    I'm fairly certain the mormon church hasn't changed their position since something called...

    PROPOSITION 8