Obama Administration Back to Denying Green Cards To Gay Couples

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    Mar 31, 2011 4:43 AM GMT
    http://metroweekly.com/poliglot/2011/03/immigration-official-the-hold.html

    Immigration Official: "The Hold Is Over"
    Posted by Chris Geidner |
    March 30, 2011 11:13 AM
    The "hold" on same-sex married bi-national couples' green card applications -- celebrated by immigration and LGBT advocates -- is over, according to the spokesman for the agency that processes those requests.

    "The guidance we were awaiting ... was received last night, so the hold is over, so we're back to adjudicating cases as we always have," U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services press secretary Christopher Bentley told Metro Weekly this morning.

    The agency will continue to "enforce the law," he says, which means that the Defense of Marriage Act -- which prohibits the government from recognizing same-sex marriages -- prevents those green card applications from being approved.

    In the past, they had been denied because of DOMA, but the administration's Feb. 23 decision to stop defending Section 3 of DOMA raised hopes for some that the USCIS and other immigration agencies would at least put such cases on hold while the constitutionality of DOMA was resolved.

    The USCIS raised those hopes further when Bentley told Metro Weekly and, later, other news outlets on Monday, March 28, "USCIS has issued guidance to the field asking that related cases be held in abeyance while awaiting final guidance related to distinct legal issues."
  • unjaded

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    Mar 31, 2011 1:03 PM GMT
    i never expected anything less from this homophopic racist admn of Obama. once he got most gay peoples vote (not mine) he turned on them like he does everybody . even the new black panthers hate him nowadays. when somebody sits in a hate the gays , jews , white people church for over twenty years , did you expect a different outcome . end the war , no starts another one , close gitmo , no , end dadt no , end doma , no , secure the boarder no , transparent adm , no how many more lies and broken campaighn promises until people wake up and see this unqualifed do nothing for the closedminded bigot he really is ?
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    Mar 31, 2011 2:16 PM GMT
    I agree these boarder issues are important.

    What are those boarders thinking, boarding on the steps of the Capitol. It's an outrage!
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    Mar 31, 2011 3:14 PM GMT
    I don't think it's fair to be blaming this on the Obama administration. DOMA is the law, and, unfortunately, until that is changed same-sex marriage green card applications clearly can't be honored.
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    unjaded saidi never expected anything less from this homophopic racist admn of Obama. once he got most gay peoples vote (not mine) he turned on them like he does everybody . even the new black panthers hate him nowadays. when somebody sits in a hate the gays , jews , white people church for over twenty years , did you expect a different outcome . end the war , no starts another one , close gitmo , no , end dadt no , end doma , no , secure the boarder no , transparent adm , no how many more lies and broken campaighn promises until people wake up and see this unqualifed do nothing for the closedminded bigot he really is ?


    I don't think you understand what the POTUS does.
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    Mar 31, 2011 5:23 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI don't think it's fair to be blaming this on the Obama administration. DOMA is the law, and, unfortunately, until that is changed same-sex marriage green card applications clearly can't be honored.

    Too bad the Obama administration, along with the Congress which was completely controlled by the Democrats didn't bother to do anything about DOMA over the past 2 years.

    But not to worry, Democrats still "care" about the gays. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Even badder are the Republicans who became the "Party of No" to block every Democratic proposal in Congress, no matter what it was. Including the ability to filibuster in the Senate, since Democrats only had 58 votes, with 2 Independents, for a couple months in the summer of 2009, not a 60-vote supermajority for a couple of years. There was no way Democrats could have repealed DOMA, and weren't about to waste important time on a hopeless battle.

    But you won't let that lie go, will you? I guess you think that's one of your best tricks, but a trick it is, not the truth.

    At least Obama did direct DOJ to stop defending DOMA, a major step forward. In turn prompting House Republicans to direct more legislative time to reinforcing DOMA, not repealing it, and to now spend taxpayer dollars to mount a legal effort to defend DOMA in the courts, since the Obama Admin won't do so itself.

    Whatever happened to the urgency of the economy & jobs the Republicans promised? Instead we get right-wing social extremism from them first and foremost. I guess using taxpayer money to hire lawyers to defend DOMA is creating jobs?

