Life is EMPTY and MEANINGLESS!!!!

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    Mar 28, 2011 7:26 PM GMT
    Usually this statement brings me happiness. But lately, it has given me pause for thought. If life really is empty and meaningless (and it's empty and meaningless that it's empty and meaningless), why do anything at all?

    If we're all going to die, why work out, eat right, date, have friends, be nice to the environment, etc. WHY DO ANYTHING? Why even get out of bed in the morning? Why not just die today... or tomorrow? Is it any different? No reason to prolong it, right?

    What is the point of living? Is there one? Are we just organisms eating, sleeping, and defecating?

    Sometimes I just think it would be better to just end things now rather than prolong it for no reason. icon_sad.gif
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    Mar 28, 2011 7:29 PM GMT
    You were put on this earth to turn on all of us other guys. So don't forget your purpose! icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 28, 2011 7:37 PM GMT
    Deep aqua green, like you'd find in the tropics!{wink}


    Oh, and I hope you are only joking or playing "devil's advocate" with this post...icon_neutral.gif
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    Mar 28, 2011 7:39 PM GMT
    Wow, an existentialist thread, yay !

    A couple of years ago, I went to bed and started thinking about life and death. And then I somehow came to realize that, since I'm a strong non-believer, the "after-life" was probably gonna be the same as the "pre-life" : a huge nothing.

    That means every single seconds I'm living is meaningless, every moments, as extatic as they are, all of my memories, everything that I lived and what I am are going to be erased and forgot. I won't be able to think, to remember and to be, and I am totally powerless in front of that.

    My first reaction was a panic attack, I stepped up in my bed in the middle of the night, had palpitations, had the feeling of choking and losing my breath, and nausea. A lot of fun...

    In the aftermath, I had dark thoughts and a kinda hard depression for a couple of months, with chronic panic attacks in the night. Then slowly, I just forgot about it. Since then, I kinda have panic attacks once in a while when I'm alone and "think too much" (actually, this is funny, it happened last night while I was driving home), but I do my best to let it go, forget about it, because there's nothing I can do anyways, except to hope that I'm wrong, and there's something after death...

    But instead of making me suicidal, this made me love life even more; it's so short, and it's the only moment where this whole thing called world has a significance for me. I'm gonna try and take advantage from it until my last breathe and I suggest you do the same icon_smile.gif
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    Mar 28, 2011 7:41 PM GMT
    Oh, I forgot to mention. For a long time, I thought I was one of the only people on this planet to actually think about it and find it completely absurd and depressing, but as I started talking about my "issue" with close friends, and as I started reading Albert Camus and other existentialist writer, I realized that this touches a lot more people than we think. But since there seems to have no answer at all, we don't talk about these things....
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    Mar 28, 2011 7:44 PM GMT
    There are many answers to your question.

    Here's one, from long ago:

    "Blessed is the influence of one true, loving human soul on another."

    -G Eliot

    "The world is full of suffering, it is also full of overcoming it."

    -Helen Keller

    "Life's unfairness is not irrevocable; we can help balance the scales for others, if not always for ourselves."

    -Hubert Humphrey

    "The deeper that sorrow carves into your being the more joy you can contain. Is not the cup that holds your wine the very cup that was burned in the potter's oven?"

    -Kahlil Gibran

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    Mar 28, 2011 7:49 PM GMT
    You actually raised a very philosophical point.
    Sartre argues that though life intrinsically has no meaning, we as Humans apply meaning to the world around us. It's part of being Human.

    "The impulses in which we open ourselves without limit, in which we want to give language to everything that is, embrace as it were, all that is most strange and most distant..." - Jaspers

    Death is the most strange and distant concept man is faced with and can, at times, be a very exciting thing to think about (adrenaline junkies for one get off on it). I wouldn't feel to terrible because you can't determine what the meaning of your life is.. Better men than both of us have tried and came up empty handed, but it's a good thing to think about.

