Apple app to turn you straight?

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    Mar 19, 2011 5:39 PM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/18/apple-exodus-international-app_n_837698.html

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    Mar 19, 2011 6:49 PM GMT
    Okay, I will bite. I fall on the side of free speech on this and don't think Apple should block the app from being published because Exodus International are a bunch of clowns.

    It would be one thing if Apple were allowing apps like this to pass through while denying LGBT apps. But there is an HRC app, Out Magazine has an app and about 530 apps that come up when you search for phone apps using the term "gay".

    As for Apple itself they have a pretty solid record on gay rights, or at least I tend to think they do.

    They openly opposed Prop 8 and donated money to the No on 8 campaign.

    http://www.osnews.com/story/20432/Google_Apple_Openly_Support_Fight_Against_Proposition_8_


    AppleApple is publicly opposing Proposition 8 and making a donation of USD 100000 to the No on 8 campaign. Apple was among the first California companies to offer equal rights and benefits to our employees' same-sex partners, and we strongly believe that a person's fundamental rights - including the right to marry - should not be affected by their sexual orientation. Apple views this as a civil rights issue, rather than just a political issue, and is therefore speaking out publicly against Proposition 8.


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    Mar 19, 2011 7:26 PM GMT
    MonkeyPuck saidOkay, I will bite. I fall on the side of free speech on this and don't think Apple should block the app from being published because Exodus International are a bunch of clowns.

    It would be one thing if Apple were allowing apps like this to pass through while denying LGBT apps. But there is an HRC app, Out Magazine has an app and about 530 apps that come up when you search for phone apps using the term "gay".

    As for Apple itself they have a pretty solid record on gay rights, or at least I tend to think they do.

    They openly opposed Prop 8 and donated money to the No on 8 campaign.

    +1
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    Mar 19, 2011 7:43 PM GMT
    Apple and Free Speech do not go together. If anybody does not realize this already then they've been living under a rock.
    Apple's philosophy in general is one of a culture of control and this has carried over into their app store as well.

    Jobs Rewrites History About Apple Ban on Satire

    Apple’s Gay Culture Bans Don’t Make it ‘Moral’ or ‘Pure’

    They openly opposed Prop 8 and donated money to the No on 8 campaign.

    They also censored Lada Gaga's pro-gay marriage tweets:

    Why Is Apple Censoring Lady Gaga's Twitter Celebration Of Prop 8's Defeat?

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    Mar 19, 2011 8:10 PM GMT
    Anto saidApple and Free Speech do not go together. If anybody does not realize this already then they've been living under a rock.
    Apple's philosophy in general is one of a culture of control and this has carried over into their app store as well.

    Jobs Rewrites History About Apple Ban on Satire

    Apple’s Gay Culture Bans Don’t Make it ‘Moral’ or ‘Pure’

    They openly opposed Prop 8 and donated money to the No on 8 campaign.

    They also censored Lada Gaga's pro-gay marriage tweets:

    Why Is Apple Censoring Lady Gaga's Twitter Celebration Of Prop 8's Defeat?



    Please read my post. I said that I come down on the side of free speech. This may surprise you but I am not Apple. I made no claims with respect to Apple and free speech. I said I don't have a problem with the Exodus app being in the App store because I think it falls under free speech. I also pointed out that they don't seem to have an issue with pro-gay apps being published as there are well over 500 of them.

    Have I always agreed with Apple's decisions to reject some apps? No.

    The last link about banning Lady GaGas Twitter feed is just wrong. The site you linked to doesn't seem to understand the difference between Twitter and Ping. They are not the same thing and one is not a duplicate of the other. So comparing what is said in the feed of one with the feed of the other doesn't make any sense.


    *Update on the Ping/Twitter thing: About a month after the article you linked to was written it was announced that you could sync your Twitter and Ping feeds. A quick look at Lady Ga Ga's Ping feed and Twitter feed shows that they aren't synced at all as they have entirely different content.

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    Mar 19, 2011 8:52 PM GMT
    I also pointed out that they don't seem to have an issue with pro-gay apps being published as there are well over 500 of them.

    I'm not saying you are Apple or against the idea of free speech, just that in regard to Apple they are not supportive of it.
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    Mar 19, 2011 8:56 PM GMT
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    MonkeyPuck saidOkay, I will bite. I fall on the side of free speech on this and don't think Apple should block the app from being published because Exodus International are a bunch of clowns.

    It would be one thing if Apple were allowing apps like this to pass through while denying LGBT apps. But there is an HRC app, Out Magazine has an app and about 530 apps that come up when you search for phone apps using the term "gay".

