Israel, oops, I mean Bahrain, shoots protester point blank (video!)

  • dglater

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    Mar 16, 2011 4:34 PM GMT
    Hey sorry wrong country I mean Bahrain!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/16/bahrain-protester-shot-video_n_836468.html

    A shocking video of the point-blank shooting of a protester has emerged from Bahrain.

    For over a month, protests have erupted in the Gulf nation as anti-government protesters flocked to the capital city of Manama's Pearl Square. In the last few days, events have become increasingly bloody, with Saudi Arabia sending troops to the country on Monday, one of whom was shot to death. Bahraini Shi'ites called the Saudi intervention an act of "war," and subsequently, Bahraini King Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa declared a state of emergency.

    At that time, Nabeel Hameed, a neurosurgeon at Manama's biggest hospital, reported that protesters "were all shot from close range," adding that forces "do shoot to kill."

    On Wednesday, military and security forces launched a "large-scale assault" on protesters in which at least 5 people have been killed. Protester Hamid Zuher told the AP:

    "They fired tear gas and then opened fire. We lifted our arms and started saying 'Peaceful, Peaceful.' Then we had to run away."

    The following video appears to show an unarmed man walking up to military forces, who shoot him at point blank range.

    WARNING: Graphic video. May not be appropriate for all audiences.

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    Mar 17, 2011 2:09 PM GMT
    How odd that when a child is killed in a cross-fire (and investigations later show that not only was this staged - Pallywood Propaganda - but that the child was likely shot by Palestinian Arab terrorists) it's like a magnitude 10 quake across the world.

    Yet something like this (or even when Syria killed 20,000 in a week) passes in nearly total silence.
    Where are the faux humanitarians?!

    Do we need any further proof of their hypocrisy?
    Is it clear that their agenda isn't the protection of innocent people but rather to ab/use them to attack political opponents?
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    Mar 17, 2011 2:35 PM GMT
    The irony and dglater's awesome online social experiment weren't lost on me when I first viewed this thread last night. If people interested enough in a protestor being shot in Israel can't be bothered to express outrage when they find out it happened in Bahrain it speaks volumes. As for why I didn't immediately comment, I wanted to first give humanity the benefit of the doubt. Humanity FAIL!
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    Mar 17, 2011 3:18 PM GMT
    experiment fail.

    People are so turned off by the endless repetitious threads on Israel & Palestine and stay away from anything with the word Israel in it, pouncer or caesarea4.

    Put "Protestor shot in Bahrain" and interest will go up. Popular uprisings are sweeping the Middle East.

    All this " experiment" proved is the whole Israel/Palestine issue is not of interest except to a couple of single-minded zealots.

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    RE: EINSTEIN AND ZIONISM

    Gentlemen:

    Einstein is dead, and when he was alive he was a brilliant physicist. No one but Zionists care if if he was a Zionist.

    Death to Israel/Palestine threads!
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    Mar 17, 2011 3:35 PM GMT
    "odious schlump "

    Best phrase of the day!


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    Mar 17, 2011 3:59 PM GMT
    Pouncer saidI'm grateful for that Upper_Canadian. So grateful in fact that I might even forgive you for analogising my (usually substantive) contributions with those of the rabid c4.


    well you both deserve one minute on the time-out step for each year of your age.

    But Last time c4 insisted on occupying the sunny spot on your step and we still can't get him off it. icon_evil.gif

    He claims you attacked him and his father promised him he could have that step.
    We had to make a whole new time-out area.
  • dglater

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    Mar 17, 2011 5:59 PM GMT
    Its cute how you 2 stroke each other egos!

    Not doing any social experiment, so jump down from your high horses, Just showing how brutal Bahrain is!
    Apparently apartheid too.
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    Mar 17, 2011 6:29 PM GMT
    The people of Hawai'i, you know the ones that fly the Hawaiian flag, want their land back too.
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    Mar 17, 2011 9:18 PM GMT
    dglater saidIts cute how you 2 stroke each other egos!

    Not doing any social experiment, so jump down from your high horses, Just showing how brutal Bahrain is!
    Apparently apartheid too.