    Maybe read some Jaspers, Sartre, or Ortega. Nietzsche is good, but you will only come out feeling like life is even more meaningless than you do now if you read too much of him.

    Take care and don't do anything stupid.
    Questioning is a good thing.
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    Mar 28, 2011 7:50 PM GMT
    If life was empty and meaningless, why would there be such things as love, friendship, and happiness?

    I have experienced friendship and happiness before, but I sure know I want to experience love in my life so I am in no need to have it end anytime soon!
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    Mar 28, 2011 7:50 PM GMT
    There is color in my life... But I am aware of no happiness.
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    Mar 28, 2011 7:53 PM GMT
    You have a unique gift in this life, my friend, the ability to bring happiness to another, to relieve the anguish of existence in another; to love.

    -Doug
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    Mar 28, 2011 7:53 PM GMT
    My life is so meaningless that I'm even too lazy to kill myself.
    I mean, I'm gonna die eventually anyway, right? So why do anything?
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    Mar 28, 2011 7:57 PM GMT
    meninlove said You have a unique gift in this life, my friend, the ability to bring happiness to another, to relieve the anguish of existence in another; to love.

    -Doug


    It would be nice to know what that feels like. It doesn't make life any less empty... but it would be a nice change.
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    Mar 28, 2011 8:00 PM GMT
    shredcutback saidThere is color in my life... But I am aware of no happiness.


    This has more to do with your perception than reality. Then again it is your reality but not anyone else's as each person's reality is different from the next. This implies that you have the power to change your perception and what you consider reality. If you want it to be rosier and you make the effort it will become rosier. If you want to focus on the dark side of reality you will see nothing but that.

    As for what is life and its meaning. Your existence on this earth is so incredibly brief why not view it as both a gift and an opportunity?
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    Mar 28, 2011 8:01 PM GMT
    shredcutback said
    meninlove said You have a unique gift in this life, my friend, the ability to bring happiness to another, to relieve the anguish of existence in another; to love.

    -Doug


    It would be nice to know what that feels like. It doesn't make life any less empty... but it would be a nice change.


    Why doesn't love make life any less empty? icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 28, 2011 8:02 PM GMT
    I'd suggest you also read Camus' The Myth of Sisyphus

    Camus states in The Myth of Sisyphus: "Thus I draw from the absurd three consequences, which are my revolt, my freedom, and my passion. By the mere activity of consciousness I transform into a rule of life what was an invitation to death, and I refuse suicide".

    "Revolt" here refers to the refusal of suicide and search for meaning despite the revelation of the Absurd; "Freedom" refers to the lack of imprisonment by religious devotion or others' moral codes; "Passion" refers to the most wholehearted experiencing of life, since hope has been rejected, and so it is concluded that every moment be lived fully.

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    Mar 28, 2011 8:07 PM GMT
    Disasterpiece saidI'd suggest you also read Camus' The Myth of Sisyphus

    Camus states in The Myth of Sisyphus: "Thus I draw from the absurd three consequences, which are my revolt, my freedom, and my passion. By the mere activity of consciousness I transform into a rule of life what was an invitation to death, and I refuse suicide".

    "Revolt" here refers to the refusal of suicide and search for meaning despite the revelation of the Absurd; "Freedom" refers to the lack of imprisonment by religious devotion or others' moral codes; "Passion" refers to the most wholehearted experiencing of life, since hope has been rejected, and so it is concluded that every moment be lived fully.

    Fiewww !... That's a heavy afternoon on Realjock ! Hahaha... icon_wink.gif


    Great idea.

    "One must imagine Sisyphus happy."
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    Mar 28, 2011 8:10 PM GMT
    Kefka raises this question in Final Fantasy 6 just before Dancing Mad, and I must admit he kind of had a point. I liked Terra's answer, and henceforth applied it to my own life.
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    Mar 28, 2011 8:14 PM GMT
    The process of dying begins from the moment we are born, and we start to age. There are not promises, or guarantees of a long life, it can be cut down at anytime from the moment we are bore, or conceived for that matter.

