Racism agains Muslims in Israel - (what would u do - Israel)

  • dglater

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    Apr 01, 2011 4:44 PM GMT
    Since we talk about the Middle East a lot here, I figured this would be worth watching icon_smile.gif
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    Also was able to find the 2nd part, the subtitles are shitty but they are still readable!

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    Apr 01, 2011 9:53 PM GMT
    Now people will complain that Israel stole from John Quinones.
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    Apr 01, 2011 10:13 PM GMT
    These videos are AMAZING. From just looking at them it looks like the average Israeli is more in favor of defending Arabs and Muslims than the average American is. I saw the American version of this and many more Americans let discrimination happen. Actually, this is probably the single most video to convince me to be more tolerant and supportive of Muslims.

    Before the psychotic "I HATE ALL ISRAEL" fanatics come in to ejaculate their obsessive compulsive Tazmanian devil fits all over the thread, I just want to say this: Israelis don't hate Muslims and they don't hate Arabs. The 10% which are ULTRA-ORTHODOX Jews in Jerusalem do. They're the problem and they're as much of the problem as Hamas are.

    It would really be nice to take the 10% crazy Jews and 10% crazy Muslims and throw them out and then there will be peace.
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    Apr 01, 2011 10:49 PM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidThese videos are AMAZING. From just looking at them it looks like the average Israeli is more in favor of defending Arabs and Muslims than the average American is. I saw the American version of this and many more Americans let discrimination happen.

    Before the psychotic "I HATE ALL ISRAEL" fanatics come in to ejaculate their obsessive compulsive Tazmanian devil fits all over the thread, I just want to say this: Israelis don't hate Muslims and they don't hate Arabs. The 10% which are ULTRA-ORTHODOX Jews in Jerusalem do. They're the problem and they're as much of the problem as Hamas are.



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    This is great !! and exactly how I thought the average Jewish person is toward the arabs, Its just a shame that the Zionist Fanatics like Lieberman and his pushing for settlements along with NetanYahu going along with those far righters, fucks up negotiations for peace by continueing the settlement building, over and again I've said the everyday jewish person doesn't share the Fanaticism that blocks peace by stepping on the rights of Palestinians by continuing settlement construction and other violations of their rights. thank you for posting this, and I wish that you all would not confuse disgust for Zionist Fanatics such as C4, (who try to make right and defend, settlements and other violations of Palestinians rights), with being anti semitic. You mentioned the ULTRA ORTHODOX Jews as the problem but you need to add those like Liebermand and the C4 types who make the rest of the good and decent jews look bad, because the good ones are quiet and the bad ones are out there in everyones face finding every way possible to defend displacing Palestinians for settlements. So we call them out !!!. There needs to be more moderate jews calling them out too.

    Do any of you have vids of Jewish young people demonstrating against NetanYahu ? Wouldn't it serve the Jewish cause better if you promoted good will between Jews and the Palestinians instead of defending the likes of C4 ? Is there any defense for such things as his Shitzpah to actually suggest and defend his suggestions that the Gazans weren't hungry enough to need the flotilla on which some fanatics killed 9 people, after the fanatics started the aggression ? do yourselves a favor and distance yourselves from such idiots as C4, with friends like him who needs enemies for your cause. ? Think about it !!! Think about not jumping to the conclusion that speaking out in direct terms to counter C4's fanaticism against the rights of Palestinians is not Anti semitic. Grab every opportunity to consider how the palestinians might feel while being put in such deperate positions because of the Zionist Fanatics. then befriend those Palestinians and call out wrongfull Zionist acts against them. You Do this and you will see peace !! keep quiet and defend C4's Ilk and you will be lumped in with him. IS THIS REALLY SO HARD TO SEE? HIS MINDSET DOES HARM TO PEACE !!!
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    Apr 01, 2011 10:56 PM GMT
    Racism is not a one way street, nor is it the first time in history when the persecuted, become the persecutors, the hunters, the pack of wolves.
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    Apr 01, 2011 11:09 PM GMT
    True_Blue_Aussie saidRacism is not a one way street, nor is it the first time in history when the persecuted, become the persecutors, the hunters, the pack of wolves.


