Gay Immigration...

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    Mar 22, 2011 1:01 AM GMT
    http://www.stopthedeportations.com/

    This lawyer is attempting to block all deportations of same-sex couples that are binational (one a resident of the U.S. and another is not).

    This means that same-sex couples can sponsor their partners into the country for citizenship, just like straight couples.

    If DOMA is repealed, this would become official!


    Thoughts?
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    Mar 22, 2011 10:11 AM GMT
    I have spent the past 20+ years living with an American, and we have no intentions of calling America home, so it's of no issue to us. I can also stay in the US for 3 months at a time without a visa, and thats enough too.
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    Mar 22, 2011 10:26 AM GMT
    Why is US citizenship such a big deal?? There is no state provided health care - which is the biggest reason not to live in USA. If you fall seriously sick you are dead in the US unless you can afford to pay $600 a month in insurance premiums - even then you aren't fully covered. It's ridiculous... then there is such a serious lack of human rights in USA... but they give everyone a right to own a Firearm and kill each other. The economy is awful right now and so unsafe to invest in the US and despite all the economic problems your country keeps going to war everywhere. America also has the highest number of people in prisons.
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    Mar 22, 2011 10:49 AM GMT
    Voyageur22 saidWhy is US citizenship such a big deal?? There is no state provided health care - which is the biggest reason not to live in USA. If you fall seriously sick you are dead in the US unless you can afford to pay $600 a month in insurance premiums - even then you aren't fully covered. It's ridiculous... then there is such a serious lack of human rights in USA... but they give everyone a right to own a Firearm and kill each other. The economy is awful right now and so unsafe to invest in the US and despite all the economic problems your country keeps going to war everywhere. America also has the highest number of people in prisons.


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    Mar 22, 2011 4:36 PM GMT
    Well if your husband is a US Citizen, and you're getting deported...but your marriage isn't recognized...that's pretty frustrating no?
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    Mar 22, 2011 5:01 PM GMT
    Voyageur22 saidWhy is US citizenship such a big deal?? There is no state provided health care - which is the biggest reason not to live in USA. If you fall seriously sick you are dead in the US unless you can afford to pay $600 a month in insurance premiums - even then you aren't fully covered. It's ridiculous... then there is such a serious lack of human rights in USA... but they give everyone a right to own a Firearm and kill each other. The economy is awful right now and so unsafe to invest in the US and despite all the economic problems your country keeps going to war everywhere. America also has the highest number of people in prisons.


    Indeed. Why not to go to France...

    ...where it's always "toasty" warm

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    ... and the locals are so welcoming!

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    Oui oui :-0
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    Mar 22, 2011 5:21 PM GMT
    This is a great project. Too many citizen/immigrant families are being broken apart because of the DOMA.

    Immigration Equality ( http://www.immigrationequality.org/ ) is another institution that fights for the rights of gay immigrants. It was founded by the same lawyers involved in this project.

    As a community I think we should not only focus on the issue of marriage, but also on the rights of gay asylum seekers and immigrants. It's easy for us in the West to forget that most of the world actively persecutes homosexuals.
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    Mar 22, 2011 5:27 PM GMT
    jayyp15 saidThis means that same-sex couples can sponsor their partners into the country for citizenship, just like straight couples.


    It also means that the US citizen in a binational same-sex couple can sponsor his/her partner for permanent resident status (a "green card"), which would allow them to stay in the US indefinitely and work for anyone who'll hire them.

    Anti-American trolling aside, this is a good thing IMHO, as it allows loving couples to stay together despite different immigration statuses.
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    Mar 22, 2011 5:40 PM GMT
    I mean, doesn't it piss you off that why hets can sponsor their spouses but homos cannot? That's discrimination! So if you fall in love with a guy who is an alien you two have several choices:

    1. You move to his country. But what if you don't speak the language? That's a dramatic change for you.

    2. He gets a green card some other ways. But nowadays it can take a long time. This would be most ideal of course, but not all people have the capability or the resources.

    3. You guys do the long distance thing, knowing that you guys will be very far from one another.

    1 sucks for you. 2 sucks for him. 3 sucks for both of you. Homos should be able to sponsor their spouses for a green card. Anything other than that is discrimination, inequality, and injustice.
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    Mar 22, 2011 7:09 PM GMT
    Cityaznguy said1. You move to his country. But what if you don't speak the language?