    Sorry I was wrong about your intent, but for the sake of clarifying my comment that it was an "online experiment" it should be pointed out to more recent readers that your original topic headline was "Israel shoots protestor point blank (video!)," with you not even mentioning Bahrain until your opening post, which began with "Ooops, I meant Bahrain." By changing your topic headline to its current "Israel, oops I meant Bahrain, shoots protestor point blank (video!)" it wouldn't be unreasonable for a new reader to infer that your intent is the exact opposite - to imply that Israel shoots so many protestors that mistaking it for Bahrain could only be natural.

    Wouldn't it have been best to have titled your topic "Bahrain shoots protester point blank (video!)?" from the outset? The issue would have stayed focused on Bahrain and readers wouldn't second-guess your intent and chase red herrings. If I wanted readers to know about Bahrain I wouldn't dilute the message by baiting them with "Israel" in the title - unless, perhaps, I thought that was the only way to generate more views. I'd be so grateful for the joint expertise of Pouncer and Caesarea4 should they refocus this thread on Bahrain that I'll even stop arguing semantics. Why don't those two boys show the real meaning of compromise and work together on this one?
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    Mar 18, 2011 1:24 AM GMT
    It may not be a perfect experiment, but note how quickly "pouncer" has abandoned Bahrain and turned this into another Israel topic.

    pouncer to eagermuscle> if you were Israeli PM and I were the PA President, I'm sure we'd establish a just peace rather quickly.

    Doubtful given that he has stated that he is against compromise as the basis of peace.

    UNSCR 242, Oslo Accords, Camp David 2000 and Taba 2001
    (I support the Clinton COMPROMISE parameters. Do you?!)

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/354843

    Not to mention his total silence in this topic:

    Yalla, Peace!
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1285693


    pouncer> I'd be willing to be the Palestinian Ben Ami if you can find me the Israeli Abbas?

    BS. wasn't pouncer critical of Ben Ami just a few weeks ago?
    And of Abbas, telling us he has lost his legitimacy?!

    Would the "Israeli Abbas", like the Palestinian Arab original, also find any and every excuse to abandon negotiations and demand unilateral concessions to come back? Would the "Israeli Abbas"


    pouncer> c4 I'm convinced you can't negotiate with. He's a Sharon, a Begin, a Netanyahu, a Liberman. A doctrinnaire no-hoper of the know-nothing Likud.

    The usual idiocy.
    It was Likud's [then called Herut] Begin who made peace with Sadat (when Egypt was finally willing to give peace a chance).
    It was Likud's Shamir (which pouncer neglected to include) who went to Madrid and set the path for Oslo (which pouncer stands against).
    It was Likud's Netanyahu who signed the Wye River Memorandum.
    It was Sharon who pulled out of Gaza (and parts of Judea/Samaria).

    How bizarre is it that those who are against compromise and peace seek to label those who are as extremists who are against negotiation?

    They're not just hypocrites, faux humanitarians, self-admitted non-peaceniks and liars for the cause, now these wolves in sheep's clothing are screeching "wolf" while pointing at the sheep!
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    Mar 18, 2011 2:48 AM GMT
    Caesarea4 saidIt may not be a perfect experiment, but note how quickly "pouncer" has abandoned Bahrain and turned this into another Israel topic.

    pouncer to eagermuscle> if you were Israeli PM and I were the PA President, I'm sure we'd establish a just peace rather quickly.

    Doubtful given that he has stated that he is against compromise as the basis of peace.

    UNSCR 242, Oslo Accords, Camp David 2000 and Taba 2001
    (I support the Clinton COMPROMISE parameters. Do you?!)

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/354843

    Not to mention his total silence in this topic:

    Yalla, Peace!
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1285693


    pouncer> I'd be willing to be the Palestinian Ben Ami if you can find me the Israeli Abbas?

    BS. wasn't pouncer critical of Ben Ami just a few weeks ago?
    And of Abbas, telling us he has lost his legitimacy?!

    Would the "Israeli Abbas", like the Palestinian Arab original, also find any and every excuse to abandon negotiations and demand unilateral concessions to come back? Would the "Israeli Abbas"


    pouncer> c4 I'm convinced you can't negotiate with. He's a Sharon, a Begin, a Netanyahu, a Liberman. A doctrinnaire no-hoper of the know-nothing Likud.

