Black Swan

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    Apr 06, 2011 10:54 AM GMT
    I know this topic has been done before, but since the DVD came out recently, I thought I'd bring the topic back (I didn't see it the theaters.)

    Rent it or buy it. Many of you enjoy good art and appreciate good films. (As the gays do.) icon_smile.gif

    It's hard to put the movie into words, because it's unlike anything I've ever seen before. The story is presented through Nina's eyes (Natalie Portman) and shows the unreal reality of someone under tremendous stress and undiagnosed schizophrenia. As independent films can do these days, the movie has subtle special effects that add a lot to what the main character is actually seeing. It's unique to see a movie that shows this in such a literal (and probably real) way.

    I think the direction was just as great as Natalie's performance. She very much earned the Oscar, as did the director for the nomination.
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    Apr 06, 2011 6:53 PM GMT
    tenderfoot said As independent films can do these days, the movie has subtle special effects that add a lot to what the main character is actually seeing.


    Haha, the part about subtle special effects made me laugh; i mean, she turns into a freakin swan!!!! icon_lol.gif
    Seriously though, I think it was an alright movie with superb acting. It was not nearly as disturbing as i hoped it would be and everything just made too much sense for me. When Nina started to transition, there was no real shock...shamefully, i think i laughed.
    But the last few scenes were somewhat redeeming. I was moved and in awe of Natalie Portman finally transitioning into the Black Swan (in more ways than one). One problem though, was the first masturbation scene which seemed a little gratuitous i think, resembling a hetero porno almost (not that i'd know icon_smile.gif), and i thought served as a reminder that the film was directed by a man.
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    Apr 06, 2011 9:48 PM GMT
    At first the sex scenes also seemed a little much (and not just as a gay guy) icon_smile.gif I think Natalie's just too darn cute! I think you're right on the money with a male director directing those scenes. (He seems straight) Did he go home with Natalie's lesbo scenes on his mind? Hmmm ;)
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    Apr 06, 2011 10:24 PM GMT
    tenderfoot said
    Did he go home with Natalie's lesbo scenes on his mind? Hmmm ;)


    I have little doubt he did! I don't have anything against lesbian sex scenes - there should probably be more of them in Hollywood - but when the camera seems more focused on Portman's butt rather than her facial expressions, you know something isn't right.
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:06 AM GMT
    I rented it last weekend. The movie wasn't anything special. Thought it dragged out a little. The acting was awesome though.
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:07 AM GMT
    staple_ said The acting was awesome though.


    Natalie won that oscar the moment she went into the bathroom stall to tell her mom she got the part.
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:10 AM GMT


    Had to!
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:11 AM GMT
    ^ Love that SGF ep. Casting is spot on for a Nina parody.
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:21 AM GMT
    cold saidWhen she says: 'yeah, well it was Mila Kunis' at 1:23 her voice is indistinguishable from Natalie Portman's.


    Freakishly so. As is her pronunciation of 'perfect' at 1:42.
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:21 AM GMT
    Ariodante said
    staple_ said The acting was awesome though.


    Natalie won that oscar the moment she went into the bathroom stall to tell her mom she got the part.


    agree. this scene is the first thing that comes to mind when people talk about her acting in this movie.
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:25 AM GMT
    I am fond of that movie, Black Swan. Very much so. Not only for Natalie Portman's excellent acting, but just the overall darkness and morbidity of the film. I wish I could somehow bring that same level of those things into my own musical composition...
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:30 AM GMT
    Can I ask one question? Did she ACTUALLY dance the last act? You can't really dance when you're bleeding to death? That never happened right?
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:31 AM GMT
    I don't mean to come across as judgmental on this, but if you don't like this movie, you're not a performer and you've never pushed yourself through exhaustion to the point of hallucination.

    I thought the storytelling and the acting were both nailed on this movie. I also really enjoyed the comedy mixed in to break it up a little. (What Requiem for a Dream lacked. God damn that movie was messed up. I liked it, but I don't ever want to watch it again.)
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:34 AM GMT
    staple_ saidCan I ask one question? Did she ACTUALLY dance the last act? You can't really dance when you're bleeding to death? That never happened right?


    The film isn't meant to have an official "This scene happened, this one didn't, that one didn't, this one did". The film is about that uncertainty, the blurring between reality and distortion caused by madness. There isn't an answer, and that's the answer.
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:38 AM GMT
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    staple_ saidCan I ask one question? Did she ACTUALLY dance the last act? You can't really dance when you're bleeding to death? That never happened right?


