Curious about FUR~

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    Mar 25, 2011 3:26 PM GMT
    I know you're all hoping that I mean body hair, but I don't.


    I'm curious to know what peoples opinion is about wearing fur like the picture at the end of this post.
    This photo cause a huge uproar on the website that it was posted on, and only 2 people out of I dunno, maybe 20 so far, have been able to come up with an argument against fur that would actually convince anyone to think twice about it.

    I think it's hilarious that people replied to it saying "OMG U R DISGUSTING. GO VEGAN!!!!!!!" and "I'm a vegetarian and this offends me." as if he's going to care what they think. The whole point of it is the shock value, wearing something that you KNOW will get 2 complete opposite reactions (LOVE IT or HATE IT) and nothing in between.

    My opinion on subject matter such as this is that you either need an argument that you know will convince someone to change their mind, or you need to shut up and go home because you're just fueling the flames and giving them exactly what they want.


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    Mar 25, 2011 3:48 PM GMT
    Love it!

    I'm a big advocate for animal testing. Unfortunately, it's more ethical to test on animals as opposed to death row inmates. So, we might as well do something with the remains. It's kind of like organ or body donation. Researchers pay top dollar for live subject testing; think of it as economical stimulation.
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    Mar 25, 2011 3:59 PM GMT
    I would never support actively killing animals for fashion, however there are countless amounts of fur accessories and fashion items from the past still in circulation.

    If someone really really needs that piece of animal skin hanging off them to make them feel special, why not recycle like we do with everything else?

    I don't especially agree with PETA supporters - fur is fine as long as it's a product that was manufactured before the time of activism. Many PETA supporters go out and burn even the old stuff, from the 30's and 40's etc.

    If they were smarter, they would leave all the items made of animal fur in vintage/retro/collectible circulation to stop further killing for furs.
  • swedeinusa

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    Mar 25, 2011 4:24 PM GMT
    Not for fashion, fur should not be used for fashion. There are so many other fake or faux alternatives icon_sad.gif But I do wear fur, but I only wear it for practical purposes. I have this awesome fur lined coat my grandpa gave me when I was 17 and I wear it whenever I go back up north or I have to brave the frigid air of Sweden. The only purpose fur should have in clothing is boosting up heat containment or warmth.

    But for that photo, hanging a dead fox over your shoulder is so useless. What semblance of practical warmth is that going to give you?!
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    Mar 25, 2011 4:40 PM GMT
    swedeinmiami saidNot for fashion, fur should not be used for fashion. There are so many other fake or faux alternatives icon_sad.gif But I do wear fur, but I only wear it for practical purposes. I have this awesome fur lined coat my grandpa gave me when I was 17 and I wear it whenever I go back up north or I have to brave the frigid air of Sweden. The only purpose fur should have in clothing is boosting up heat containment or warmth.

    But for that photo, hanging a dead fox over your shoulder is so useless. What semblance of practical warmth is that going to give you?!


    There you go. Like I said, old, vintage clothing should be treasured and re-used. A fur-lined coat from your grandpa is, in my opinion, priceless!

    However that photo of a girl wearing the carcass of a fox is bizarre. My pet dog hangs over me like that for comfort, but I don't wear him as fashion...

    ???
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    Mar 25, 2011 4:41 PM GMT
    swedeinmiami saidThere are so many other fake or faux alternatives icon_sad.gif

    But for that photo, hanging a dead fox over your shoulder is so useless. What semblance of practical warmth is that going to give you?!

    Faux alternatives don't come with a head and a tail.

    I think it's totally fierce and looks amazing which is the same reason as anyone would wear any piece of clothing that isn't practical.
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    Mar 25, 2011 4:42 PM GMT
    cronker saidHowever that photo of a girl wearing the carcass of a fox is bizarre. My pet dog hangs over me like that for comfort, but I don't wear him as fashion...

    ???

    First of all, that's not a girl.

    Secondly, your pet dog is different than a wild fox. Hence the terms "pet" and "wild".
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    Mar 25, 2011 4:46 PM GMT
    cronker saidI would never support actively killing animals for fashion, however there are countless amounts of fur accessories and fashion items from the past still in circulation.

    If someone really really needs that piece of animal skin hanging off them to make them feel special, why not recycle like we do with everything else?

    I don't especially agree with PETA supporters - fur is fine as long as it's a product that was manufactured before the time of activism. Many PETA supporters go out and burn even the old stuff, from the 30's and 40's etc.

    If they were smarter, they would leave all the items made of animal fur in vintage/retro/collectible circulation to stop further killing for furs.

    I agree completely.
    I doubt anybody within the past 20 years has actually gone out and killed a fox to wear around their neck, so it's quite obvious that it's a vintage piece, and therefore should not be treated as if the person went out and killed the fox themselves.