    The usual idiocy.
    It was Likud's [then called Herut] Begin who made peace with Sadat (when Egypt was finally willing to give peace a chance).
    It was Likud's Shamir (which pouncer neglected to include) who went to Madrid and set the path for Oslo (which pouncer stands against).
    It was Likud's Netanyahu who signed the Wye River Memorandum.
    It was Sharon who pulled out of Gaza (and parts of Judea/Samaria).

    How bizarre is it that those who are against compromise and peace seek to label those who are as extremists who are against negotiation?

    They're not just hypocrites, faux humanitarians, self-admitted non-peaceniks and liars for the cause, now these wolves in sheep's clothing are screeching "wolf" while pointing at the sheep!


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    Give it up Leeron !!!! your not conviincing one person here that your one sided ZIONISTS are always right rhetoric, is anything but your FANATIC PROPAGANCA.

    Actually you've convinced most of us from your voluminous one sided propaganda posts and arrogant name calling, that your side is PATHETIC in their efforts to cover abuses, murder, land grabbing, treaty breaking and so on against the Palestinians. Your labeling anyone who calls you out for it as jew haters no longer sticks. So again, your OBNOXIOUS !! give it up dumbass, your hurting not helping your cause.
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    Mar 18, 2011 2:51 AM GMT
    I hope all the Arabs who want to revolt in their own countries successfully overturn their shitty governments. Apparently there's a lot of shitty Arab governments since there's a lot of revolting.

    Meanwhile, in Israel

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    Mar 18, 2011 4:47 AM GMT
    I thank pouncer for proving my points:

    note how quickly "pouncer" has abandoned Bahrain and turned this into another Israel topic.

    pouncer> c4 accuses me of "turning" a topic whose header begins with the word "Israel" into a thread about - Israel!

    ROTFL!!!


    Pouncer has stated that he is against compromise as the basis of peace.

    p> "Compromise" as deployed by your ilk is a get-out clause to evade the trappings of justice. Compromise comes as an endgame once criminalities/liabilities have been restituted.

    ROTFL.


    Not to mention his total silence in the "Yalla, Peace!" topic.

    p> Your threads are meaningless - and members' deliberate non-participation in them might actually be considered a sign of lucidity.

    ROTFL. You participate in all my threads... except for one about a Palestinian Arab's peace proposal?!


    Would the "Israeli Abbas", like the Palestinian Arab original, also find any and every excuse to abandon negotiations and demand unilateral concessions to come back? Would the "Israeli Abbas"

    p> Settlement abandonment is not a "concession", let alone a unilateral one. One cannot concede something one has no legitimacy over in the first place. Call it a "concession" all you like, but if so it needn't be unilateral - the Palestinians will....

    ROTFL. Like compromise, the meaning of concession and unilateral are foreign to pouncer. What the other side gives, his side deserves. This is reminiscent of sxydrkhair and ianct who think that their side doesn't need to compromise, all the giving must come from the other side.


    It was Likud's [then called Herut] Begin who made peace with Sadat (when Egypt was finally willing to give peace a chance).

    p> Israel was offered peace (for a withdrawal from the Sinai) by Egypt as early as 1971. Israel turned it down. Egypt went to war

    Um, no. There was no such "peace offer" by Egypt in 1971 - a time in which Egypt refused direct negotiations. It's true that there were some proximity talks, but it was Egypt that abruptly terminated the talks.

    Note how warmonger pouncer goes on and attempts to rationalize & justify Egypt's 1973 attack on Isarel.


    It was Likud's Shamir who went to Madrid and set the path for Oslo (which pouncer stands against).

    p> Madrid ended in failure.

    Only because you, who oppose peace, consider Oslo (which was the result of Madrid) to be failure.


    It was Likud's Netanyahu who signed the Wye River Memorandum.

    p> That the Wye River Memorandum is the best that Netanyahu can show for 5 years and fully 2 tenures as Israeli PM tells you much about the man and his diplomatic acuities.

    Stop pissing in the wind. It's much more than the entire PA leadership (with or without Hamas) has to show since.
    And, along with the rest, it disproves your initial idiotic comment.


    It was Sharon who pulled out of Gaza (and parts of Judea/Samaria).

    p> Sharon never "pulled out" of Gaza, but merely continued the occupation with his troops redeployed to the periphery

    Right. And Korean troops are just on the "periphery".
    Reality: Sharon uprooted all Jewish villages in the Gaza strip.