    As for Apple itself they have a pretty solid record on gay rights, or at least I tend to think they do.

    They openly opposed Prop 8 and donated money to the No on 8 campaign.

    +1

    Make that a +2
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    Mar 19, 2011 8:59 PM GMT
    Anto saidI also pointed out that they don't seem to have an issue with pro-gay apps being published as there are well over 500 of them.

    I'm not saying you are Apple or against the idea of free speech, just that in regard to Apple they are not supportive of it.


    I am not sure what that has to do with thread but whatever floats your boat. Perhaps you will fact your sources in the future rather than just link to any old rot that supports your view.
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    Mar 19, 2011 11:08 PM GMT
    If it's a free speech question, then porn apps should be approved too (which they actually should).
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    Mar 19, 2011 11:12 PM GMT
    MonkeyPuck said
    Anto saidI also pointed out that they don't seem to have an issue with pro-gay apps being published as there are well over 500 of them.

    I'm not saying you are Apple or against the idea of free speech, just that in regard to Apple they are not supportive of it.


    I am not sure what that has to do with thread but whatever floats your boat. Perhaps you will fact your sources in the future rather than just link to any old rot that supports your view.


    It was in response to your post. That's fine if the article is wrong, can you show source for it? Apple does censor and ban content (even entire apps), that's not open for debate - it has been an ongoing issue for years now. I was just trying to show some examples. The problem is Apple trying to be the moral police for it's users and acting on it by banning/censoring apps and content or even technology that it's users may want to view or use. What's worse is the arbitrary way in which it does it.

    This is will probably end up being another example of it.
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    Mar 19, 2011 11:45 PM GMT
    Anto said
    MonkeyPuck said
    Anto saidI also pointed out that they don't seem to have an issue with pro-gay apps being published as there are well over 500 of them.

    I'm not saying you are Apple or against the idea of free speech, just that in regard to Apple they are not supportive of it.


    I am not sure what that has to do with thread but whatever floats your boat. Perhaps you will fact your sources in the future rather than just link to any old rot that supports your view.


    It was in response to your post. That's fine if the article is wrong, can you show source for it? Apple does censor and ban content (even entire apps), that's not open for debate - it has been an ongoing issue for years now. I was just trying to show some examples. The problem is Apple trying to be the moral police for it's users and acting on it by banning/censoring apps and content or even technology that it's users may want to view or use. What's worse is the arbitrary way in which it does it.

    This is will probably end up being another example of it.


    I never claimed Apple didn't ban apps. In fact I stated very clearly that I have disagreed with their decision to do so. So, umm yeah it happens and it often seems like it is crap that they do so. I get that you and I see that as a problem but that isn't the topic of this thread. The topic stems from people being upset that Apple didn't ban this particular app. Ironic isn't it? So in theory we both agree that Apple shouldn't ban this App.

    I took the extra step of pointing out that Apple has in fact been supportive of gay rights and you seemed to think that was undermined by the claim that Apple censored Lady Ga Ga's twitter feed.

    As for the source on how the article is wrong, that is pretty easy and I explained it before. The article claims Apple censored Lady Ga Ga's twitter feed because her twitter feed did not match her ping feed. The problem with that claim is twitter and ping are different services offered by two different companies and are not tied to each other. You can have a twitter account and no ping account. You can have a ping account and no twitter account. They are different. So, there are things that are posted in Lady Ga Ga's twitter feed that are not in her ping feed and things in her ping feed that are not in her twitter feed. This is not censorship. This is Lady Ga Gay deciding to post different things to different feeds offered by different services. The person who wrote the article didn't know what they were talking about. It really is that simple.
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    Mar 20, 2011 12:41 AM GMT
    An Apple employee's personal views do not reflect those of the company.
  • Anto

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    Apr 22, 2011 5:27 PM GMT
    MonkeyPuck said
    As for the source on how the article is wrong, that is pretty easy and I explained it before. The article claims Apple censored Lady Ga Ga's twitter feed because her twitter feed did not match her ping feed. The problem with that claim is twitter and ping are different services offered by two different companies and are not tied to each other.


    Ok so you don't have a source.
    It was part of Apple's promo about the service itself (Ping). It had her Twitter posts listed in it except the pro-gay marriage parts.
    Apple Hides Prop 8 Tweets from Lady Gaga Promo Page for Ping (Screenshots)
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    Apr 22, 2011 5:29 PM GMT
    A1EX saidAn Apple employee's personal views do not reflect those of the company.


    What do you mean?