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    Your right here, but its the Zionist fanatics for instance who promote settlements that displace Palestinians, or defend killing 9 people on an aide ship, The C4's that never see anything but Zionism is always right, no points are valid unless in favor of Israel. IT IS NOT THE EVERYDAY JEWISH PEOPLE WHO ARE BEHIND THIS !! The everyday Jewish population don't like a lot of that crap either, but what can they do to stop the likes of Lieberman promoting settlements for instance, unless they join the Palestinians in demonstrations ?
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    Apr 02, 2011 4:02 AM GMT
    realifedad said
    This is great !! and exactly how I thought the average Jewish person is toward the arabs,


    I'm actually surprised you said this. Kuddos. I thought you were completely bat-shit crazy but it's good to know you don't view the whole country of Israel as NEONAZIFASCISTRACISTZIONISTPOOPBLAHBLAHBLAH
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    Apr 02, 2011 4:26 AM GMT
    lol jake...
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    Apr 02, 2011 5:24 AM GMT
    realifedad said
    JAKEBENSON saidThese videos are AMAZING. From just looking at them it looks like the average Israeli is more in favor of defending Arabs and Muslims than the average American is. I saw the American version of this and many more Americans let discrimination happen.

    Before the psychotic "I HATE ALL ISRAEL" fanatics come in to ejaculate their obsessive compulsive Tazmanian devil fits all over the thread, I just want to say this: Israelis don't hate Muslims and they don't hate Arabs. The 10% which are ULTRA-ORTHODOX Jews in Jerusalem do. They're the problem and they're as much of the problem as Hamas are.



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    This is great !! and exactly how I thought the average Jewish person is toward the arabs, Its just a shame that the Zionist Fanatics like Lieberman and his pushing for settlements along with NetanYahu going along with those far righters, fucks up negotiations for peace by continueing the settlement building, over and again I've said the everyday jewish person doesn't share the Fanaticism that blocks peace by stepping on the rights of Palestinians by continuing settlement construction and other violations of their rights. thank you for posting this, and I wish that you all would not confuse disgust for Zionist Fanatics such as C4, (who try to make right and defend, settlements and other violations of Palestinians rights), with being anti semitic. You mentioned the ULTRA ORTHODOX Jews as the problem but you need to add those like Liebermand and the C4 types who make the rest of the good and decent jews look bad, because the good ones are quiet and the bad ones are out there in everyones face finding every way possible to defend displacing Palestinians for settlements. So we call them out !!!. There needs to be more moderate jews calling them out too.

    Do any of you have vids of Jewish young people demonstrating against NetanYahu ? Wouldn't it serve the Jewish cause better if you promoted good will between Jews and the Palestinians instead of defending the likes of C4 ? Is there any defense for such things as his Shitzpah to actually suggest and defend his suggestions that the Gazans weren't hungry enough to need the flotilla on which some fanatics killed 9 people, after the fanatics started the aggression ? do yourselves a favor and distance yourselves from such idiots as C4, with friends like him who needs enemies for your cause. ? Think about it !!! Think about not jumping to the conclusion that speaking out in direct terms to counter C4's fanaticism against the rights of Palestinians is not Anti semitic. Grab every opportunity to consider how the palestinians might feel while being put in such deperate positions because of the Zionist Fanatics. then befriend those Palestinians and call out wrongfull Zionist acts against them. You Do this and you will see peace !! keep quiet and defend C4's Ilk and you will be lumped in with him. IS THIS REALLY SO HARD TO SEE? HIS MINDSET DOES HARM TO PEACE !!!


    I stopped reading your post after you said "Zionist Fanatics"
    I swear man its people like you, with the mind set like yours on both side who are the obstacle of peace, I'm sure in your mind you think you are right and you are for peace, but its just that childish inappropriate language, and name calling that you do all the time, which causes bitterness for each other.
    You called C4, Me, and Lieberman a "Zionist Fanatic" I am a member of Meretz, a lefty/liberal political party in Israel, Lieberman's party is in the opposite side of the political spectrum, I have no Idea where C4 stands in Israeli politics, but the fact remains your attitude resembles a witch hunt against Jewish people who do not see eye to eye with you on the issues...

    It's like the fucking idiots who label all Muslims in the same category... Muslims are so diverse in every way possible to be diverse, from their skin color to their nationality. From political opinion to the the way they see God and the Koran, (Sunni, Shiite, Zaidi, Ismaili and Sufism) yet... in their had if a muslim person does not see eye to eye with them on some issues they are a... Pick one: Islamic Extremist, Terrorist, Muslim Extremist, Jihadist....)

