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    Mar 19, 2011 5:12 AM GMT
    Yeah, all plastics leach something. I tossed my original Nalgene and replaced it with a Kleen Kanteen. I still use Ziploc plastic containers to pack my daily lunch, but I'll be replacing those with glass containers eventually. At home, I use glass cups as much as possible. Or I only drink cold drinks from plastic tumblers. At this point in my life, it probably won't make much of a difference. I'm sure the damage is done. But for children and younger people, I think going BPA-free is important.
  • mybud

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    Mar 19, 2011 5:22 AM GMT
    Long ago I started reheating my food on glass plates and bowls...I believe it's a valid concern...BUD
  • mikey_101

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    Mar 21, 2011 9:10 AM GMT
    Plastics are realy bad for our health.....

    if you are concerned for health, I would also stop miscrowaving your food.... irradiation kills all the nutrient content.
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    Mar 21, 2011 9:51 AM GMT
    mikey_101 saidPlastics are realy bad for our health.....

    if you are concerned for health, I would also stop miscrowaving your food.... irradiation kills all the nutrient content.


    microwave does not irradiate food, its 'radiation level' (or electromagnetic frequency) is lower than than of infrared which is what an electric stove/oven would use which in turn, is lower than visible light icon_rolleyes.gif

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  • mikey_101

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    Mar 21, 2011 10:18 AM GMT
    "A microwave oven works by passing non-ionizing microwave radiation, usually at a frequency of 2.45 gigahertz (GHz)—a wavelength of 122 millimetres (4.80 in)—through the food"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven

    "[edit] Effects on food and nutrients..............Microwave ovens do convert vitamin B12 from the active to inactive form, making approximately 30-40% of the B12 contained in foods unusable by mammals.[18]"
    http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf970670x


    Microwave ovens use AC radiation..... not DC like 'natural' heat or light sources.

    Meta: you cannot compaire apples with oranges.

    "Dr. Hertel was the first scientist to conceive and carry out a quality clinical study on the effects microwaved nutrients have on the blood and physiology of the human body. His small but well controlled study showed the degenerative force produced in microwave ovens and the food processed in them. The scientific conclusion showed that microwave cooking changed the nutrients in the food; and, changes took place in the participants' blood that could cause deterioration in the human system. Hertel's scientific study was done along with Dr. Bernard H. Blanc of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and the University Institute for Biochemistry.
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    "Carcinogens in microwaved food
    In Dr. Lita Lee's book, Health Effects of Microwave Radiation - Microwave Ovens, and in the March and September 1991 issues of Earthletter, she stated that every microwave oven leaks electro-magnetic radiation, harms food, and converts substances cooked in it to dangerous organ-toxic and carcinogenic products. Further research summarized in this article reveal that microwave ovens are far more harmful than previously imagined.

    The following is a summary of the Russian investigations published by the Atlantis Raising Educational Center in Portland, Oregon. Carcinogens were formed in virtually all foods tested. No test food was subjected to more microwaving than necessary to accomplish the purpose, i.e., cooking, thawing, or heating to insure sanitary ingestion.

    Here's a summary of some of the results:



    Microwaving prepared meats sufficiently to insure sanitary ingestion caused formation of d-Nitrosodienthanolamines, a well-known carcinogen.



    Microwaving milk and cereal grains converted some of their amino acids into carcinogens.



    Thawing frozen fruits converted their glucoside and galactoside containing fractions into carcinogenic substances.



    Extremely short exposure of raw, cooked or frozen vegetables converted their plant alkaloids into carcinogens.



    Carcinogenic free radicals were formed in microwaved plants, especially root vegetables.



    Decrease in nutritional value


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    http://www.health-science.com/microwave_hazards.html










  • mikey_101

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    Mar 21, 2011 10:51 AM GMT
    Sorry to hijack the thread, but I think these are both important issues.

    We are being slowly poisoned by the chemicals leaching out of plastics - directly by consuming foods that have come into contact with plastics.... and in a wider sense that the food chain is being bombarded on so many levels that its almost impossible to avoid now.

    Couple this with microwaving, or raditing food, we are left with a very nutrient poor sources of food.


    These are extremely important issues for humanity as a whole - we are being slowly poisoned here.

    Nutrition is something close to the hearts of health concious people on this forum.... why would you choose to remove nutrients from your (already nutrient depleted)food just for the sake of convenience?

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    Mar 21, 2011 11:35 PM GMT
    omg it is dangerous when people don't know science and use pseudo science to make an educated guess.. do you even know what non-ionizing radiation is???

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    they're the totally safe non radical producing energy, any invisible heat or even fire or fm radio is considered non-ionizing radiation.. please stop your ignorant fear mongering from just getting excited by key words in scientific terminology. radiation in physics strictly means the measure of frequency not radioactivity which is totally different ball game and at the extreme end of the spectrum.



    and here's the hint EVERY type of cooking changes chemical structure. the basis of a chemical reaction is conversion of energy. either energy is needed or given off in order for it to take place.. this is why your food changes or 'cooks' when you heat it.



    and your same Wikipedia source tells me

    Microwaves do not contain sufficient energy to chemically change substances by ionization, and so are an example of nonionizing radiation. The word "radiation" refers to the fact that energy can radiate. The term in this context is not to be confused with radioactivity. It has not been shown conclusively that microwaves (or other nonionizing electromagnetic radiation) have significant adverse biological effects at low levels. Some but not all studies suggest that long-term exposure may have a carcinogenic effect.[9] This is separate from the risks associated with very high intensity exposure, which can cause heating and burns like any heat source, and not a unique property of microwaves specifically.

    By your logic we should be more carcinogenic if we heat food on a bonfire because fire is much much much more higher in the 'radiation' frequency that you are so scared about.

    but honestly I don't source my arguments from Wikipedia, I actually studied science.
  • mikey_101

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    Mar 22, 2011 11:23 AM GMT
    I'm glad you have studied science......

    I also use intuition..... intuition tells me that plastics are bad for our health.
    Intuition tells me that microwaving food is bad for our health.

    This is my opinion, and I am entitled to it.

    I'm glad you picked up the wikipedia refrence... an easy target. Yet ignore the other, 'science' based article.

    'Science' is there to find the answers that big business want. Who funds reaserch?



    p.s. I studied accoustics if we need to flaunt our education/indoctronation.









    Indeed we divert from the OP.

    Plastics invade every aspect of life. They are intrinsic to modern life, but breakdown in many diffrent ways that produce lots of harmfull chemicals.

    I firmly believe we are being poisoned slowly.