    That's a pretty luxurious problem to have, all told. Remember that there are many places in the world where one can be cast out of society, beaten, or even executed for being gay. If your beloved is from one of those places then moving to his country is absolutely NOT an option.
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    Mar 22, 2011 7:16 PM GMT
    Voyageur22 saidWhy is US citizenship such a big deal?? There is no state provided health care - which is the biggest reason not to live in USA. If you fall seriously sick you are dead in the US unless you can afford to pay $600 a month in insurance premiums - even then you aren't fully covered. It's ridiculous... then there is such a serious lack of human rights in USA... but they give everyone a right to own a Firearm and kill each other. The economy is awful right now and so unsafe to invest in the US and despite all the economic problems your country keeps going to war everywhere. America also has the highest number of people in prisons.


    Indeed. But if DOMA is ever repealed it would mean America is taking a step in the right direction on at least one of their issues.
    For a long time I had wanted to relocate to the US but since learning about the many issues there I'm much happier being a Brit (though every country has it's issues).
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    Mar 22, 2011 7:19 PM GMT
    this would help so much! It's quite hard to get a citizenship in US and its even harder when you're AND hapen to like someone else who's non-American. The more options, the better. =)
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    Mar 23, 2011 1:10 PM GMT
    jayyp15 saidWell if your husband is a US Citizen, and you're getting deported...but your marriage isn't recognized...that's pretty frustrating no?


    Matey that would be devastating.
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    Mar 23, 2011 1:12 PM GMT
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    Voyageur22 saidWhy is US citizenship such a big deal?? There is no state provided health care - which is the biggest reason not to live in USA. If you fall seriously sick you are dead in the US unless you can afford to pay $600 a month in insurance premiums - even then you aren't fully covered. It's ridiculous... then there is such a serious lack of human rights in USA... but they give everyone a right to own a Firearm and kill each other. The economy is awful right now and so unsafe to invest in the US and despite all the economic problems your country keeps going to war everywhere. America also has the highest number of people in prisons.


    Indeed. Why not to go to France...

    ...where it's always "toasty" warm

    2riotAFP_468x310.jpg

    ... and the locals are so welcoming!

    france-riots-3.jpg

    Oui oui :-0


    France has not lost that reputation since the days of the Storming of the Bastille; fools.
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    Mar 23, 2011 1:38 PM GMT
    jayyp15 saidThoughts?
    A friend of mine was deported back to Brazil a couple years ago for that very reason...we couldn't get married and have the marriage recognized to keep him here.
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    Mar 23, 2011 2:05 PM GMT
    Voyageur22 saidWhy is US citizenship such a big deal?? There is no state provided health care - which is the biggest reason not to live in USA. If you fall seriously sick you are dead in the US unless you can afford to pay $600 a month in insurance premiums - even then you aren't fully covered. It's ridiculous... then there is such a serious lack of human rights in USA... but they give everyone a right to own a Firearm and kill each other. The economy is awful right now and so unsafe to invest in the US and despite all the economic problems your country keeps going to war everywhere. America also has the highest number of people in prisons.


    well said!
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    Mar 23, 2011 4:34 PM GMT
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    Voyageur22 saidWhy is US citizenship such a big deal?? There is no state provided health care - which is the biggest reason not to live in USA. If you fall seriously sick you are dead in the US unless you can afford to pay $600 a month in insurance premiums - even then you aren't fully covered. It's ridiculous... then there is such a serious lack of human rights in USA... but they give everyone a right to own a Firearm and kill each other. The economy is awful right now and so unsafe to invest in the US and despite all the economic problems your country keeps going to war everywhere. America also has the highest number of people in prisons.


    Yeah, America is so bad, we have Americans fleeing the country right and left and no problem whatsoever with illegal immigrants coming into the country. icon_rolleyes.gif


    lol, ownage.
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    Mar 23, 2011 4:37 PM GMT
    Voyageur22 saidWhy is US citizenship such a big deal?? There is no state provided health care - which is the biggest reason not to live in USA. If you fall seriously sick you are dead in the US unless you can afford to pay $600 a month in insurance premiums - even then you aren't fully covered. It's ridiculous... then there is such a serious lack of human rights in USA... but they give everyone a right to own a Firearm and kill each other. The economy is awful right now and so unsafe to invest in the US and despite all the economic problems your country keeps going to war everywhere. America also has the highest number of people in prisons.


    Your intentions are probably good. Still, your post reveals how little you know about what USA offers its citizens and why USA, however imperfect, is a great place to live.

    Inform yourself. Then comment fairly.
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    Mar 23, 2011 5:44 PM GMT
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    Voyageur22 saidWhy is US citizenship such a big deal?? There is no state provided health care - which is the biggest reason not to live in USA. If you fall seriously sick you are dead in the US unless you can afford to pay $600 a month in insurance premiums - even then you aren't fully covered. It's ridiculous... then there is such a serious lack of human rights in USA... but they give everyone a right to own a Firearm and kill each other. The economy is awful right now and so unsafe to invest in the US and despite all the economic problems your country keeps going to war everywhere. America also has the highest number of people in prisons.