    If you want to personally attack people of the Jewish faith, then you are achieving that goal. However, if you want to peace peace and corporation between 2 nations that are blood related, then you need to change the way you do things.
    my 2cents, Tnx.
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    Apr 02, 2011 5:43 PM GMT
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    realifedad said
    JAKEBENSON saidThese videos are AMAZING. From just looking at them it looks like the average Israeli is more in favor of defending Arabs and Muslims than the average American is. I saw the American version of this and many more Americans let discrimination happen.

    Before the psychotic "I HATE ALL ISRAEL" fanatics come in to ejaculate their obsessive compulsive Tazmanian devil fits all over the thread, I just want to say this: Israelis don't hate Muslims and they don't hate Arabs. The 10% which are ULTRA-ORTHODOX Jews in Jerusalem do. They're the problem and they're as much of the problem as Hamas are.



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    This is great !! and exactly how I thought the average Jewish person is toward the arabs, Its just a shame that the Zionist Fanatics like Lieberman and his pushing for settlements along with NetanYahu going along with those far righters, fucks up negotiations for peace by continueing the settlement building, over and again I've said the everyday jewish person doesn't share the Fanaticism that blocks peace by stepping on the rights of Palestinians by continuing settlement construction and other violations of their rights. thank you for posting this, and I wish that you all would not confuse disgust for Zionist Fanatics such as C4, (who try to make right and defend, settlements and other violations of Palestinians rights), with being anti semitic. You mentioned the ULTRA ORTHODOX Jews as the problem but you need to add those like Liebermand and the C4 types who make the rest of the good and decent jews look bad, because the good ones are quiet and the bad ones are out there in everyones face finding every way possible to defend displacing Palestinians for settlements. So we call them out !!!. There needs to be more moderate jews calling them out too.

    Do any of you have vids of Jewish young people demonstrating against NetanYahu ? Wouldn't it serve the Jewish cause better if you promoted good will between Jews and the Palestinians instead of defending the likes of C4 ? Is there any defense for such things as his Shitzpah to actually suggest and defend his suggestions that the Gazans weren't hungry enough to need the flotilla on which some fanatics killed 9 people, after the fanatics started the aggression ? do yourselves a favor and distance yourselves from such idiots as C4, with friends like him who needs enemies for your cause. ? Think about it !!! Think about not jumping to the conclusion that speaking out in direct terms to counter C4's fanaticism against the rights of Palestinians is not Anti semitic. Grab every opportunity to consider how the palestinians might feel while being put in such deperate positions because of the Zionist Fanatics. then befriend those Palestinians and call out wrongfull Zionist acts against them. You Do this and you will see peace !! keep quiet and defend C4's Ilk and you will be lumped in with him. IS THIS REALLY SO HARD TO SEE? HIS MINDSET DOES HARM TO PEACE !!!


    I stopped reading your post after you said "Zionist Fanatics"
    I swear man its people like you, with the mind set like yours on both side who are the obstacle of peace, I'm sure in your mind you think you are right and you are for peace, but its just that childish inappropriate language, and name calling that you do all the time, which causes bitterness for each other.
    You called C4, Me, and Lieberman a "Zionist Fanatic" I am a member of Meretz, a lefty/liberal political party in Israel, Lieberman's party is in the opposite side of the political spectrum, I have no Idea where C4 stands in Israeli politics, but the fact remains your attitude resembles a witch hunt against Jewish people who do not see eye to eye with you on the issues...

    It's like the fucking idiots who label all Muslims in the same category... Muslims are so diverse in every way possible to be diverse, from their skin color to their nationality. From political opinion to the the way they see God and the Koran, (Sunni, Shiite, Zaidi, Ismaili and Sufism) yet... in their had if a muslim person does not see eye to eye with them on some issues they are a... Pick one: Islamic Extremist, Terrorist, Muslim Extremist, Jihadist....)

    If you want to personally attack people of the Jewish faith, then you are achieving that goal. However, if you want to peace peace and corporation between 2 nations that are blood related, then you need to change the way you do things.
    my 2cents, Tnx.


