"What Do You Believe In? Science Or Religion?"

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    Apr 06, 2011 2:54 AM GMT
    I hate that question...

    So my reply is:

    "What do you eat with? Cutlery or chopsticks?"
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    Apr 07, 2011 12:01 AM GMT
    People believe in science is because it can be proven. People believe in religion because it cannot be proven. Faith is irrelevant to the scientific method. Faith is everything to religion.

    If everyone stopped believing in scientific principles, they would still exist. Gravity wouldn't cease to exist if people don't believe in it.
    If everyone stopped believing in a religion it would cease to exist. People today aren't afraid of Ragnarok because they stopped believing in Norse mythology.


    The Enlightenment happened centuries ago, and it amazes me that people today can't look at the world around them with a critical eye.
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    Apr 07, 2011 12:06 AM GMT
    I beleive in god. I don't judge people who don't and thankfully most of the athiest I know respect that and don't spend time talking down to me because of it.
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    Apr 07, 2011 12:09 AM GMT
    Science is the study of "how" things happen.
    Religion is the hypothetical explanation of "why" things happen.

    They are not even remotely related.
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    Apr 07, 2011 12:09 AM GMT
    Both.

    I don't see science and religion as being mutually exclusive. As a mainline Christian, I see science as a method to better understand God's creation and all it encompasses. Science allows us to explore and understand things on a much deeper level that simply couldn't be answered by simple observation.
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    Apr 07, 2011 12:16 AM GMT
    ..in some traditions they see creation as the Great Architect of the Universe, in which case science is a process by which to understand it's method.

    For some though it seems it comes down to the idea of creation without consciousness. How could it balance if we recognize consciousness in ourselves and the world...in which case maybe we define consciousness incorrectly.
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    Apr 07, 2011 12:19 AM GMT
    Columbusite saidBoth.

    I don't see science and religion as being mutually exclusive. As a mainline Christian, I see science as a method to better understand God's creation and all it encompasses. Science allows us to explore and understand things on a much deeper level that simply couldn't be answered by simple observation.


    Agree.
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    Apr 07, 2011 12:22 AM GMT
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    Columbusite saidBoth.

    I don't see science and religion as being mutually exclusive. As a mainline Christian, I see science as a method to better understand God's creation and all it encompasses. Science allows us to explore and understand things on a much deeper level that simply couldn't be answered by simple observation.


    Agree.


    Thanks man. People have made them mutually exclusive for their own reasons, be they religious (for those who see religion as a farce and make-believe) or scientific (for those who see science as anti-God and too humanistic). We as humans often forget that life isn't strictly black and white; a fact that makes many people nervous and fearful because it represents being outside of their comfort zone and falsely created world of comfort and safety.
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    Apr 07, 2011 12:28 AM GMT
    No problem, for some people everything is eitheir one or the other and you touched on something I forgot to mention.
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    Apr 07, 2011 12:38 AM GMT
    I believe, that neither is complete w/o the other.
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    Apr 07, 2011 12:38 AM GMT
    Columbusite said
    Aiden19 said
    Columbusite saidBoth.

    I don't see science and religion as being mutually exclusive. As a mainline Christian, I see science as a method to better understand God's creation and all it encompasses. Science allows us to explore and understand things on a much deeper level that simply couldn't be answered by simple observation.


    Agree.


    Thanks man. People have made them mutually exclusive for their own reasons, be they religious (for those who see religion as a farce and make-believe) or scientific (for those who see science as anti-God and too humanistic). We as humans often forget that life isn't strictly black and white; a fact that makes many people nervous and fearful because it represents being outside of their comfort zone and falsely created world of comfort and safety.


    Very good answer. I'd be hard pressed to have stated it better myself.
  • wellwell

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    Apr 07, 2011 12:42 AM GMT
    " Truth can never bow to the limited understanding, of Man; the comprehension of man must expand, to grasp it."

    The Kolbrin
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    Apr 07, 2011 12:43 AM GMT
    Thank you. I am very humbled.

