Carter leaves Cuba without jailed US contractor

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    Mar 31, 2011 5:13 AM GMT
    Is apologism for communism/socialism more acceptable than that of fascism or nazis?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110330/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_carter

    HAVANA – Former President Jimmy Carter left Cuba on Wednesday without gaining the release of a U.S. government contractor jailed the past 16 months, a deflating end to what was otherwise a groundbreaking visit.

    Carter spent hours talking about improving ties with brothers Raul and Fidel Castro, describing the latter as an "old friend."
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    Mar 31, 2011 12:49 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidIs apologism for communism/socialism more acceptable than that of fascism or nazis?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110330/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_carter

    HAVANA – Former President Jimmy Carter left Cuba on Wednesday without gaining the release of a U.S. government contractor jailed the past 16 months, a deflating end to what was otherwise a groundbreaking visit.

    Carter spent hours talking about improving ties with brothers Raul and Fidel Castro, describing the latter as an "old friend."



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  • unjaded

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    Mar 31, 2011 12:51 PM GMT
    Carter just like he left the hostages in Iran . this dude has been a political disaster his whole life . he needs to stay on the farm where he is needed
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    Mar 31, 2011 1:02 PM GMT
    wow, you are comparing socialism and communism to nazis? really? nazi = racism, trying to destroy a race of people. communism = a believe that everyone should be paid the same no matter what there job is. yeah i can see the similarity in both those words.
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    tuffguyndc saidwow, you are comparing socialism and communism to nazis? really? nazi = racism, trying to destroy a race of people. communism = a believe that everyone should be paid the same no matter what there job is. yeah i can see the similarity in both those words.
    Its riddler and the teaparty folks.. what did you expect? Knowledge? Proper ideology association? LOL
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    Mar 31, 2011 1:42 PM GMT
    Soooo...he went there with high hopes, and left with peanuts.
    Looks like he hasn't changed much since the 70's.
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    tuffguyndc saidwow, you are comparing socialism and communism to nazis? really? nazi = racism, trying to destroy a race of people. communism = a believe that everyone should be paid the same no matter what there job is. yeah i can see the similarity in both those words.


    The deaths of those at the hands of socialism/communism is far greater than that of nazis/fascism (by several magnitudes). Socialism/communism also has a shameful history of racism and bigotry. That's the comparison. It's like the useful idiots who wear the Che Guevara (or Mao) t-shirts. If they only realized what he did and represented.
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    paulflexes saidSoooo...he went there with high hopes, and left with peanuts.
    Looks like he hasn't changed much since the 70's.
    LMAO...
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    tuffguyndc saidwow, you are comparing socialism and communism to nazis? really? nazi = racism, trying to destroy a race of people. communism = a believe that everyone should be paid the same no matter what there job is. yeah i can see the similarity in both those words.


    The deaths of those at the hands of socialism/communism is far greater than that of nazis/fascism (by several magnitudes). Socialism/communism also has a shameful history of racism and bigotry. That's the comparison. It's like the useful idiots who wear the Che Guevara t-shirts. If they only realized what he did and represented.



    And the deaths at the hands of christianity tops them both.

    Dragging apologism into this is retarded by the way. Let's talk about global apologism of the American embargo against a tiny country of just over 11 million, failure of dancing to the required tune.

    And as always, it's great to see that people still have no clue what the exact definitions of "communism" "fascism" and "socialism" are.
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    Mar 31, 2011 1:57 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidSoooo...he went there with high hopes, and left with peanuts.
    Looks like he hasn't changed much since the 70's.



    Wasn't Carter who said from a that day in 1979.....we won't INCREASE Foreign Oil import.


    Such a wise man Cater was.........then we get the Regan who increased the gov't 6 fold....and lobbyist increased 6 fold..I think.







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    Mar 31, 2011 2:07 PM GMT
    Tazo995 said
    riddler78 said
    tuffguyndc saidwow, you are comparing socialism and communism to nazis? really? nazi = racism, trying to destroy a race of people. communism = a believe that everyone should be paid the same no matter what there job is. yeah i can see the similarity in both those words.


    The deaths of those at the hands of socialism/communism is far greater than that of nazis/fascism (by several magnitudes). Socialism/communism also has a shameful history of racism and bigotry. That's the comparison. It's like the useful idiots who wear the Che Guevara t-shirts. If they only realized what he did and represented.


    And the deaths at the hands of christianity tops them both.

    Dragging apologism into this is retarded by the way. Let's talk about global apologism of the American embargo against a tiny country of just over 11 million, failure of dancing to the required tune.

    And as always, it's great to see that people still have no clue what the exact definitions of "communism" "fascism" and "socialism" are.