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    your '2cents' worth was rendered useless by your saying that you stopped reading as soon as you read the words ZIONIST FANATICS, you again jumped to the conclusion that I was labeling all jews as fanatics, you claimed I called you a ZIONIST FANATIC, no I did not, I gave you hell a few times for defending one name here CEASEREA4, You went on above at length to say that I was lumping all jews in with him and that I shouldn't do that and that its people who label like "me" that are the problem.

    Trouble is your doing to me what you claim I am doing to all jews

    for the umteenth time a ZIONIST FANATIC is one who like C4 only sees things as right if they are to the benefit of Israel, such as steeling land and displacing Palestinians from their homes then building settlements, another example is defending such blatant abuses of human rights as initiating violence in international waters and killing 9 people on an aid flotilla. Lieberman is one of the prmary ZIONIST FANATICS who promote building settlements on Palestinian land and territories. There is no better way to expose such people than to call it what it is, ZIONIST FANATICISM, that is what created and still is creating the block to peace, it is not the people who expose their fanaticism and lebel it what it is. Why are you so afraid of the truth where those two are concerned ?? Is it not Zionists who promote building settlements on stolen lands ? Is it not Fanatical to actually believe that its right and ok to do that as long as its for Israel ? Is it not fanatical to live and breath and support that anything done for Israel is always right and that anyone who exposes their wrongdoing is a jew hater.
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    Apr 02, 2011 11:09 PM GMT
    Could you summarize what and who do you believe a Zionist is, I'm truly trying to understand your point of view, Who is a Zionist in your view, and what qualifies one to be a Zionist.
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    Apr 02, 2011 11:33 PM GMT
    dglater saidCould you summarize what and who do you believe a Zionist is, I'm truly trying to understand your point of view, Who is a Zionist in your view, and what qualifies one to be a Zionist.


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    A Zionist in its pure and rightful form is one who believes in a Jewish homeland, there is nothing wrong with jewish people wanting and looking forward to having a homeland


    a ZIONIST FANATIC is a zionist whose mindset has it that they should get that homeland at any cost, no matter whose rights they trample on to get their homeland, They will use and defend whatever tactics it takes. To me Lieberman is an example of a ZIONIST FANATIC, he has pushed for settlement building, for removing palestinians, and he believes there is nothing at all wrong with it.

    C4 is one also, he defends every wrongful act against the Palestinians according to his posts,

    now you see that there is a difference between my giving hell to fanatics who trample over Palestinians rights and how I have no problem whatever with the majority of Jewish people who may or may not be pro jewish homeland or Zionists, but the Fanatics give Zionism a very bad name.

    I am hoping that you can see that I am not in the least prejudiced agains Jewish people, I just think its very wrong to kick someone off their land, then build a home on it as a zionist fanatic would do, there is no excuse for doing that.

    You would find me very friendly to you, but if you supported Leibermans idea for annexing settlements that sit on land that belongs to palestinians, then we could not get along. do you see the difference ?
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    Apr 03, 2011 2:42 AM GMT
    In realifedad's defense, I did train him to use the phrase "Zionist fanatic" instead of "Zionist" to differentiate between psychopathic ultra-orthodox Jews who wanted Israel to be a Jewish state at all costs (the former) and the normal Jews who simply believed that they should have a Jewish country (the latter). If anything it nudges realifedad's rhetoric slightly towards being more focused and relevant on what he dislikes.
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    Apr 03, 2011 3:38 AM GMT
    realifedad said
    dglater saidCould you summarize what and who do you believe a Zionist is, I'm truly trying to understand your point of view, Who is a Zionist in your view, and what qualifies one to be a Zionist.


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    A Zionist in its pure and rightful form is one who believes in a Jewish homeland, there is nothing wrong with jewish people wanting and looking forward to having a homeland


    a ZIONIST FANATIC is a zionist whose mindset has it that they should get that homeland at any cost, no matter whose rights they trample on to get their homeland, They will use and defend whatever tactics it takes. To me Lieberman is an example of a ZIONIST FANATIC, he has pushed for settlement building, for removing palestinians, and he believes there is nothing at all wrong with it.

    C4 is one also, he defends every wrongful act against the Palestinians according to his posts,

    now you see that there is a difference between my giving hell to fanatics who trample over Palestinians rights and how I have no problem whatever with the majority of Jewish people who may or may not be pro jewish homeland or Zionists, but the Fanatics give Zionism a very bad name.