    I speak from experience on this, as can many of my gay Christian friends. Many of us were, at some point, raised in very conservative churches where science was, more often than not, seen as the enemy and anti-Christian. For them, science could prove what they didn't want to see and/or believe in, particularly on issues relating to race, sexuality, and human history.
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    Apr 07, 2011 12:43 AM GMT
    I believe in science. Although I don't believe in religion but i do believe strongly in Spirituality
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    Apr 07, 2011 12:48 AM GMT
    Science. I like religion as a history of man.
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    Apr 07, 2011 12:49 AM GMT
    Well I like the one that actually exists.
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    Apr 07, 2011 12:52 AM GMT
    As a young kid i was always told to pray, go to church read the bible but as im getting older i find myself being more spiritual then reliqious and looking more toward science for the answer to many things in life and not the bible so much.
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    Apr 07, 2011 1:04 AM GMT
    Although I wouldn't say that I "believe" in science, I'm more apt to rely on explanations offered from insights due to observation, testing and replication.

    I have no animosity toward believers in God; my own family is pretty Lutheran. Lordy, they still bow their heads before they eat. However, as the lone atheist of my clan I found the thing that made it hardest for me to believe in a god was my inability to suffer cognitive dissonance.

    The idea of a Creator God is not antithetical to science, nor to scientists even. The core problem is: which god? Are all gods equally viable candidates? Why are adherents to a particular god (or sect of the same god) so adamant that their religion best serves the One True God?

    Surely this stems from a lack of true understanding of the nature of the One True God (for him/her/it to abide such disagreement). If the One True God has not satisfactorily revealed him/her/itself to humanity where all can agree, what value is there in believing, or even seeking this god, until it/he/she is ready to be found?

    For each person who says, "My god is a kind god, who only accepts believers who are kind to each other," my question is, "How do you know what your god wants? Do you hear from your god in your native language? What if your god is really a dick, who hates homosexuals and abortion doctors?"

    If your god is kind and just or is a total dick, what choice do you have? If there's a god, it's not a democracy. See, it's choosing to believe in a particular god--one who hasn't chosen you--that violates cognitive consonance.
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    Apr 07, 2011 1:17 AM GMT
    For a lot of thinking people (yes religious people think) it is not an either or question. One can be religious and scientifically based simultaneously.

    I find beauty and meaning in science and religion.

    And to the above post - yes I believe in one true God and she is known as God, Allah, Buddha, ...... When we look at the common teachings of the great monotheistic religions of the world there is a lot of common ground. We have stolen from each other, we have learned from each other, and we commingled with one another over the years.
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    Apr 07, 2011 1:20 AM GMT
    Ermine saidPeople believe in science is because it can be proven.


    Yes, but "proof" in the scientific community does not mean absolute truth... It simply means.. "cannot be disproven or shown to be otherwise"... therefore, it is still a matter of believing the results or not.. hence, faith
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    Apr 07, 2011 1:20 AM GMT
    I'm a math major, and 98% of the time we prove things, so understandably, I have a hard time believing in religion.

    There is too much evidence in the world to simply believe that one essence came and created all of it. Likewise, I have a hard time believing many of the stories the bible provides; Jesus resurrecting a man, turning bread and water into fish and wine, Moses parting the sea. All of these examples (which are FEW out of many), science tells us can't happen.

    Now, that being said, do I believe that there is something else out there? Maybe, but I don't limit myself to believing it is one being, nor do I believe they have powers beyond any of ours.
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    Apr 07, 2011 1:24 AM GMT
    Allathlete saidI'm a math major, and 98% of the time we prove things.


    Prove how? math is all theory.. its a matter of human brain logics and language... how is that truth?
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    Apr 07, 2011 1:27 AM GMT
    I think most people on here have not bothered to read my post icon_sad.gif

    Please refer to my original post... I posted this to show the futility of believing either one.... Just as it is futile to ascertain which way of eating is "correct"... it is futile to pick a belief that is "correct"... we believe what we believe because it is practical to do so in whichever society we live in
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    Apr 07, 2011 1:28 AM GMT
    Neither. I don't have beliefs.
    Like religion, science also harbors beliefs- they just call them theories.
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    Apr 07, 2011 1:29 AM GMT
    Facts and Science icon_razz.gif