    Once again we see that pouncer doesn't even understand the concept of compromise.
    Yet he somehow knows he's against it.

    Bahrain, anyone?
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    Mar 18, 2011 6:16 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidI hope all the Arabs who want to revolt in their own countries successfully overturn their shitty governments. Apparently there's a lot of shitty Arab governments since there's a lot of revolting.

    Meanwhile, in Israel

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    Yessirreeeeee !!! There's flash dancing on the beach and gays are allowed a parade in the streets, "Meanwhile, in Israel's" west side the ZIONIST FANATIC LIEBERMAN and NETENYAHU are stealing more land from Palestinians, by building settlements for more Zionist fanatics.
    "Meanwhile, in Israeli" controled Gaza Strip there is a fense prisoning more that a million Palestinians, kinda like a "gated community" I read about in Polland back in the 1940's

    Maybe the clearer thinking Israeli's will join the Palestinians and overturn such shitty Government leaders in Israel who blatantly abuse the human rights of the Palestinians and break treaties and murder those who dare to demonstrate against their Government actions such as the 9 they killed on a ship not too long ago.

    A Jewish writer/Editor of the New Yorker, David Remnick didn't gloss over these abuses of power by only pointing out a few democratic freedoms, he wrote a great article discribed by M J Rosenberg in the Huffington Post. Remnick is disgusted with the likes of Lieberman/Netanyahu in missguiding Israeli 'shitty government" actions and lack of interest in peace. He also wishes some steal for Obama's spine to stand up to the like of the above in Israel.

    You who try to gloss over the Israeli wrongs against the Palestinians to proclaim "gays are free" in Israel as some great thing, show a lot of callousness, this bit of democracy doesn't atone for the much worse evil brought down on your brothers and sisters the Palestinians. and get over calling those of us who point out these facts jew haters and Isreal bashers. Telling the facts as they are is not anti anything but the wrongs.
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    Mar 18, 2011 12:32 PM GMT
    How idiotic is it that someone can consider the Jarring letter as a "famous milestone" (I suggest you actually read Rabin's memoir rather than quote the dishonest Chomsky. Then tell us how many pages apart the two words are) while claiming that the much more detailed and comprehensive Madrid and Oslo AGREEMENT were failures.

    So explain to us, again and this time sensibly, why you avoid one topic, the "Yalla, Peace!" one - detailing a Palestinian Arab peace plan. Scared to comment and expose that you are against that, too, just as you are against Oslo, the Clinton compromise and compromise itself?!
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    Mar 18, 2011 2:16 PM GMT
    So much energy wasted on these threads.

    Srsly, some of y'all mudderfuggers need to get lives... lol.
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    Mar 18, 2011 2:31 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidSo much energy wasted on these threads.

    Srsly, some of y'all mudderfuggers need to get lives... lol.


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    Well you do have a point, but should the self appointed ZIONIST BIGOT and Obnoxious propagandist Leeron (C4) be left unchallenged on his one sided bullshit ?
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    Mar 18, 2011 2:47 PM GMT
    I tend not to take these threads seriously at all, as no one is calling for an E'retz Yisrael that stretches from the Nile to the Euphrates (the original scope of the lands promised to Abraham and his seed, which includes the Arab nations of Ishmaelite descent).

    And few Isrealis are calling for exterminating the Pallies from within their borders (pre- or post- 1967).

    However quite a few Palestinian Arabs would like nothing more than to eradicate the Jews (and Christians) from the Levant.

    IMHO, it is a case of "might makes right", and since Israel holds the whip hand, they get to dictate who may live within their borders, and determine where those borders fall.

    And they have both the conventional and the nuclear moxie to back up their claims, should any other of their less-than-friendly neighbours decide to intervene.

    Which they generally won't on account of they don't care *that* much over the lot of a group of dispossessed Arabs that they wouldn't want straining their local economies.