    I am hoping that you can see that I am not in the least prejudiced agains Jewish people, I just think its very wrong to kick someone off their land, then build a home on it as a zionist fanatic would do, there is no excuse for doing that.

    You would find me very friendly to you, but if you supported Leibermans idea for annexing settlements that sit on land that belongs to palestinians, then we could not get along. do you see the difference ?


    Like I said before I support Meretz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Movement_%E2%80%93_Meretz

    not a fan of Lieberman, but I also understand the fact that Bibi, had to have him there to form a coalition so he can be in power, thats just politics.

    ok as to your answer, yea I see where you are coming from, now tell me so as a Jew, are you shocked that one gets offended when people use the term Zionist to if in it by its self it was a derogatorily term?
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    dglater, good to read your pleasant messages.
    I'm not shocked that jewish people would be upset about the use of the word Zionism. What I cannot understand though is why they would not expect the worlds onlookers to be down on supporters of the kind of Zionism responsible for taking Palestinians lands and then building settlements on them.

    Additionally If anyone points that out as wrong to most jewish people, the person doing so is immediately labeled as a Jew Hater, then the jewish person goes into defending that faction of Zionism doing the wrong against the palestinians. Then they wonder why Zionism is becoming a term covering Jewish people in general.

    Here on RJ we have C4 that defends and goes to great torturous lengths to justify everything ever done against the rights of Palestinians, if it was done by a fellow Zionist on behalf of Israel, Its right and there is a righteous reason behind it according to him, This C4 belittles every Palestinian, middle Easterm person, or anyone else as soon as they point out wrongs, labeling them liars, liars for the cause, Jew Haters, Stupid and god knows how many more derogatory names and statements. Call him out for it, or use his own tactics against him because his rhetoric begs for it and the jewish members go into overdrive to defend him and start throwing out the Jew Hater statements.

    Again, why are jewish people not calling these kind of fanatics out themselves? rather than defending such actions, when you defend wrong you get labeled right along with them, so it stands that if a fanatical zionist is called out for wrongdoing, don't defend him if you don't want to appear just like him. You wouldn't be any less jewish because you won't go along with wrongs done by a Zionist Fanatic who makes all of you look bad, especially if you defend him.

    Lastly, your being reasonable to converse with here, your not labeling me Jew Hater for telling you what I think, and I'm not labeling you a Zionist Fanatic either, actually I never thought you were anyways, no reason we cannot talk is there. There's a lot of difference between talking to you and a fanatic like C4, Its refreshing !!
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    Apr 03, 2011 7:18 AM GMT
    Despite the misleading topic title, this undercover video in Israel shows that most Israelis (only 5% agreed with the staged seller boycotting Arabs) not only aren't racist but disagreed vehemently, offering to buy - or just buying - the Arab (actress) the coffee that the concessionaire (actor) wouldn't provide and threatening to call the police since such discrimination is illegal in Israel.


    A study in hatist racist nonsense:

    realifedad> the C4 types who make the rest of the good and decent jews look bad

    This statement is no different than the homophobes who pretend that drag queens or leather daddies "make the rest of the good and decent gays look bad".

    Indeed, the notion that an alleged small minority can make the entire group "look bad" is the very foundation of racism.

    I suspect it won't surprise many that RLD has also come out saying that Jews are Christ killers.
    (Followed up by pouncer saying that at least Muslims revere Christ as a prophet.)


    dglater> [RLD's] attitude resembles a witch hunt against Jewish people who do not see eye to eye with you on the issues...

    That's exactly right. On one hand he pretends that some of his best friends are Jewish, that he has nothing against the Jews most of whom are "good and decent" people, but then he justifies his witch hunt (i.e. stalking & bullying) by labeling each and every Jew who dares to speak up as a "bad" Jew. Or even if he doesn't speak up. As he himself says: "keep quiet and defend C4's Ilk and you will be lumped in with him." In RLD's racist mind, the only good Jew is the "cured Jew" (think cured homosexual) or the Capo.


    JakeBenson> it nudges realifedad's rhetoric slightly towards being more focused and relevant on what he dislikes.

    It just allows him to mask his own extremist hate with a faux qualifier.


    JB> ULTRA-ORTHODOX Jews in Jerusalem... They're the problem and they're as much of the problem as Hamas are.

