LOOSE SKIN OR FAT?

  • Davidosss16

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    Mar 30, 2011 3:06 AM GMT
    Okay, so I'm 18 years old turning 19 in a couple of months and almost three years ago, when I was about 15, I decided to loose weight. I was about 230 pounds, and went down to about 190 about 5 months after that through diet and exercise. After hitting about 190..I started going to the gym less and less but still dieting. (big mistake I know) until soon enough, I was only dieting. About 10 moths after losing weight only through dieting, I began to do weight lifitng and what not. I've been doing off and on weight lifting and training with cardio and diet for the past year and year and a half or so, but I'm really dedicated to finally sticking with it now. I am around 170 pounds now..but am not comfortable with my body. I have a stomach which becomes flabby when I bend over or sit down, man boobs (which have gone down a lot, not worrying too much about those) and just untoned all around. I'd like to know if I can fix this or if it's loose skin. I'm only 19 so I figure I can get it firm and toned?? Do i do anymore cardio?? or only focus on weights?? Any one been in a similar situation? Any tips and toning firming advice would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks!!!!!
  • MercuryMax

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    Mar 30, 2011 5:05 AM GMT
    my friend "J" had done similar. He lost a lost of weight like you did, he finally told me recently that he had lost so much weight he had to get a tummy tuck because of all the loose skin. He looks great. I'm not saying this is the solution you're looking for, but that's the only example I have to give.

    Others will chime in...
  • Spiritreaver

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    Mar 30, 2011 5:13 AM GMT
    MercuryMax saidmy friend "J" had done similar. He lost a lost of weight like you did, he finally told me recently that he had lost so much weight he had to get a tummy tuck because of all the loose skin. He looks great. I'm not saying this is the solution you're looking for, but that's the only example I have to give.

    Others will chime in...
    I think I'm gonna have to get this done myself, which sucks. Do you know how much it cost him roughly?
  • MercuryMax

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    Mar 30, 2011 5:39 AM GMT
    honestly I would have to ask him, but he seems to think it was well worth it. That doesn't mean anyone can skip out on the hard work tho ;)
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    Mar 30, 2011 6:07 AM GMT
    Your skin still has elasticity and will "shrink" as you continue to put on muscle.

    My friend did this. His weight loss wasn't AS drastic, but he definitely will never be as "toned" as myself simply because he has flabby skin in some areas.

    His father went through about the same situation that you did, and he also ended up getting his skin stapled and sliced off (or whatever the procedure is) around his midsection.

    If I remember right, it was around $3k in USD, but, that was a few years ago...and it was at a local place in the upper Midwest. I'm sure location and experience have a lot to do with the pricing.

    He loves it though, and he is happy with himself.
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    Mar 30, 2011 6:31 AM GMT
    In the last year I lost 48 pounds. Started at 215 lbs. A year later, I now weigh 176 lbs. I had the same problem...when I bent over my stomach would flabbly hang. Looking for something to help, I found a Vitamin E cream, that is firming up on skin. The cream is apparently toning up my skin and repairing it with the Vitamin E.
    The brand is Fruit of the Earth, Vitamine E Skin Care Cream. Two containers of 4 oz can be purchased at Wal-Mart for about $3.57. Apply it to your flabby skin twice a day. In my experience, it should help.
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    Mar 30, 2011 6:35 AM GMT
    What you need to do is put on muscle because that will naturally remove your fat (essentially, replacing then weight with muscle) and it will naturally tighten your skin (As mentioned above already).

    Do 30 minutes of cardio every morning, eat lots of protein (big breakfast), and go to the gym and do ab workouts.
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    Mar 30, 2011 7:29 AM GMT
    _Mohammed_ saidWhat you need to do is put on muscle because that will naturally remove your fat (essentially, replacing then weight with muscle) and it will naturally tighten your skin (As mentioned above already).

    Do 30 minutes of cardio every morning, eat lots of protein (big breakfast), and go to the gym and do ab workouts.


    Unfortunately, it doesn't work this way. Once fat cells expand to their limit, they muliply. When you begin losing weight the need for them to multiply stops and then you begin decreasing the content of the existing cells. But the cells don't go away. You can build muscle under fat without getting rid of the fat.

    The best advice is to speak to a doctor about your goals for a healthy lifestyle. You need to find a diet AND EXERCISE routine that you can maintain throughout your life. I also advise seeing a therapist to work through any issues that lead you to overeat, or issues that make it difficult for you stay motivated. There's no point in getting an expensive surgery to look good, only to gain the weight back later.