    Honestly, the photo inspired me to want to find a vintage fox of my own. I think vintage fur looks amazing as long as it isn't one of those ugly full-length coats.
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    Mar 25, 2011 4:50 PM GMT
    _ADA said
    Faux alternatives don't come with a head and a tail.

    I think it's totally fierce and looks amazing which is the same reason as anyone would wear any piece of clothing that isn't practical.


    I'm so confused as to why people would want to have the head attached. Do they gain some pleasure from glancing to the side and seeing Mr.Foxy's face hanging beside them? All I advocate for his practicality when using fur; and if not practicality and moreso for looking 'fierce', at least keep the death humane

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    Mar 25, 2011 4:51 PM GMT
    swedeinmiami saidI'm so confused as to why people would want to have the head attached. Do they gain some pleasure from glancing to the side and seeing Mr.Foxy's face hanging beside them? All I advocate for his practicality when using fur; and if not practicality and moreso for looking 'fierce', at least keep the death humane

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    But who's to say the death of that fox wasn't humane? Nobody knows where it actually came from.
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    Mar 25, 2011 4:57 PM GMT
    _ADA said
    But who's to say the death of that fox wasn't humane? Nobody knows where it actually came from.


    I'm speaking for all fur in general. I guiltily admit I have picked up my fair share of PETA magazines while in the dentist's office, and the conditions in which most of these animals are killed are far from humane. Skinning alive, clubbed to death...admittedly I know PETA has bias but you can't fake some of those reports. As for that fox, I highly doubt Giorgio Armana was taking a jaunty stroll in the park, came across a naturally dead fox, and used it as his next piece. I'm not whole-fully against fur, I desire to keep most fur usage for practical purposes and if it is used in fashion, then at least keep the animal's death civil and humane.
  • Timbales

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    Mar 25, 2011 4:57 PM GMT
    IMO, if you eat the flesh of the animal, then feel free to wear it's hide.
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    Mar 25, 2011 5:00 PM GMT
    It's dead. ...make some use of it
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    Mar 25, 2011 5:06 PM GMT
    Personally, I wouldn't wear the ugly thing.
    I grew up around hunting and the argument my Dad always used was that the animals needed to be managed to prevent over population, which leads to starvation and disease. I also was vegan for a number of years and firmly believe in animal rights. So, I'm slightly conflicted. It's ugly, that's for sure, and no one should ever wear anything that ugly.
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    Mar 25, 2011 5:20 PM GMT
    MnKid84 saidPersonally, I wouldn't wear the ugly thing.
    I grew up around hunting and the argument my Dad always used was that the animals needed to be managed to prevent over population, which leads to starvation and disease. I also was vegan for a number of years and firmly believe in animal rights. So, I'm slightly conflicted. It's ugly, that's for sure, and no one should ever wear anything that ugly.

    I don't think it's ugly at all.

    I think it has a similar taste to Rick Genest's tattoos:
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    A tribute to the beauty of death.
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    Mar 25, 2011 5:21 PM GMT
    The problem is not genuinely about wearing the poor thing - it's already dead, anyway - but the fact that as a fashion object, it will create a need in the industry, and they will still kill the fox to create new fashion accessories.

    Our ancesters used to kill animals to survive, from food starving to cold seasons. That was somehow meant to be and acceptable. But in a society were we can produce synthetic fur (and why not, animal head imitations, if you really "need" it... ), I just think it's totally "human" (not in the good way) to kill species for reasons as stupid as being remarked in a fashion event.

    All in all, it really grosses me out.
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    Mar 25, 2011 5:22 PM GMT
    swedeinmiami said
    _ADA said
    But who's to say the death of that fox wasn't humane? Nobody knows where it actually came from.


    I'm speaking for all fur in general. I guiltily admit I have picked up my fair share of PETA magazines while in the dentist's office, and the conditions in which most of these animals are killed are far from humane. Skinning alive, clubbed to death...admittedly I know PETA has bias but you can't fake some of those reports. As for that fox, I highly doubt Giorgio Armana was taking a jaunty stroll in the park, came across a naturally dead fox, and used it as his next piece. I'm not whole-fully against fur, I desire to keep most fur usage for practical purposes and if it is used in fashion, then at least keep the animal's death civil and humane.

    Yeah, I fully agree with keeping death humane, but if you have a vintage fur piece from before the 1950s you're not exactly supporting the modern fur industry.
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    Mar 25, 2011 5:27 PM GMT
    Disasterpiece saidThe problem is not genuinely about wearing the poor thing - it's already dead, anyway - but the fact that as a fashion object, it will create a need in the industry, and they will still kill the fox to create new fashion accessories.