    False equivalence.
    These Jews do not advocate the genocide of Arabs or Muslims, unlike Hamas.
    These Jews do not (with only a handful of noteable exceptions - over decades) perpetrate attacks on civilians.
    Unlike Hamas terrorism (which RLD and his ilk seek to rationalize and justify rather than condemn).


    dglater> I have no Idea where C4 stands in Israeli politics

    Neither does RLD (nor does it matter to him), but as noted that doesn't stop his tirade of hate.

    One need look no further than these topics to see just how full of it he is:

    UNSCR 242, Oslo Accords, Camp David 2000 and Taba 2001
    (I support the Clinton COMPROMISE parameters. Do you?!)

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/354843

    Yalla, Peace!
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    Apr 03, 2011 7:36 AM GMT
    You're a simpleton who confuses slogans and soundbites for thought and whose only goal is to demonize Israel.
    Not in the cause of peace, but in an attempt to rationalize and justify the contued war to destroy the Jewish state.

    You oppose negotiations and compromise and delude yourself into thinking that "peace" is to be achieved by Israel surrendering to a list of ransom demands (with no assurances of anything in return).

    For others not so limited, I suggest they review these topics:

    "Palestine" is the Latin/European name for Eretz Yisrael, the Jewish homeland
    - and Arab denials of the existence of "Palestine".

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/349491

    Judaism is the religion of the Jewish people.
    (Judaism is a religion, Jews are an ethnic group)

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/494893

    Arabs are not indigenous to Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/979648

    Jerusalem
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/887747

    1947-1948: Arabs reject compromise and attack Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/960691

    Jaffa: 94% fled before entry of Israeli forces; 6% became Israeli citizens
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/960691#54845_1035438_name

    CRITICAL DAY - September 30th - Day Of Decision From Israel
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    Pallywood: fake news revealed
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/897708

    Judge Goldstone smells the coffee
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1469998

    Gaza crowd of up to 100,000 chants "Death to America" at anti-peace rally
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1212223

    Free Gaza from what truly afflicts it: Hamas
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/973888

    Countries that support gays or kill them
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/984797

    Gay Palestinians
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1061322

    Gay Arabs and Jews
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1188955

    Israel Gay Pride 2011
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    Apr 03, 2011 7:44 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair> Great nice going... spamming in this thread with your useless anti-Palestinian links?

    How odd - I was just responding to your anti-Israel spam propaganda.
    What was that doing in this topic - and so many others? (including topics such as the 2008 Olympics!)
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    c4I suspect it won't surprise many that RLD has also come out saying that Jews are Christ killers.
    (Followed up by pouncer saying that at least Muslims revere Christ as a prophet.)

    A direct, bold-faced lie.

    OK, pouncer only confirmed RLD's racist comment.

    realifedad> Jews rejected the bible's Christ and hung him on a cross.
    ...So what does Judaism teach about this Jesus, do they believe like the Muslims that he was a great teacher/prophet ? Or was he a total impostor as far as Judaism teaches?

    pouncer> More or less the latter. Jews are still waiting for the real Messiah to come. Generally they have a pretty strong belief that he will at some point turn up (though he may tarry) and they read the Bible as saying that he'll only come once all of the land of Israel is Jew-populated (hence the crazed rush to settle the West Bank). For Jews this putative "coming" will be the first (Jesus wasn't the Messiah) but for Christians it'll actually be Jesus' second coming that they think they'll be getting. (What they don't tell Jews is that in the Christian tradition Christ kills or converts all the Jews in this glorious future event for doubting him).

    Oh, those silly, ignorant Jews, eh?
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    Apr 03, 2011 8:12 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair> Meretz was established in 1992 and they are not that big group in Israel. They are like 3 seats in Knesset and there are like 120 members in the Knesset? I wish all the Zionists be like Meretz supporters and share land with the Palestinians.

    Meretz wasn't really new in 1992 but a merger of 3 parties, including Mapam (dating back to 1948, the other two dating back to the early 1970s).

    Meretz isn't the only party that supports sharing land and has lost support to other such parties (primarily Kadima - Israel's largest!) as well as due to on-going Arab violence and terrorism.

    Where and what is the counterpart to Meretz, or even Kadima, amongst the Palestinian Arabs?
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    Apr 03, 2011 8:28 AM GMT
    It's comical to see you calling someone else "one-sided".