    It's great that you're getting into shape. Keep up the good work!
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    Mar 30, 2011 6:15 PM GMT
    I lost 60 lbs very very slowly just because of my knowledge of the "flap factor."
    As a result of the slow progress, my skin tightened up as I went along, so now there's no flappy skin.
    Keep in mind I was 39 when I started losing the weight. You're only 19, so your skin will tighten up faster...you simply lost the weight faster than your skin could keep up.

    Another alternative (if you're in a hurry and have the financial ability) is surgery. An acquaintance of mine had that done (at age 19) after losing 150 lbs, and he's now a career model.
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    Apr 01, 2011 4:57 AM GMT
    What Paul said. About this time last year, I was around 235lbs, and have come down to around 185, so about 50lbs in a year, or a little over 4lbs per month.

    I have some minor stretch marks, but the slow and steady loss (and replacing it with muscle to increase my resting metabolism) has helped to prevent the excess loose skin.
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    Apr 01, 2011 5:07 AM GMT
    From the sounds of this, you have lost 40 lbs, but unless you seriously drastically reduced your bodyfat percentage, based on the description, I think it sounds like fat, but I could be wrong. A picture is worth a thousand more words, but the good news is that as you build muscle, your skin will tighten up overtime. Luckily, since you're 19 (like I am) it will be more elastic than if you transformed your body 30 years from now. Hope that helps.
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    Apr 01, 2011 4:45 PM GMT
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    Unfortunately, it doesn't work this way. Once fat cells expand to their limit, they muliply. When you begin losing weight the need for them to multiply stops and then you begin decreasing the content of the existing cells. But the cells don't go away. You can build muscle under fat without getting rid of the fat.

    "Every year, whether you are fat or thin, whether you lose weight or gain, 10 percent of your fat cells die. And every year, those cells that die are replaced with new fat cells, researchers in Sweden reported Sunday.
    The result is that the total number of fat cells in the body remains the same, year after year throughout adulthood. Losing or gaining weight affects only the amount of fat stored in the cells, not the number of cells."

    The finding was published online Sunday in the NEW YORK TIMES.

    paulflexes saidI lost 60 lbs very very slowly just because of my knowledge of the "flap factor."
    As a result of the slow progress, my skin tightened up as I went along, so now there's no flappy skin.
    Keep in mind I was 39 when I started losing the weight. You're only 19, so your skin will tighten up faster...you simply lost the weight faster than your skin could keep up.


    I posted an excerpt above from a "New York Times" article regarding the amount of fat cells you have in your body and how weight gain AND loss effects them; as opposed to how "HisAlterEgo" has erroneously stated. Fat cells do NOT multiply with fat gain.

    In my own experience of losing an excess 55 lbs, I agree with "PaulFlexes" were he states to lose the weight SLOWLY so as to allow the skin to "catch up" to the weight loss. If the weight gain is rapid as in female pregnancy or body builders massing up quickly, you get STRETCH MARKS because the skin's elasticity/growth can't keep up with the weight increase/growth. Conversely, if you LOSE weight quickly, the skin cannot tighten or "shrink" with the rapid loss. The younger you are when you lose weight, the more elasticity you have in your skin....this elasticity decreases with age so the results of the skin tightening up is less with increased age. That said, it's still possible to tighten the loose skin during weight loss when you are older...it just takes a little more effort to get those results.

    I also found with my own weight loss, that as I slowly lost 1 1/2 to 2 lbs per week through diet and cardio workouts, I added strength training to increase lean muscle as I lost body fat and to help tighten my skin that was stretched out from the extra pounds. I was 49 when I started this process, so your results at 19 would have been significantly better if you had also continued with exercise as you admitted. I suggest you keep up with your strength training to see if you can reduce the belly flap. Just remember, DIET AND CARDIO EXERCISE are crucial to successful weight loss. Additionally, strength training adds lean muscle which also will aid in metabolizing body fat and toning/tightening up your body. If your belly skin is still excessively loose or flapping after following a workout program, then maybe consulting a Dr. about surgical options may be in order. I hope this helps.
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    Apr 01, 2011 7:58 PM GMT
    Leo811 said
    "Every year, whether you are fat or thin, whether you lose weight or gain, 10 percent of your fat cells die. And every year, those cells that die are replaced with new fat cells, researchers in Sweden reported Sunday.
    The result is that the total number of fat cells in the body remains the same, year after year throughout adulthood. Losing or gaining weight affects only the amount of fat stored in the cells, not the number of cells."

    The finding was published online Sunday in the NEW YORK TIMES.