    Er - not quite - in fact not at all. Certainly there have been deaths in the name of Christianity, but nothing near the wholesale massacres in the name of communism (or even other religions). There are however fundamental differences in that at least insofar communism/socialism is concerned it is a ideology whose application has almost consistently resulted in the deaths of thousands if not millions - Ukraine, Poland, Cambodia, Burma, China, even yes, Cuba all come easily to mind. I think legitimizing any brutal dictator by calling them an "old friend" is more than unfortunate. I disagree that an embargo was/is the best response but calling the man a friend is a far different level of stupidity.
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    Mar 31, 2011 2:17 PM GMT

    Former President Carter did not leave the Americans hostages in Iran. Although it 444 days for the American eventual release it was done.11/19-11/20 13 were released and if memory serves they were women and children on /7/20/80 was released due to health reasons.

    The remaining 52 were released 1/20/81 which happened to be the same day of the Reagan Presidential Inauguration which why some times former president Reagan is credited for the release of the hostages.


    For one poster to say that Former President Carter left the hostages in Iran is just inaccurate.
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    Mar 31, 2011 2:55 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Tazo995 said
    riddler78 said
    tuffguyndc saidwow, you are comparing socialism and communism to nazis? really? nazi = racism, trying to destroy a race of people. communism = a believe that everyone should be paid the same no matter what there job is. yeah i can see the similarity in both those words.


    The deaths of those at the hands of socialism/communism is far greater than that of nazis/fascism (by several magnitudes). Socialism/communism also has a shameful history of racism and bigotry. That's the comparison. It's like the useful idiots who wear the Che Guevara t-shirts. If they only realized what he did and represented.


    And the deaths at the hands of christianity tops them both.

    Dragging apologism into this is retarded by the way. Let's talk about global apologism of the American embargo against a tiny country of just over 11 million, failure of dancing to the required tune.

    And as always, it's great to see that people still have no clue what the exact definitions of "communism" "fascism" and "socialism" are.


    Er - not quite - in fact not at all. Certainly there have been deaths in the name of Christianity, but nothing near the wholesale massacres in the name of communism (or even other religions). There are however fundamental differences in that at least insofar communism/socialism is concerned it is a ideology whose application has almost consistently resulted in the deaths of thousands if not millions - Ukraine, Poland, Cambodia, Burma, China, even yes, Cuba all come easily to mind. I think legitimizing any brutal dictator by calling them an "old friend" is more than unfortunate. I disagree that an embargo was/is the best response but calling the man a friend is a far different level of stupidity.


    You are certainly entitled to your opinion of Jimmy Carter and his actions but there is probably a reason that he has several accomplishments to his name and you just sit around cutting and pasting articles to real jock that support your ideology. Personally I will take those that reach out to those they disagree with over people blinded by ideology any day.
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    Mar 31, 2011 2:58 PM GMT
    unjaded saidCarter just like he left the hostages in Iran . this dude has been a political disaster his whole life . he needs to stay on the farm where he is needed


    What a short sided (uninformed) comment. I'm doing my best not to say what I really want to say.....

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    MonkeyPuck saidYou are certainly entitled to your opinion of Jimmy Carter and his actions but there is probably a reason that he has several accomplishments to his name and you just sit around cutting and pasting articles to real jock that support your ideology. Personally I will take those that reach out to those they disagree with over people blinded by ideology any day.


    What a world you must live in to dismiss mass murder as a mere difference of ideology. I'm actually quite optimistic about the state of the world - I simply worry about how unsustainable US and more broadly western deficits/debts are and differ with a number on what the role of government is and should be.
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    MonkeyPuck saidYou are certainly entitled to your opinion of Jimmy Carter and his actions but there is probably a reason that he has several accomplishments to his name and you just sit around cutting and pasting articles to real jock that support your ideology. Personally I will take those that reach out to those they disagree with over people blinded by ideology any day.


    What a world you must live in to dismiss mass murder as a mere difference of ideology. I'm actually quite optimistic about the state of the world - I simply worry about how unsustainable US and more broadly western deficits/debts are and differ with a number on what the role of government is and should be.


    Where did I dismiss a mass murder? I was speaking specifically of and your behavior. Are you a mass murder?
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    riddler78 said
    MonkeyPuck saidYou are certainly entitled to your opinion of Jimmy Carter and his actions but there is probably a reason that he has several accomplishments to his name and you just sit around cutting and pasting articles to real jock that support your ideology. Personally I will take those that reach out to those they disagree with over people blinded by ideology any day.


    What a world you must live in to dismiss mass murder as a mere difference of ideology. I'm actually quite optimistic about the state of the world - I simply worry about how unsustainable US and more broadly western deficits/debts are and differ with a number on what the role of government is and should be.


    Where did I dismiss a mass murder?


    That you don't find Carter's actions in the very least distasteful if not outright offensive is remarkable given what Castro is responsible for. I see you just made an edit such that you emphasize the sole point of your response was a personal attack.
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    riddler78 said
    MonkeyPuck said
    riddler78 said
    MonkeyPuck saidYou are certainly entitled to your opinion of Jimmy Carter and his actions but there is probably a reason that he has several accomplishments to his name and you just sit around cutting and pasting articles to real jock that support your ideology. Personally I will take those that reach out to those they disagree with over people blinded by ideology any day.