    Where and what is the counterpart to Meretz, or even Kadima, amongst the Palestinian Arabs?
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    Where and what is the counterpart to Meretz, or even Kadima, amongst the Palestinian Arabs?



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    Where and what is the counterpart to Meretz, or even Kadima, amongst the Palestinian Arabs?

    sxydrkhair> Look it up on Wikipedia. Not hard to find.

    LOL. Sounds like you don't know and couldn't find it.

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    Apr 03, 2011 10:08 AM GMT
    Caesarea4 said
    JakeBenson> it nudges realifedad's rhetoric slightly towards being more focused and relevant on what he dislikes.

    It just allows him to mask his own extremist hate with a faux qualifier.


    Possibly, but still what he says is more accurate than just a blanket statement of "Zionists" overall. That's like when I go off on Muslims I REALLY mean FUNDAMENTALIST Muslims. So I try to say that instead so I don't isolate the majority of Muslims who are normal people. Same with Christian fundamentalists.

    Caesarea4 said
    JB> ULTRA-ORTHODOX Jews in Jerusalem... They're the problem and they're as much of the problem as Hamas are.

    False equivalence.
    These Jews do not advocate the genocide of Arabs or Muslims, unlike Hamas.
    These Jews do not (with only a handful of noteable exceptions - over decades) perpetrate attacks on civilians.
    Unlike Hamas terrorism (which RLD and his ilk seek to rationalize and justify rather than condemn).


    Don't "false equivalence" me mutha fugga. I'm a Jew and I'll Jewbacca at you! The Ultra-Orthodox Jews are AS MUCH as a problem as the Hamas in as much as both groups do NOT want the other side to be part of the country. Hamas is far more violent than the ultra-orthodox Jews are. But their mentalities are similar.
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    JAKEBENSON said
    Caesarea4 said
    JakeBenson> it nudges realifedad's rhetoric slightly towards being more focused and relevant on what he dislikes.

    It just allows him to mask his own extremist hate with a faux qualifier.


    Possibly, but still what he says is more accurate than just a blanket statement of "Zionists" overall. That's like when I go off on Muslims I REALLY mean FUNDAMENTALIST Muslims. So I try to say that instead so I don't isolate the majority of Muslims who are normal people. Same with Christian fundamentalists.

    Caesarea4 said
    JB> ULTRA-ORTHODOX Jews in Jerusalem... They're the problem and they're as much of the problem as Hamas are.

    False equivalence.
    These Jews do not advocate the genocide of Arabs or Muslims, unlike Hamas.
    These Jews do not (with only a handful of noteable exceptions - over decades) perpetrate attacks on civilians.
    Unlike Hamas terrorism (which RLD and his ilk seek to rationalize and justify rather than condemn).


    Don't "false equivalence" me mutha fugga. I'm a Jew and I'll Jewbacca at you! The Ultra-Orthodox Jews are AS MUCH as a problem as the Hamas in as much as both groups do NOT want the other side to be part of the country. Hamas is far more violent than the ultra-orthodox Jews are. But their mentalities are similar.


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    Thank you and dglater, for being very reasonable to converse with on this, Jake, you and I have gone at each other a time ore two, I thought you were defending C4 in 'total', while you thought I'd lumped all jews into one mindset.

    Yes you did encourage me to differenciate between Zionists and Zionist Fanatics, I did and still do think that C4 is one of the latter, but his claiming that my finding his fanatical Zionists are always right rhetoric, is "hatest, racest, nonsense", and that I hold "extremist hate" against the Jews, is a total fabrication.

    I hate all Jews about as much as I hate my right leg, yes the sciatic nerve causes me trouble, but I'm not going to get rid of the whole leg over one painful nerve, no more than I believe that all Jews are a pain in the ass and should be done away with, because the loud and obnoxious C4's among the jews makes them look bad, especially when defended.

    C4 would have done us all a favor by not lieing about "ignoring" my posts here on RJ and kept his word by actually doing so. Now he's entered our reasonable discussion and soured it by his ( I Leeron am always right )Fanaticism, can you see even clearer now (Jake and dglater) by his exhibit here of being an OBNOXIOUS PAIN IN THE ASS why I've dished his hell right back at him ?

    I'll ask C4 now kindly to leave this reasonable discussion between we moderates, we are getting along fine, and making progress understanding each other. Please leave us alone and stop proving that your Obnoxious