    And BTW, it's not stated in this article who in the government decided to take the USCIS off hold while DOMA remains in dispute. It appears to have been Homeland Security, but no where does it mention the White House or Obama.

    And not forgetting that DOMA remains the law, and a President and Federal agencies simply cannot violate the law as they like. That was Bush & Cheney you're thinking of, who routinely did that, because a Republican Congress let them get away with it. And the right-wing press either looked the other way, or presented confusing & misleading facts to the US people to make it sound alright & justifiable.
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    Mar 31, 2011 5:45 PM GMT
    Come to Canada! we'll help. Annnnddd....they'd be a welome change from the tanker fulls of refugees we tend to get...too soon?
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    pat3rob saidCome to Canada! we'll help. Annnnddd....they'd be a welome change from the tanker fulls of refugees we tend to get...too soon?



    It hasn't been 22.3 years yet...
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI don't think it's fair to be blaming this on the Obama administration. DOMA is the law, and, unfortunately, until that is changed same-sex marriage green card applications clearly can't be honored.


    I have to agree, the President is supposed to uphold the law, whether he agrees with it or not.

    While I do hope that DOMA is repelled soon, the idea that a President can personally veto any law that he wants gives him too much power.

    Imagine if the foot was on the other shoe, and the president decided to no longer validate gay marriages if it was written into the law. We would be up in arms.
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    Art_Deco saidEven badder are the Republicans who became the "Party of No" to block every Democratic proposal in Congress, no matter what it was. Including the ability to filibuster in the Senate, since Democrats only had 58 votes, with 2 Independents, for a couple months in the summer of 2009, not a 60-vote supermajority for a couple of years. There was no way Democrats could have repealed DOMA, and weren't about to waste important time on a hopeless battle.

    Excuses.

    But if that's what helps you to keep supporting Democrats because of their lies that they "care about" the gays.... icon_rolleyes.gif

    Well we all know how much the Republicans "care about" the gays -- they care so much about us they want to make sure we remain second-class citizens without civil rights. Opps, sorry, your side calls those "special rights." Yeah, tell me how terrible the Democrats are, and why we should embrace the Republicans, you love us so dearly.

    Or is today the "they're all bad" approach, and so don't vote for any of them? Which only works to undermine mostly the Democratic vote, however, and keeps their voter turnout low, but not the fanatical right-wingers. As that argument is designed to cause.

    You know, you keep dredging up this faulty logic over & over again, like a broken record. Afraid some new guys might have joined the site that you haven't had a chance to indoctrinate yet? And hope the guys here who know your tired old pattern will have left, or just gotten tired and given up? I'll give you this -- you're a persistent propagandist if nothing else, which is essential to your mission
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    Mar 31, 2011 6:14 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Art_Deco said... you keep dredging up this faulty logic over & over again, like a broken record. Afraid some new guys might have joined the site that you haven't had a chance to indoctrinate yet? And hope the guys here who know your tired old pattern will have left, or just gotten tired and given up? I'll give you this -- you're a persistent propagandist if nothing else, which is essential to your job.[/quote]


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    more than once i have wondered if "southbeach" is a real live person, actually living in southbeach, FL...or is he is a GOP schill/plant, here to spread the GOP Propaganda Program of lies and half-truthts.

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    more than once i have wondered if "southbeach" is a real live person, actually living in southbeach, FL...or is he is a GOP schill/plant, here to spread the GOP Propaganda Program of lies and half-truthts.

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    Well, we know they exist, the right-wing has planted them everywhere from President Bush's news conferences as a phony reporter, to fake callers into right-wing radio talk shows, to plants on social web sites.

    Whether southbeach is one I can't say. I edited my comment above to read "mission" rather than "job" lest it sound like a paid position. It may merely be that he has this personal calling to troll a gay site like this.

    Nor can I say if he really lives in South Beach or not. I have my own suspicions, developed over the years due to his total lack of discussion and personal knowledge of the area. Certainly his failure to advise RJ members going there on vacation, when others of us offer help, not only makes me dubious of him, but also disappointed in him if he does spend any significant time there himself, and withholds that useful information from the guys here. Perhaps he directly e-mails, but the rest of us initially post to the thread, to share with everyone about a popular vacation destination, and generate further input & commentary.