    The film isn't meant to have an official "This scene happened, this one didn't, that one didn't, this one did". The film is about that uncertainty, the blurring between reality and distortion caused by madness. There isn't an answer, and that's the answer.


    Got it. It was definitely entertaining.

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    Apr 07, 2011 6:42 AM GMT
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    staple_ saidCan I ask one question? Did she ACTUALLY dance the last act? You can't really dance when you're bleeding to death? That never happened right?


    The film isn't meant to have an official "This scene happened, this one didn't, that one didn't, this one did". The film is about that uncertainty, the blurring between reality and distortion caused by madness. There isn't an answer, and that's the answer.


    Got it. It was definitely entertaining.



    My guess is she did actually go through with the dance. It wasn't her imagining it, she really was perfect.
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:43 AM GMT
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    staple_ said
    Ariodante said
    staple_ saidCan I ask one question? Did she ACTUALLY dance the last act? You can't really dance when you're bleeding to death? That never happened right?


    The film isn't meant to have an official "This scene happened, this one didn't, that one didn't, this one did". The film is about that uncertainty, the blurring between reality and distortion caused by madness. There isn't an answer, and that's the answer.


    Got it. It was definitely entertaining.



    My guess is she did actually go through with the dance. It wasn't her imagining it, she really was perfect.


    I think she killed herself in the dressing room and that hot chick from That 70's Show danced the last act for her.
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    Apr 07, 2011 7:50 AM GMT
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    staple_ said
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    staple_ saidCan I ask one question? Did she ACTUALLY dance the last act? You can't really dance when you're bleeding to death? That never happened right?


    The film isn't meant to have an official "This scene happened, this one didn't, that one didn't, this one did". The film is about that uncertainty, the blurring between reality and distortion caused by madness. There isn't an answer, and that's the answer.


    Got it. It was definitely entertaining.



    My guess is she did actually go through with the dance. It wasn't her imagining it, she really was perfect.


    My sentiments exactly. The whole Nina character and movie is about the quest for perfection and the consequences of it. Now, when Nina danced the black swan dance remember she still had the shard of glass in her abdomen which probably stopped the bleeding to a certain degree. I thought it was obvious that Nina danced the last dance because in order to attain perfection she had to die in the end like the character she was playing in the ballet. And to be frank, Nina was such a crazy ballerina that NOTHING could get in her way of dancing the whole ballet, not even death - in my opinion.

    I have to also say that that youtube video is damn funny!! She imitates natalie portman's laugh perfectly! lol
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    Apr 07, 2011 7:58 AM GMT
    FierceEyes saidI don't mean to come across as judgmental on this, but if you don't like this movie, you're not a performer and you've never pushed yourself through exhaustion to the point of hallucination.

    I thought the storytelling and the acting were both nailed on this movie. I also really enjoyed the comedy mixed in to break it up a little. (What Requiem for a Dream lacked. God damn that movie was messed up. I liked it, but I don't ever want to watch it again.)

    lmfao what?

    first of all, relating to a movie doesn't make it a good movie.

    secondly, i don't recall any humour. please explain.
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    Apr 07, 2011 7:59 AM GMT
    Anduru said

    secondly, i don't recall any humour. please explain.


    I thought it was funny Winona Ryder got an acting job
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    Apr 07, 2011 8:10 AM GMT
    "You're not a stupid bitch. You're a crazy bitch."

    LOL. I need stitches after that one. Thanks Trevor.
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    Apr 07, 2011 8:11 AM GMT
    cold said
    Ariodante said
    Anduru said

    secondly, i don't recall any humour. please explain.


    I thought it was funny Winona Ryder got an acting job


    I thought it was funny that Nina stole from Winona Ryder's character.


    rofl

    classic <3
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    Apr 07, 2011 8:17 AM GMT
    Black Swan is my favorite movie! I went and saw it three times in theatres when it first came out back around Winter time. I just bought the blu-ray disc and i've watched it about four times. It's just a great movie to study and watch...love love love Aronofsky and Portman. Kunis was gorgeous and great as well.
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    Apr 07, 2011 8:27 AM GMT
    TrevorMark said:

    (see video above)

    Had to!

    Bravo! I love the chic playing Nina: very Portman-like, lol
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    Apr 07, 2011 8:51 AM GMT
    Szchatt89 saidI am fond of that movie, Black Swan. Very much so. Not only for Natalie Portman's excellent acting, but just the overall darkness and morbidity of the film. I wish I could somehow bring that same level of those things into my own musical composition...


    The film is very much like a dark musical piece, isn't it? Beautifully tragic, yet gritty underneath. It is very inspiring for a musician.