    There appears to be a difference of opinion among experts.icon_confused.gif The Mayo Clinic recently published an article that fat accumulation in the abdomen and thighs result from different mechanisms.
    "The accumulation of abdominal fat happens largely by individual cells expanding in size, while with fat gain in the femoral or lower body, it's the number of fat cells that increase…The cellular mechanisms are different," explained lead author Dr. Michael Jensen, of the Mayo Clinic.

    http://www.foodnavigator.com/Science-Nutrition/Overeating-drives-fat-gain-at-the-hips-says-obesity-related-study
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    Apr 01, 2011 8:12 PM GMT
    I swear to God I read this same thread a couple of months ago. Deja vu for anyone else?
  • BlackBeltGuy

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    Apr 01, 2011 8:24 PM GMT
    I am doing the HCG diet and have gone from 206.6 to 192 in 14 days and i feel the same flap and its annoying.

    So do ab workouts help? Some one told me vellashape treatments help alot also. Im in this boat too. As for creams if there was one that really tightened your skin it would be used and know all over...
  • Spiritreaver

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    May 31, 2011 3:30 AM GMT
    So hate to bump an old thread, but would much rather do this than recreate a new thread...

    To some of you guys who have had loose skin issues, how do you deal with people judging you for it? I know the typical response is "forget them, they're assholes" but I'd be lying to say if it didn't sting a little when a guy actually stopped me at a club just to ask if I had abs and when I responded with "maybe"to which he laughed and said I didn't and pointed at the bit of loose skin showing around my lower stomach. That was shortly followed by two guys pointing at my stomach while I was on the dance floor.

    Probably my own fault for wearing tanks, but oh well. Sorry for the silly rant, I know they're disliked on the forum. It's just a frustrating part of life.
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    May 31, 2011 2:54 PM GMT
    Spiritreaver saidSo hate to bump an old thread, but would much rather do this than recreate a new thread...

    To some of you guys who have had loose skin issues, how do you deal with people judging you for it? I know the typical response is "forget them, they're assholes" but I'd be lying to say if it didn't sting a little when a guy actually stopped me at a club just to ask if I had abs and when I responded with "maybe"to which he laughed and said I didn't and pointed at the bit of loose skin showing around my lower stomach. That was shortly followed by two guys pointing at my stomach while I was on the dance floor.

    Probably my own fault for wearing tanks, but oh well. Sorry for the silly rant, I know they're disliked on the forum. It's just a frustrating part of life.


    That sucks man. I know how you feel...I have excess abdominal skin (and a bit of stubborn fat) from dropping about 50lbs. It's extremely disheartening to know that no matter how hard you work at it, you won't be completely tight and toned without surgical intervention. icon_mad.gif
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    May 31, 2011 3:27 PM GMT
    Spiritreaver saidSo hate to bump an old thread, but would much rather do this than recreate a new thread...

    To some of you guys who have had loose skin issues, how do you deal with people judging you for it? I know the typical response is "forget them, they're assholes" but I'd be lying to say if it didn't sting a little when a guy actually stopped me at a club just to ask if I had abs and when I responded with "maybe"to which he laughed and said I didn't and pointed at the bit of loose skin showing around my lower stomach. That was shortly followed by two guys pointing at my stomach while I was on the dance floor.

    Probably my own fault for wearing tanks, but oh well. Sorry for the silly rant, I know they're disliked on the forum. It's just a frustrating part of life.


    I've lost just about 100 pounds over the last year or so. Made some good progress on my body, especially my arms (IMO), but this body is not going to tighten up. I spoke with my doctor, and this much extra skin, especially after years of yo-yo dieting, is simply not going to shrink away. I am looking at surgery later this year to address the problem.
    Yes, if you weren't ever that overweight, or for not that long, or if you're younger, the skin may tighten - to some degree - but oftentimes the only way to see the real results of the progress you've made is to cut the leftover away.

    Spirit, I get what you're talking about. It drives me nuts that I can't show off a better representation of me what with all the weight I lost, but it is what it is. Hopefully, a little surgery will make it somewhat better. icon_cool.gif
  • Spiritreaver

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    May 31, 2011 9:09 PM GMT
    I plan to have surgery eventually, it's just going to be such a huge amount of stress that I wish I didn't have to deal with. Financial burden (at the moment anyway), plus finding a good doctor, and since I have had a DVT, I am at a very high risk of having clotting complications. Yikes, oh well, it's the price you pay I guess.