    Our ancesters used to kill animals to survive, from food starving to cold seasons. That was somehow meant to be and acceptable. But in a society were we can produce synthetic fur (and why not, animal head imitations, if you really "need" it... ), I just think it's totally "human" (not in the good way) to kill species for reasons as stupid as being remarked in a fashion event.

    All in all, it really grosses me out.

    I don't see why it should create a demand for new fur, because if it's not vintage it takes away the "cool" factor to it, because no, I don't agree with inhumane treatment of animals (e.g. skinning alive) but I firmly believe that people need to calm the fuck down.

    Corpses freak me out too but I literally just ordered a vintage silver fox stole (with head, tail, legs and all) on ebay just so that I can piss people off by wearing it.

    I would totally want a faux fur stole if it had replica body parts too.
  • disasterpiece

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    Mar 25, 2011 5:30 PM GMT
    itsivan saidIt's dead. ...make some use of it


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    This beautiful and warm blanket was made of Jew hair during the Holocaust. Following your argument, as those Jews were dead anyway, you would have no problem with going to bed under those blankets ?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not comparing Jews to foxes here, but just showing how your "it's dead anyway" argument is invalid.
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    Mar 25, 2011 5:35 PM GMT
    _ADA said
    Disasterpiece saidThe problem is not genuinely about wearing the poor thing - it's already dead, anyway - but the fact that as a fashion object, it will create a need in the industry, and they will still kill the fox to create new fashion accessories.

    Our ancesters used to kill animals to survive, from food starving to cold seasons. That was somehow meant to be and acceptable. But in a society were we can produce synthetic fur (and why not, animal head imitations, if you really "need" it... ), I just think it's totally "human" (not in the good way) to kill species for reasons as stupid as being remarked in a fashion event.

    All in all, it really grosses me out.

    I don't see why it should create a demand for new fur, because if it's not vintage it takes away the "cool" factor to it, because no, I don't agree with inhumane treatment of animals (e.g. skinning alive) but I firmly believe that people need to calm the fuck down.

    Corpses freak me out too but I literally just ordered a vintage silver fox stole (with head, tail, legs and all) on ebay just so that I can piss people off by wearing it.

    I would totally want a faux fur stole if it had replica body parts too.


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    Calm the fuck down, really ?

    Tell me, what's the exact difference with a 20 years old fur and a fresh one ? Except the fact that the 20 years old one might be a little more "used", there's no one.

    And you and I both know the fashion world is crazy enough to actually CARE about wearing real fur instead of synthetic. "Eww, synthetic ! Please, fashion industry, go kill me some brand new scarf" say that tall blond bitch.
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    Mar 25, 2011 5:53 PM GMT
    Disasterpiece saidCalm the fuck down, really ?

    Tell me, what's the exact difference with a 20 years old fur and a fresh one ? Except the fact that the 20 years old one might be a little more "used", there's no one.

    And you and I both know the fashion world is crazy enough to actually CARE about wearing real fur instead of synthetic. "Eww, synthetic ! Please, fashion industry, go kill me some brand new scarf" say that tall blond bitch.

    Is this suddenly the PETA post?

    Vintage purchases can inspire modern apparel but actually purchasing vintage isn't sending your money to the people who killed the animal.

    We also both know that Karl Lagerfeld is one of the very few designers that is crazy enough to dare to use real fur nowadays so it's not exactly going to become mainstream anytime soon.
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    Mar 25, 2011 5:58 PM GMT
    Oh and I would like to point out that I think everything and everyone should just fucking die anyways.
    The end of the world would be a glorious event for me.

    So my views are biased.
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    Mar 25, 2011 6:40 PM GMT
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    MnKid84 saidPersonally, I wouldn't wear the ugly thing.
    I grew up around hunting and the argument my Dad always used was that the animals needed to be managed to prevent over population, which leads to starvation and disease. I also was vegan for a number of years and firmly believe in animal rights. So, I'm slightly conflicted. It's ugly, that's for sure, and no one should ever wear anything that ugly.

    I don't think it's ugly at all.

    I think it has a similar taste to Rick Genest's tattoos:
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    A tribute to the beauty of death.


    Personal expression is unique to all of us and, to a quote a cliche, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Both are very interesting, though the tattoos are a tad bit more extreme than wearing a dead fox as an accessory in my opinion.
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    Mar 25, 2011 6:42 PM GMT
    _ADA saidOh and I would like to point out that I think everything and everyone should just fucking die anyways.
    The end of the world would be a glorious event for me.

    So my views are biased.


    Wow.
  • vindog

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    Mar 25, 2011 6:51 PM GMT


    Faux fur made from petroleum (non-renewable resource, war, environmental destruction)

    vs

    Animal fur (renewable resource, animals potentially treated inhumanely)



    They still have yet to make a faux fur that works as well as real fur.





    I own neither....so......