    I am lucky that I am contented enough that I do not fear death, as I feel I have lived a full life, and also survived an era, when so many of my bothers did not.

    As a child my soul was raped and my childhood murded, yet I have experienced the love of the power that has shined it's light down on me, and bless my life. This makes one ponder : how much of our lives may already be planed out for us it's just a matter if we turn left or right.

    I go out into the world where death is all apart of my work life, yet I do this with a song in my voice, and a smile on my face to make a diffrence in another's life. Knowing that tomorrow I may be dead too. But when my time comes I'll be ready to go, I will not cling on with my last breath. I can turn my light off at night knowing I have done my best and made a diffrence.
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    Mar 28, 2011 9:00 PM GMT
    To bring joy to others while we are here, and leave the world better for others after we are gone.
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    Mar 28, 2011 10:20 PM GMT
    This whole concept is terribly frightening. I have found over the last few years that this "dooms day prophecy" is becoming more and more common in younger people. And I can't say I blame them.
    With all you hear and read in the media, we are all headed for impending doom.
    Too many people in the younger generation ask themselves: "What for? We're all gonna die soon anyway". Between all the conflict, the economy, the deterioration of the planet, it's no wonder that young people get the feeling that they have little to look forward to....and less to live for.
    I've spoken to a great number of people about this, and most agree that this is
    a tragic future for the younger generation.
    I, for one, will never give up hope...and pray that the future is bright and promising for those who will inherit this earthly plane we call Earth.
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    Mar 28, 2011 10:42 PM GMT
    If you think about the probability of how life came to exist on this planet. If you think about how the events of world history have unfolded to come to this point where you were able to be born and experience, for however long, this thing called "life," I'm sure you will appreciate living.

    I don't think there's an actual purpose. But since you're here, don't you think you might as well make the best of it?
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    Mar 28, 2011 10:49 PM GMT
    creature said If you think about how the events of world history have unfolded to come to this point where you were able to be born and experience, for however long, this thing called "life,"


    You bring up a very valid point. Our lives are not the span between being born and physically dying. Our lives are the lives or our parents, our deceased ancestors, our neighbors and their ancestors. Our lives are the people before us we never met, the giants on whose shoulders we stand. And our lives will be the people after us, whether they remember us by name or if we simply are but a thread in the fabric of who they are by the simple legacy of being human.
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    Mar 28, 2011 11:34 PM GMT
    I think life is viewed differently by everyone depending upon their beliefs. Those who believe in a divine creator, believe that their relationship with this divine creator does not ever end because they believe through this creator, they not only have a physical body, but also a spiritual body that does not die.

    If they believe they also have a spiritual body that does not die, then this life is only the beginning of an eternal life with their divine creator. Many believe the physical body will be resurrected and transformed into a glorified spiritual body that will be free from everything that can hurt or harm it and free from all evil and unhappiness.

    So the meaning life has for people varies depending upon their spiritual beliefs.

    Those with spiritual beliefs usually believe that their existence continues on after this life and this is exciting to look forward to and gives meaning to life here on earth, knowing that their divine creator has prepared a perfect life for them that transcends life here on earth.

    Many also believe that although we can not take any physical and material blessings from this life that we will be reunited with many of our friends, relatives, and family and that death is not the end of our existence nor the end of the many relationships we made here on earth. Friends can be eternal blessings that you never really lose, but are only separated from for a short time.
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    Mar 28, 2011 11:46 PM GMT
    shredcutback saidThere is color in my life... But I am aware of no happiness.


    Then clearly you need to change something in your life, to get a hold of some of that happiness.

    Life's good if you want it to be.
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    Mar 28, 2011 11:53 PM GMT
    you exist for exactly the same reason the entire universe exists.

    [pompous] and since we next to nothing about it best to conclude it all makes sense at a level of understanding we haven't reached... but hopefully will one day, and that's a valid reason not to go extinct.
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