    What a world you must live in to dismiss mass murder as a mere difference of ideology. I'm actually quite optimistic about the state of the world - I simply worry about how unsustainable US and more broadly western deficits/debts are and differ with a number on what the role of government is and should be.


    Where did I dismiss a mass murder?


    That you don't find Carter's actions in the very least distasteful if not outright offensive is remarkable given what Castro is responsible for. I see you just made an edit such that you emphasize the sole point of your response was a personal attack.


    I didn't comment on Carter's actions one way or another so you are inventing my stance on his comments. I compared his approach to yours which isn't a personal attack it is comparing the actions of two people. I also stated I thought his was a better approach. If you want to take personal offense then knock yourself out. Funny that you would be upset about personal attacks given your use of them.
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    Mar 31, 2011 5:13 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]LeanathleticDC said...You're a SOCKPUPPET riddler78.[/quote]


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    yeh-u-rite!


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    MonkeyPuck said...You are certainly entitled to your opinion of Jimmy Carter and his actions but there is probably a reason that he has several accomplishments to his name and you just sit around cutting and pasting articles to real jock that support your ideology. Personally I will take those that reach out to those they disagree with over people blinded by ideology any day.

    You are suggesting that riddler78, and, by extension, anyone who spends some time on RJ cannot be making significant accomplishments elsewhere. A completely unwarranted and unsubstantiated assumption.
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    Mar 31, 2011 6:30 PM GMT
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    Former President Carter did not leave the Americans hostages in Iran. Although it 444 days for the American eventual release it was done.11/19-11/20 13 were released and if memory serves they were women and children on /7/20/80 was released due to health reasons.

    The remaining 52 were released 1/20/81 which happened to be the same day of the Reagan Presidential Inauguration which why some times former president Reagan is credited for the release of the hostages.


    For one poster to say that Former President Carter left the hostages in Iran is just inaccurate.


    LEARN YOUR HISTORY , RONALD REAGAN WAS THE REASON THE HOSTAGES WERE RELEASED . IT JUST DIDNT HAPPEN YOU FOOL !
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    Ducky47 said
    Former President Carter did not leave the Americans hostages in Iran. Although it 444 days for the American eventual release it was done.11/19-11/20 13 were released and if memory serves they were women and children on /7/20/80 was released due to health reasons.

    The remaining 52 were released 1/20/81 which happened to be the same day of the Reagan Presidential Inauguration which why some times former president Reagan is credited for the release of the hostages.


    For one poster to say that Former President Carter left the hostages in Iran is just inaccurate.


    LEARN YOUR HISTORY , RONALD REAGAN WAS THE REASON THE HOSTAGES WERE RELEASED . IT JUST DIDNT HAPPEN YOU FOOL !


    You mean Warren Christopher, the chief negotiator for the U.S. at the Algiers Accords, was working for the Reagan administration?
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    Mar 31, 2011 7:06 PM GMT
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    MonkeyPuck said...You are certainly entitled to your opinion of Jimmy Carter and his actions but there is probably a reason that he has several accomplishments to his name and you just sit around cutting and pasting articles to real jock that support your ideology. Personally I will take those that reach out to those they disagree with over people blinded by ideology any day.

    You are suggesting that riddler78, and, by extension, anyone who spends some time on RJ cannot be making significant accomplishments elsewhere. A completely unwarranted and unsubstantiated assumption.


    No, I am not. I am suggesting that an individual (riddler7) spends his time posting articles on Real Jock so support his idealogical view rather than reaching out to those who he disagrees which is the process that former Pres. Carter uses. That in no way reflects on the productivity of the RJ community as a whole.
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    Mar 31, 2011 7:32 PM GMT
    I admire Carter for what he's been doing to promote peace and diplomacy since he left office.

    Reagan was a douche bag. Still is.

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    socalfitness said
    MonkeyPuck said...You are certainly entitled to your opinion of Jimmy Carter and his actions but there is probably a reason that he has several accomplishments to his name and you just sit around cutting and pasting articles to real jock that support your ideology. Personally I will take those that reach out to those they disagree with over people blinded by ideology any day.

    You are suggesting that riddler78, and, by extension, anyone who spends some time on RJ cannot be making significant accomplishments elsewhere. A completely unwarranted and unsubstantiated assumption.


    No, I am not. I am suggesting that an individual (riddler7) spends his time posting articles on Real Jock so support his idealogical view rather than reaching out to those who he disagrees which is the process that former Pres. Carter uses. That in no way reflects on the productivity of the RJ community as a whole.

    It is certainly true that any time any of us spend on RJ is time we could have spend doing something else, such as reaching out, etc. The point is though that we don't know what good deeds riddler78 or any of us might be doing when not on RJ, so any comparisons of someone here with someone in public life are generally not supportable.