    I'm kinda amzed at how well I hide it in pictures, I'm a crop fiend.
  • Bigolbear

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    May 31, 2011 10:07 PM GMT
    Spiritreaver saidI plan to have surgery eventually, it's just going to be such a huge amount of stress that I wish I didn't have to deal with. Financial burden (at the moment anyway), plus finding a good doctor, and since I have had a DVT, I am at a very high risk of having clotting complications. Yikes, oh well, it's the price you pay I guess.

    I'm kinda amzed at how well I hide it in pictures, I'm a crop fiend.


    Not to mention a huge risk of infection, long recovery time, and having to wear drain tubes for quite a while after the surgery.
  • Bigolbear

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    May 31, 2011 10:10 PM GMT
    Spiritreaver saidSo hate to bump an old thread, but would much rather do this than recreate a new thread...

    To some of you guys who have had loose skin issues, how do you deal with people judging you for it? I know the typical response is "forget them, they're assholes" but I'd be lying to say if it didn't sting a little when a guy actually stopped me at a club just to ask if I had abs and when I responded with "maybe"to which he laughed and said I didn't and pointed at the bit of loose skin showing around my lower stomach. That was shortly followed by two guys pointing at my stomach while I was on the dance floor.

    Probably my own fault for wearing tanks, but oh well. Sorry for the silly rant, I know they're disliked on the forum. It's just a frustrating part of life.



    That sucks! Sorry. Look at the positives, it helps you to weed out ass-hats.
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    May 31, 2011 11:34 PM GMT
    just posting here because I may revisit this in the future. I was 308 lbs when I was 21. I'm down to 248 now so I haven't had this issue yet. But I just know it's going to be an issue in the future.
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    Jun 01, 2011 2:15 PM GMT
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    Spiritreaver saidI plan to have surgery eventually, it's just going to be such a huge amount of stress that I wish I didn't have to deal with. Financial burden (at the moment anyway), plus finding a good doctor, and since I have had a DVT, I am at a very high risk of having clotting complications. Yikes, oh well, it's the price you pay I guess.

    I'm kinda amzed at how well I hide it in pictures, I'm a crop fiend.


    Not to mention a huge risk of infection, long recovery time, and having to wear drain tubes for quite a while after the surgery.


    Not the story I've heard from other people who've had the surgery and the doctors: Yes, there is a risk of infection with any surgery, but I wouldn't call a week or so a "long" recovery time; same with the drainage tubes. Real considerations, to be sure, but not that much of a hassle, all things considered.
  • Bigolbear

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    Jun 01, 2011 3:43 PM GMT
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    Bigolbear said
    Spiritreaver saidI plan to have surgery eventually, it's just going to be such a huge amount of stress that I wish I didn't have to deal with. Financial burden (at the moment anyway), plus finding a good doctor, and since I have had a DVT, I am at a very high risk of having clotting complications. Yikes, oh well, it's the price you pay I guess.

    I'm kinda amzed at how well I hide it in pictures, I'm a crop fiend.


    Not to mention a huge risk of infection, long recovery time, and having to wear drain tubes for quite a while after the surgery.


    Not the story I've heard from other people who've had the surgery and the doctors: Yes, there is a risk of infection with any surgery, but I wouldn't call a week or so a "long" recovery time; same with the drainage tubes. Real considerations, to be sure, but not that much of a hassle, all things considered.


    Where I come from is knowing a lot of morbidly obese patients who have gone through Panniculectomies. The minimal recovery time is 2 weeks. The swelling of the incisions go down by 4. Drainage tube time varies on output volume and they are usually removed when you have less than 30ml in 24 hours time. Usually you will keep one of your drains for several weeks. The risk of infection with this surgery is higher due to the size of incision. Yes, every surgical procedure has infection risk, I had to spend 3 weeks on IV antibiotics from a laparoscopic appendectomy. The infection risk from skin removal is way higher than a laparoscopic procedure.


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    Where I come from is knowing a lot of morbidly obese patients who have gone through Panniculectomies. The minimal recovery time is 2 weeks. The swelling of the incisions go down by 4. Drainage tube time varies on output volume and they are usually removed when you have less than 30ml in 24 hours time. Usually you will keep one of your drains for several weeks. The risk of infection with this surgery is higher due to the size of incision. Yes, every surgical procedure has infection risk, I had to spend 3 weeks on IV antibiotics from a laparoscopic appendectomy. The infection risk from skin removal is way higher than a laparoscopic procedure.

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    I guess I fit into the "used to be morbidly obese" category, and the estimates I've heard haven't been this drastic, but, also, not that far off either. We'll see what I hear later this year.

    Thanks for the info.