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    Mar 18, 2011 3:20 PM GMT
    I think turning this into an israel thread derails the discussion of how disgusting these authoritarian regimes are and the tendency to either try and mediate our knowledge of what's happening exclusively through israel. Really, israel shouldn't even be a part of the discussion here. As they say on the Food Network, "that's another show".
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    Mar 18, 2011 4:24 PM GMT
    You need any more threads at all. Neither of you has said anything new in months and anything that does occur to you would fit into one of the dozens of existing (already redundant) threads

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    three four shut the door,
    five six, pick up sticks,
    seven eight, close the gate,
    nine ten, start over agaiiiiiin!
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    Mar 18, 2011 10:29 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidit is a case of "might makes right", and since Israel holds the whip hand, they get to dictate who may live within their borders, and determine where those borders fall. And they have both the conventional and the nuclear moxie to back up their claims, should any other of their less-than-friendly neighbours decide to intervene.

    Interesting comment, and yet despite Israel having the "might" these last few decades, it is the Arab parties that still attempt to use force (and then cry a river when their attacks are defeated, claiming they are the "victims" of "aggression"), while Israel has and continues to wait for peace partners at the negotiating table.


    How idiotic is it that someone can consider the Jarring letter as a "famous milestone" (I suggest you actually read Rabin's memoir rather than quote the dishonest Chomsky. Then tell us how many pages apart the two words are) while claiming that the much more detailed and comprehensive Madrid and Oslo AGREEMENT were failures.

    p> I could tell you much about Yitzhak Rabin's "memoirs"....

    If you can't tell us how many pages apart the word "famous" and "milestone" are (which you and Chomsky mis-quote as "famous milestone") then it appears that you haven't read the book and don't know anything beyond your hack cut-and-paste spam propaganda jobs that no one finds credible.


    p1> Egypt's reply to Jarring's initiative was 'that she was prepared to end the state of war but not to sign a treaty with Israel'.

    p2> "Prime Minister [Golda Meir] admitted that Sadat was 'the first Egyptian leader to say that he was ready to make peace'"

    Illogical pouncer, of course, can't discern the self-contradiction above.

    The problem in 1971 was that Israel was being asked to make real concessions... without as much as a peace treaty in return. Sadat still refused to even meet with Israel let alone negotiate terms. Israel had to comply with a list of ransom demands, and with no peace treaty in sight, only an ambiguous "hudna".

    The other reality pouncer can't comprehend is that by this time Egypt was already planning its 1973 attack on Israel, and it was not long before Sadat would abandon even the litte he might have been willing to do on the peace front.

    Note further that by 1971, Israel had already been waiting 23 years for an Arab peace partner.
    It would have to wait half-a-dozen more years, until Sadat would lose his air force an nearly an entire army.


    p> Israel accepted in 1977 the same deal it refused to sign with Egypt in 1971. What could explain this? The fact that Israel got its nose bloodied by Egypt in the Yom Kippur War in 1973. In the end the Egyptians were pushed back , but there were no more Israeli jokes about how pathetic Egyptian soldiers were ("leaving their shoes in the desert" in 1967 as Kissinger liked to put it).

    It's nice that you can form coherent sentences, unlike sxydrkhair and ianct, but when it comes to logic and coherent thought you come across just as retarded as they are.

    What changed between 1971 and 1977 was the establishment of Israel's complete military superiority (the poor quality of the Egyptian infantry in 1973 was no better than in 1967), the accomplishment of an actual peace treaty, and American assurances.


    So explain to us, again and this time sensibly, why you avoid one topic, the "Yalla, Peace!" one - detailing a Palestinian Arab peace plan. Scared to comment and expose that you are against that, too, just as you are against Oslo, the Clinton compromise and compromise itself?!

    pouncer> Maybe I should make threads about the "peace plan" supported by President Barack Obama (the 2002 Saudi plan)? Or the settlement proposals made by several prominent Israelis (like former Jerusalem deputy mayor Meron Benvenisti, or perhaps journalists like Gideon Levy and Uri Avnery)? I'm sure we'd see immediately your interest in "peace" in the Middle East all but vanish.

    Bunk. I wouldn't "boycott" such a topic, I'd show the shortcomings and inadequacies of these "peace plans" (for example, the refusal of the Saudis to meet with Israeli officials to negotiate the "Saudi plan").

    We're left scratching our heads wondering why, for months, you've avoided the "Yalla, Peace!" topic. If there's something objectionable about it, tell us what.