    Expect political advice galore from him, but no hints on places to go and things to do if you come to the Miami area. I find that very curious, if not suggestive.
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    Mar 31, 2011 6:36 PM GMT
    MonkeyPuck said
    unjaded saidi never expected anything less from this homophopic racist admn of Obama. once he got most gay peoples vote (not mine) he turned on them like he does everybody . even the new black panthers hate him nowadays. when somebody sits in a hate the gays , jews , white people church for over twenty years , did you expect a different outcome . end the war , no starts another one , close gitmo , no , end dadt no , end doma , no , secure the boarder no , transparent adm , no how many more lies and broken campaighn promises until people wake up and see this unqualifed do nothing for the closedminded bigot he really is ?


    I don't think you understand what the POTUS does.


    I DONT THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU READ . I SAID OBAMA ADMN . THEN I SAID HIS CAMPAIGHN PROMISES . I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WAHT THE POTUS DOES . THIS ONE NOT NEARLY ANYTHING HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO
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    Mar 31, 2011 6:39 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidLOL...I am laughing because that response came from a guy who refers to himself as "UN"jaded. icon_smile.gif

    I could not pass that one up.


    QUOTING FACTS OF THE MATTER AT HAND DOESNT MAKE ME JADED AT ALL MR .
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    Art_Deco saidExpect political advice [from southbeach] galore, but no hints on places to go and things to do if you come to the Miami area. I find that very curious, if not suggestive.



    Yes, because anyone who doesn't give travel tips about the various places of interest in the vicinity of where they live are "under suspicion."

    You've just put 90% of the RJ membership in that category! icon_rolleyes.gif

    About 90% of RJ members (if you can throw around loose "stats" then so can I) don't post regularly in these Forums. Another group lives mostly in the Chat rooms (interesting that they overlap very little to my observation).

    But of regulars in the Forums, I note paulflexes will fill guys in about Hollywood, Florida, and a bit into Miami and some other places where he's flown regularly. mch does it for New Orleans. There's SILVERFOX1 up in Orlando, who gave me some advice, and of course myself covering Wilton Manors and Fort Lauderdale, and a touch of Key West, since we go there fairly often.

    The list goes on, but I merely note your own persistent absence from any such discussions, since that would be a nice gesture to fellow members needing travel advice to a major US vacation destination. You're certainly online often enough, posting quite a lot, I can't see how it would hurt or burden you.
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    Mar 31, 2011 6:47 PM GMT
    So glad I live in South Africa...
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    Mar 31, 2011 6:56 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidThen tell admin to revoke my membership for not posting any travel tips. icon_wink.gif

    Here's what might get revoked instead:

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    Mar 31, 2011 7:02 PM GMT
    Change we can believe in...? Don't know about you but I haven't seen much change. Just more of the same politics I see on both sides. Until we wake up and realize that democrat and republican, they are both controlled by the same groups so they are coming closer and closer to the middle. Sure, they have their ideals and priorities, but do you think Obama or any politician for that matter is going to block any legislation that their million dollar campaign financiers want in place? They are smart. They know not to bite the hand that feeds them, lest they go hungry.

    Who's running this government anyway? Not the people you think...

    Drug Companies "searching for a cure" for cancer, HIV, etc have no interest in finding a cure! Why would they when they can continue making billions off keeping people sick and medicated.

    Oil companies that contribute to politicians campaigns are naturally going to block the development of energy efficient cars and alternative energy. They are too busy making billions off people spending $4.00 a gallon for gas. The Tesla is faster than almost any other car on the road. It goes 0-60 in 3.7 seconds and is fully electric! Funny that the media tells us that electric cars are sluggish and inefficient compared to their oil burning counterparts. Wonder if that's because some of the major shareholders in the largest media companies also hold major shares in the oil companies? If the technology is there to make the Tesla, the technology is there to make all cars electric, fast, efficient, and sporty and retire automobile oil consumption. But where's the profit in that?

    Just saying...
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    Art_Deco said
    southbeach1500 saidThen tell admin to revoke my membership for not posting any travel tips. icon_wink.gif

    Here's what might get revoked instead:

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    I've been gay a lot longer than you. icon_wink.gif

    Then try acting it.

