Off with the pretenses: “Social conservatism is fiscal conservatism.”

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    Mar 28, 2011 12:25 AM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/27/social-conservatives-economy-iowa-2012_n_841166.html

    How is the Republicans' stance any different from the Calvinists? Or the WBC, for that matter?
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    Mar 28, 2011 12:58 AM GMT
    They really are not different ! The more I read of what is coming to the forefront within these Republican Presidential forums it is religion. (god and the bible "values") some of our republican members here keep saying, well all of the Presidential hopefulls aren't like Huckabee. No they are not exactly like him but they are very very close and many who influence them and support them are even worse than Huckabee.

    These people want everyone to believe as they do in government and rule accordingly, because they firmly believe that our country will not be blessed or prosper, and natural disasters will follow. Guys, this belief system is a dangerous road to go down and voting republican will forward such beliefs a little at a time, through deal making and such, even from the more moderate repubs, because they want this voting block's votes.

    They believe it their biblical and god fearing duty to influence politics their way, I recently heard a preacher who agreed with Hagee that it is America's duty to go along with whatever Israel wants, because its bible prophecy fulfillment to do so and they list natural disasters that have happened when the US for instance pushed Israel to stop settlements or return land. No joke !!! They were serious !!!! That's fucked up isn't it !!!!

    Religion combined with Government is like the atom to a bomb, dangerous !!!! The repubs with their Tbaggers, and far right religious PAC's are intent on bring their GOP back to god and the Country with it, Surely our gay repubs should look at this trend and be very cautious about voting republican going forward if this trend continues.
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    Mar 28, 2011 1:32 AM GMT
    Well righties? how are ya gonna defend this? if it walks like a duck......
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    Mar 28, 2011 1:49 AM GMT
    The Democrats have never learned the importance of Sun Tzu.

    "I will force the enemy to take our strength for weakness, and our weakness for strength, and thus will turn his strength into weakness."

    The weakness turned into strength here is the blatant disregard for their "mandate" (if there was one to start with) to fix the economy, and the ongoing moral legislation.

    If Bachmann is right, and fiscal conservatism = economic success, Uganda and Portugal, with their strong social conservative cultures, should be the most economically successful countries in the world.
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    Mar 28, 2011 1:49 AM GMT
    I see it as the Social Cons/fundamentalists' last gasp.

    The typical generation cohort of the social conservative/fundamentalist clique of the GOP are mostly Silent Generationers and the elder members of the Baby Boom.

    By 2016 most of that generation will be passing or will have passed.

    Yet, the fiscal conservative position must be considered if our nation is to escape the financial Armageddon that previous administrations and congresses have cooked up over the past 40 years or so.
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    Mar 28, 2011 3:40 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]alphatrigger said[/cite]I see it as the Social Cons/fundamentalists' last gasp.

    The typical generation cohort of the social conservative/fundamentalist clique of the GOP are mostly Silent Generationers and the elder members of the Baby Boom.

    By 2016 most of that generation will be passing or will have passed.

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    Yes I agree !!! I cannot wait to see the bigots who are my "boomer" age group and the even older political movers and shakers, get out of the way of more moderate open minded people. I'm afraid though, I'll be well into my 70's before that happens.
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    Mar 28, 2011 4:01 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidWell righties? how are ya gonna defend this? if it walks like a duck......



    I'm actually waiting to see WHO the Republican candidates actually turn out to be, what their stance is on a wide variety of issues, and then decide what I truly think. I have already determined, based on recent speeches they have made, that no way could I ever support Gingrich, Pawlenty, or Huckabee. I'm interested in seeing what Mitt Romney has to say once he officially becomes a candidate. I still don't think that Sarah Palin is going to run but, if she does, I will be interested to see what sort of ideas she brings to the table, if any. She should have been spending the last 2 years educating herself on a wide variety of issues that up to now she hasn't really shown that she has. She has a great deal to prove if she has any hope of getting the nomination, let alone winning an election. I'm keeping an open mind where she is concerned, and I truly believe that she may very well be a bigger friend to the gays than she's given credit for. It will be very interesting to see what the various candidates have to say and how they stack up and resonate with the American people. I do think it will take an extraordinary candidate with a vision for America and loaded with Presidential charisma to unseat Obama.
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    Mar 28, 2011 5:28 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said: I do think it will take an extraordinary candidate with a vision for America and loaded with Presidential charisma to unseat Obama


    That's a fact.

    While I'd love for a Calvin Coolidge or a Barry Goldwater type candidate emerge, and while my wish is for Americans to reject the Obama of the Greek Columns and Shepard Fairey neo-Soviet style poster art showmanship for a quiet, reserved, but very sensible and planned out policy platform...

    ...some charisma will be needed to get the Independents behind him (or her as the case may ultimately be).

    Too soon for Rand Paul, as he needs a few terms under his belt to solidify his experience, and Ron Paul should strongly consider another run.
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    Mar 28, 2011 5:59 PM GMT
    There is some question in my mind whether any candidate can emerge at the moment, who doesn't fit into the current straight-jacket of party ideology. It's a tragedy for the country, because it stifles any real discussion of common problems. We all live here together, and the only way forward is to debate, compromise and find common solutions - something the GOP, at the moment, is very unwilling to do.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/27/obama-no-credible-republican-challenger
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    Mar 28, 2011 6:10 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidI see it as the Social Cons/fundamentalists' last gasp.


    I hope you are right.
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    Mar 28, 2011 6:31 PM GMT
    tazzari saidThere is some question in my mind whether any candidate can emerge at the moment, who doesn't fit into the current straight-jacket of party ideology. It's a tragedy for the country, because it stifles any real discussion of common problems. We all live here together, and the only way forward is to debate, compromise and find common solutions - something the GOP, at the moment, is very unwilling to do.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/27/obama-no-credible-republican-challenger
    THAT is the truth...
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    Mar 28, 2011 7:03 PM GMT
    alphatrigger said
    CuriousJockAZ said: I do think it will take an extraordinary candidate with a vision for America and loaded with Presidential charisma to unseat Obama


    That's a fact.

    While I'd love for a Calvin Coolidge or a Barry Goldwater type candidate emerge, and while my wish is for Americans to reject the Obama of the Greek Columns and Shepard Fairey neo-Soviet style poster art showmanship for a quiet, reserved, but very sensible and planned out policy platform...

    ...some charisma will be needed to get the Independents behind him (or her as the case may ultimately be).

    Too soon for Rand Paul, as he needs a few terms under his belt to solidify his experience, and Ron Paul should strongly consider another run.


    Rand Paul? Seriously? Until he faces the truth about that thing on top of his head, I will never believe anything that comes out of his mouth. If you can't be honest with yourself, how can you be honest with your fellow Americans.
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    Mar 28, 2011 10:10 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/27/social-conservatives-economy-iowa-2012_n_841166.html

    How is the Republicans' stance any different from the Calvinists? Or the WBC, for that matter?


    One ponders often how are the democratic haters here any diffrent to the hatters of the WBC? I struggle to find any diffrence, maybe because hate is hate no matter how you present it, and dress it up to be progressive.