    Despite your shilling, the transparent reality is that your objection isn't to any details of the plan or even the plan itself.
    It's making peace with the Jewish state that you can't stomach.
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    Mar 18, 2011 10:33 PM GMT
    note how quickly "pouncer" has abandoned Bahrain and turned this into another Israel topic.

    p> c4 accuses me of "turning" a topic whose header begins with the word "Israel" into a thread about - Israel!

    Fountains> I think turning this into an israel thread derails the discussion of how disgusting these authoritarian regimes are


    BACK TO BAHRAIN:

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    Caesarea4 said note how quickly "pouncer" has abandoned Bahrain and turned this into another Israel topic.

    p> c4 accuses me of "turning" a topic whose header begins with the word "Israel" into a thread about - Israel!

    Fountains> I think turning this into an israel thread derails the discussion of how disgusting these authoritarian regimes are


    Umm, no. You and the rest of Zionist propagandists are the one started so-called "Israel" thread. Pouncer hasn't say anything until he read the header that said "Israel" that have nothing to do with Bahrain.

    We're somewhat in agreement here as I don't yet understand the relationship between Bahrain and Israel in any context other than Bahrain bars its total population of about 36 Jews (formerly 1,500) from visiting Israel, though in exchange for a trade agreement with the U.S. Bahrain dropped its boycott of Israeli products - facts I was unaware of until I was both inspired and forced to research Bahrain given the abject disinterest by most in discussing Bahrain on both "Bahrain" threads. While I've yet to be expert in or passionate about Bahrain at least it's now on my radar, not because of any Palestinian-Israeli connection but because of its current internal politics and evolving relations with its Islamic neighbors, which I hope will be the focus of future commentary on this thread.
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    Mar 19, 2011 4:16 PM GMT
    On and on pouncer goes, but the study of his dishonesty spans any topic title:

    How idiotic is it that someone can consider the Jarring letter as a "famous milestone" (I suggest you actually read Rabin's memoir rather than quote the dishonest Chomsky. Then tell us how many pages apart the two words are) while claiming that the much more detailed and comprehensive Madrid and Oslo AGREEMENT were failures.

    p> Chomsky's quote provided ellipses - much like you often do.

    Odd, then, that your cut-and-paste spam propaganda, like most of your poor quality web sites, left out the ellipses.

    That I (legitimately) use ellipses does little to excuse Chomsky (and your) hack job of quoting TWO WORDS, used pages apart, and stringing them together as if the author had said what you misleadingly quoted.

    Make no mistake about it. Chomsky's intent, like pouncer's, is to MISLEAD the reader with a false "quote".
    (Not a one-of-a-kind, either. Chomsky is the original source of the doctored Dayan/Technion "quote".)
    That pouncer attempts to justify this, as if it is no different than normal use of ellipses, is another lie-for-the-cause.

    Wait, there's more: in his original article, Chomsky did NOT use ellipses when he "quoted" "famous milestone".
    So even pouncer's assurance that Chomsky's "quote" had ellipses is itself another lie!!
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    Mar 19, 2011 5:21 PM GMT
    pouncer> Looks like you either lacked recourse to the original article, or worse sought to mislead this forum.

    ROTFL.

    From the very same page that pouncer links, look what pouncer - as can be expected of this idiotic shill - left out:

    http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199310--.htm
    the facts have been "vetoed" along with numerous peace initiatives, buried deep in the memory hole together with Sadat's "famous milestone" and much else that is inconvenient.

    So here we have the alleged "world's leading intellectual" (something so preposterous that even pouncer puts it in scare quotes) quoting two words that appeared pages apart... without even as much as using ellipses (and even if he had, it would still be wrong). Which is why people who know what they are talking about, unlike the clueless, ignorant, unprincipled and illogical pouncer, don't respect Chomsky when he delves outside his field of expertise (likewise, there is no legitimate excuse for his leaving out a critical sentence in a Dayan "quote", thus reversing what Dayan actually said).

    Consider further the circular argument (and reversal of the scientific method). Pouncer doesn't quote Chomsky because he's an expert in the field (as we can see, he's at best ignorant and at worst intentionally dishonest) but because he says what pouncer wants to hear - he confirms (or rather echoes) the false notions pouncer wants to believe (damn the real facts).