    Your intentions are probably good. Still, your post reveals how little you know about what USA offers its citizens and why USA, however imperfect, is a great place to live.

    Inform yourself. Then comment fairly.


    noice rebuttle.

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    Mar 23, 2011 6:01 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Voyageur22 saidWhy is US citizenship such a big deal?? There is no state provided health care - which is the biggest reason not to live in USA. If you fall seriously sick you are dead in the US unless you can afford to pay $600 a month in insurance premiums - even then you aren't fully covered. It's ridiculous... then there is such a serious lack of human rights in USA... but they give everyone a right to own a Firearm and kill each other. The economy is awful right now and so unsafe to invest in the US and despite all the economic problems your country keeps going to war everywhere. America also has the highest number of people in prisons.


    Yeah, America is so bad, we have Americans fleeing the country right and left and no problem whatsoever with illegal immigrants coming into the country. icon_rolleyes.gif


    +1

    i was going to respond to each point, but yeah, you summarize it up pretty well
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    Mar 23, 2011 6:10 PM GMT
    jayyp15 saidhttp://www.stopthedeportations.com/

    This lawyer is attempting to block all deportations of same-sex couples that are binational (one a resident of the U.S. and another is not).

    This means that same-sex couples can sponsor their partners into the country for citizenship, just like straight couples.

    If DOMA is repealed, this would become official!

    Thoughts?

    Republicans in the US Congress are trying to enhance DOMA, to be even more restrictive. Even as it is, foreign same-sex couples cannot be acknowledged in the US, and don't have the same rights as straight couples. If gays come to the US they are considered to be single, no matter what their own country says.

    Republican Courts will never approve of this legal action. If it even gets to the US Supreme Court it will be defeated. So much ado about nothing. DOMA trumps the US Constitution, no matter what you may think, because a majority of Republican US legislators and Federal judges back it.
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    Mar 23, 2011 7:58 PM GMT
    These cases are non-starters since DOMA forbids federal recognition of SSM.

    And since immigration is a federal matter... states have little if any say about it.

    I would contend that ANY federal recognition or definition of marriage is unconstitutional, since recognition or certification of marriage is not an enumerated power, but one reserved to the many states and to the people.

    DOMA is in essence, an unconstitutional law, and if wisdom prevails amongst the justices of our SCOTUS, it will be overturned.
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    Mar 23, 2011 10:17 PM GMT
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    I would contend that ANY federal recognition or definition of marriage is unconstitutional, since recognition or certification of marriage is not an enumerated power, but one reserved to the many states and to the people.


    Contention denied. icon_lol.gif

    Fortunately, the Loving Court saw things differently. And I hope whatever Court addresses the gay marriage issue sees things differently too.
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    Mar 23, 2011 10:59 PM GMT
    Immigration in every country often brings a fair list of pro and cons and the United States is not any different from any other. The list of problems emerging the United States, especially in the past few decades, reflects these issues. In modern society, the role of same sex equality and the acknowledgement of same sex marriages is minimal and in the very least, a fight within every state, county, local town and city; however, the United States is still a destination for many couples.

    In America's federalist society, every state determines and decides on the fate of its people. This has always been a unique and very special quality of the American justice, legislative, and executive system down to the topic of marriage equality. The difficulty to have men and women of the legal courts to recognize same sex relationships is a difficult argument to establish within the confinements of American religion. Legal codes created to establish local municipalities, small towns, and procreate limit the establishment and security to same sex marriages. However, many states recognize human rights on a range of topics and issues. With the United States young, bullish, and at times, immature perspective on social issues, I strongly believe the recognition of same sex marriages will happen for all people in the future.

    On the topic of immigration, immigration is a weird conundrum of battles established in the past fifty years to limit the number of people enter without appropriate documentation. Immigration law supports the proper identification and record keeping of the federal government to secure its borders and identify the total number of people in the country. Originally, it derived from the Department of Labor to identify the number of people supporting the American economy and seeking the American dream; unfortunately, the ideal of American capitalism eroded into a mechanical ploy to push people outside of the American borders and establish an "us" and "they" perspective. It does not help that this deployment of such an ideal has been heightened with growing contention on the southern American border.

    Unfortunately, I do not have a recommendation on this topic, but simply note and believe equality will happen, but for same sex lovers, play the game safely and try your best. It's a broken system, but some people are trying to fix it.

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    Mar 24, 2011 1:14 AM GMT
    Voyageur22 saidWhy is US citizenship such a big deal??

    Yeah seriously. Millions of Mexicans are living here illegally with no problem, except in Arizona on occasion.