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    Mar 31, 2011 7:17 PM GMT
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    unjaded saidi never expected anything less from this homophopic racist admn of Obama. once he got most gay peoples vote (not mine) he turned on them like he does everybody . even the new black panthers hate him nowadays. when somebody sits in a hate the gays , jews , white people church for over twenty years , did you expect a different outcome . end the war , no starts another one , close gitmo , no , end dadt no , end doma , no , secure the boarder no , transparent adm , no how many more lies and broken campaighn promises until people wake up and see this unqualifed do nothing for the closedminded bigot he really is ?


    I don't think you understand what the POTUS does.


    I DONT THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU READ . I SAID OBAMA ADMN . THEN I SAID HIS CAMPAIGHN PROMISES . I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WAHT THE POTUS DOES . THIS ONE NOT NEARLY ANYTHING HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO


    The POTUS or his administration cannot end DOMA nor DADT both require an act of congress. Obama never said he would repeal either he said he supports the repeal of both. So, when you complain because he hasn't repealed either you are complaining that he has not become a dictator or don't understand what the president has the power to do.
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    Mar 31, 2011 8:51 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI don't think it's fair to be blaming this on the Obama administration. DOMA is the law, and, unfortunately, until that is changed same-sex marriage green card applications clearly can't be honored.

    Too bad the Obama administration, along with the Congress which was completely controlled by the Democrats didn't bother to do anything about DOMA over the past 2 years.

    But not to worry, Democrats still "care" about the gays. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Even badder are the Republicans who became the "Party of No" to block every Democratic proposal in Congress, no matter what it was. Including the ability to filibuster in the Senate, since Democrats only had 58 votes, with 2 Independents, for a couple months in the summer of 2009, not a 60-vote supermajority for a couple of years. There was no way Democrats could have repealed DOMA, and weren't about to waste important time on a hopeless battle.

    But you won't let that lie go, will you? I guess you think that's one of your best tricks, but a trick it is, not the truth.

    At least Obama did direct DOJ to stop defending DOMA, a major step forward. In turn prompting House Republicans to direct more legislative time to reinforcing DOMA, not repealing it, and to now spend taxpayer dollars to mount a legal effort to defend DOMA in the courts, since the Obama Admin won't do so itself.

    Whatever happened to the urgency of the economy & jobs the Republicans promised? Instead we get right-wing social extremism from them first and foremost. I guess using taxpayer money to hire lawyers to defend DOMA is creating jobs?

    And BTW, it's not stated in this article who in the government decided to take the USCIS off hold while DOMA remains in dispute. It appears to have been Homeland Security, but no where does it mention the White House or Obama.

    And not forgetting that DOMA remains the law, and a President and Federal agencies simply cannot violate the law as they like. That was Bush & Cheney you're thinking of, who routinely did that, because a Republican Congress let them get away with it. And the right-wing press either looked the other way, or presented confusing & misleading facts to the US people to make it sound alright & justifiable.


    You are exactly right on ALL counts, however, the one thing Obama could have done that he did not, was issue the executive order ending DADT, the compromise we have now is that nothing will change for years to come, STILL.
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    spidey54 saidYou are exactly right on ALL counts, however, the one thing Obama could have done that he did not, was issue the executive order ending DADT, the compromise we have now is that nothing will change for years to come, STILL.

    Ending DADT alone, by Obama's Executive Order, would have been WORSE than what we have now. The existing US Code, and the UCMJ from 60 years ago, remain in place without the combination of Congressional law and Presidential signature to change them. All DADT does is say that the DOD cannot ask the question -- the gay answer is still illegal and gets you discharged, by law, not by Presidential choice.

    That was the smoke & mirrors gimmick Clinton devised when Congress wouldn't repeal the legal ban against gays in the military that he wanted. Just don't ask the question, don't tell anybody about yourself, and you avoid the consequence of a law that remains fully in force to this day.

    Without DADT, and with the current Congressional laws in place which no President alone can change, military members would once again be subjected to active inquiry, swearing to written statements upon enlistment, hostile investigation, and involuntary discharge for being gay as there existed before Clinton.