So Today I Welcomed The Guests From The Gay Cruise

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    Apr 01, 2011 8:36 PM GMT
    In the island of Saint Maarten,..

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    and I noticed that...

    Faced for the first time with 2000 gay men all at once stepping out of a cruise ship...

    That there was something odd...

    Most men walk around and interact in groups and gangs of at least four or more...

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    I found this to be universally true of cultures everywhere...

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    With males of all ages

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    This is why humans often form teams and associations of men (sports teams, music groups, the military, secret societies etc )

    However, with women, interaction is unusally one-on-one, more private, more intimate, and groups of them dont readily outnumber two or three

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    Now with the 2000 gay men, I noticed immediately what was so strange, is that no matter how large the groups of men were, they always automatically split up into two-somes and three-somes everywhere... in short, the group dynamics were equivalent to that of female behaviour.. nowhere at all, and i mean NOWHERE at all among those gay men did I see group formation, interaction or dynamics, which I see so characteristically among my straight friends and other straight males that i know

    Other interesting things: in straight groups, males typically try to "dominate" eachother with banter or rough houseing, establishing a pecking-order... males tend not to adress other males privately, but address the group as a whole and keep a group dynamic going..

    the gay males did nothing of the sort... the smaller groups, and one-on-one interaction.. so typical of females.. never ceased the whole day


    very interesting.. I never would have been able to observe that phenomenon anywhere else except on that 2000 gay men strong cruise stepping out of a boat... there were virtually no straight men or women on that whole dock... a unique opportunity.. very interesting..

    Any thoughts???
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    Apr 01, 2011 8:41 PM GMT
    I would love to observe this.

    As scientists have figured out, the gay male behavioral pattern and brain chemistry is very similar to the brain of a straight woman. I should take a gay cruise.

    I don't really have that comradeship with any group of gays though. Only my straight friends.
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    Apr 01, 2011 8:44 PM GMT
    TrevorMark saidI don't really have that comradeship with any group of gays though. Only my straight friends.


    Exactly... comradeship is a typical straight male behaviour, i found out today
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    Apr 01, 2011 9:09 PM GMT
    Well, this is a very narrow & specialized sample, those men that booked on a cruise ship. Most will have booked as couples, or as least as buddies, and as such, might choose to spend their time seeing the sights onshore together. You don't know that they might very well have fallen into small social groups of other men while the ship is at sea, where their activities are confined to the ship, and have followed the very same straight male behaviors you describe.

    The real test would be to compare this with another cruise ship of all straight men, and see what their behavior is on shore. Would they tour the island in little gaggles, or break into smaller twos and threes?
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    Apr 01, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
    I have observed that gay boys in general like cliques, which is a very "female" characteristic. Hetero boys and gay boys with strong hetero characteristics tend to go and/or interact in packs like dogs.
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    Apr 01, 2011 10:43 PM GMT
    Desmond Morris, author of "The Naked Ape" (a study of human behavior), noted that adolescents tend to form same-sex groups. He speculates that it better prepares heterosexual humans for their later procreative sexual roles.

    Because once they enter puberty, and young adulthood, their attitude changes, and the opposite sex they once avoided quickly become very attractive. Morris thinks the earlier avoidance behavior is evolutionary, in order to intensify same-sex attachments when they happen. (His model does not deal with homosexual behavior)

    Yet we also observe, at least in the US, that adult men later seem to exhibit their earlier adolescent behavior, and I don't think Morris explains that, either. We often call it "male bonding" and we especially see it regarding sports, whether playing it or spectating. Even just all sitting together on the home sofa watching TV football, or taking camping trips, or doing other "guy stuff," the "boys' night out."

    Which, BTW, a mob of us gay guys do here about once a week or so, 12 or 14 going out for drinks and sometimes dinner afterwards. Or just having house parties, or boat parties, or whatever.

    My own, non-scientific view is that this is indeed evolutionary, but not directly sexual, as Morris supposes. Rather, I think it reflects hundreds of thousands of years of human division of practical roles between men and women.

    Morris sees some of this himself, when he notes most sports involve throwing, chasing & aiming skills, all analogous with the earliest human, mostly male, survival skills. Yet he doesn't seem to realize the cultural implications of his observation, as well.

    Ancient males had to organize for group hunts and other group efforts. Therefore modern men still have a preference & talent for organizing collectively. Whereas the domestic female role calls for more narrow interpersonal skills, in the achievement of less violent solutions.
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    Apr 02, 2011 3:46 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidWell, this is a very narrow & specialized sample, those men that booked on a cruise ship. Most will have booked as couples, or as least as buddies, and as such, might choose to spend their time seeing the sights onshore together.

    The real test would be to compare this with another cruise ship of all straight men, and see what their behavior is on shore. Would they tour the island in little gaggles, or break into smaller twos and threes?


    Well many were couples.. but even on straight cruises I see enough single people... its impossible that on teh two thousand men they ALL were couples

    And no, on straight cruises, the people do not usually travel in groups of two or three... they are often enough gangs of four or more.. something which I did not see at all on the gay cruise
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    Apr 02, 2011 3:48 AM GMT
    DOMINUS saidI have observed that gay boys in general like cliques, which is a very "female" characteristic. Hetero boys and gay boys with strong hetero characteristics tend to go and/or interact in packs like dogs.


    Yup, this is the first time I saw that... most of the time there arent enough gay men together on a small caribbean island to observe this
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    Apr 02, 2011 3:48 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidAncient males had to organize for group hunts and other group efforts. Therefore modern men still have a preference & talent for organizing collectively. Whereas the domestic female role calls for more narrow interpersonal skills, in the achievement of less violent solutions.


    Yup, thats exactly what I noticed as well