ALL TEACHERS BEWARE - Appeals Court: School Right to Fire Teacher Seeking Sex on Craigslist

  • metta

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    Apr 06, 2011 8:34 PM GMT
    Appeals Court: School Right to Fire Teacher Seeking Sex on Craigslist

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/04/06/Appeals_Court_School_Right_to_Fire_Teacher_Seeking_Sex_on_Craigslist/



    Wow...if any of you are teachers, and you belong to manhunt or any of the other hookup sites, you should seriously consider deleting your account. I don't see why a school should have a right to fire someone for this.
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    Apr 06, 2011 8:56 PM GMT
    metta8 saidAppeals Court: School Right to Fire Teacher Seeking Sex on Craigslist

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/04/06/Appeals_Court_School_Right_to_Fire_Teacher_Seeking_Sex_on_Craigslist/



    Wow...if any of you are teachers, and you belong to manhunt or any of the other hookup sites, you should seriously consider deleting your account. I don't see why a school should have a right to fire someone for this.
    At least here in florida, if you want to have sex with your students its fine! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 06, 2011 9:10 PM GMT
    I can easily see why... Craigslist is an entirely different function from other sites like RJ, manhunt, a4a, grindr, etc... and he's also a middle school teacher.

    Plus, it says that he posted nude pictures.

    I think I would want a straight teacher to be fired too :/
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    Apr 06, 2011 9:19 PM GMT
    Teachers should just be eunuchs.icon_lol.gif
  • BardBear

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    Apr 07, 2011 2:41 AM GMT
    Well, no, we're not eu-whatevers. I'm not on hook-up sights, and he was nekkid. However, did he mention the school? I'm as out as I can be at work. I've never lied, but I don't always come forth with information either. I'm just myself.

    But then again, would you want to work for a place that treats you like this?

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    Apr 07, 2011 2:47 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidTeachers should just be eunuchs.icon_lol.gif


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    Apr 07, 2011 2:52 AM GMT
    I'm glad this doesn't apply to self-employed flight instructors. icon_lol.gif
    However, it's really sad that they don't want teachers to find sex online.
    I guess they prefer them to keep everything in the classroom?
  • calibro

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    Apr 07, 2011 3:02 AM GMT
    hmm... my class asked me point blank if i were a porn star, and i've had zero repercussions thus far...

    i guess it's different when you're getting paid to screw people because that's a job like being a lawyer or a politician
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    Apr 07, 2011 3:02 AM GMT
    I knew a guy who got fired for cruising "bigmuscle" while at work. A student walked up behind him while he was looking at his profile on his desktop in class.

    I have to admit... I wasn't too sympathetic....however, have any teachers been fired for going online on heterosexual websites?

    The issue may be they were doing it on the clock.
  • metta

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    Apr 07, 2011 5:29 PM GMT
    more details

    Calif. Teacher’s Firing for Craigslist Sex Ad Upheld


    [quote]
    "This finding ignores the fact Lampedusa posted graphic, pornographic photos, and obscene written material, on a Web site open to the public," the ruling continued. "Lampedusa admitted that he had posted similar ads in the past and did not believe he had done anything immoral. Moreover, rather than taking complete responsibility for his conduct, he shifted responsibility to parents and students to not access his site.

    "Further, while it is true that he promptly removed the ad after being directed to do so, it does not mitigate his conduct that would have likely continued had a parent not viewed and complained about the ad. This factor also does not support the Commission’s decision," the ruling added, going on to assert, "While Lampedusa’s conduct may not have been blameworthy in the sense he was seeking a date, it was extremely blameworthy in the pornographic, obscene manner that he did so. This factor also does not support the Commission’s decision."

    The finding also addressed the definition of "immoral" conduct, citing earlier precedent in doing so.

    " ’The term "immoral" has been defined generally as that which is hostile to the welfare of the general public and contrary to good morals. Immorality has not been confined to sexual matters, but includes conduct inconsistent with rectitude, or indicative of corruption, indecency, depravity, dissoluteness; or as wilful, flagrant, or shameless conduct showing moral indifference to the opinions of respectable members of the community, and as an inconsiderate attitude toward good order and the public welfare.’ " (Board of Education v. Weiland (1960) 179 Cal.App.2d 808, 811.)"

    Added the text of the ruling, "Moreover, the definition of immoral or unprofessional conduct must be considered in conjunction with the unique position of public school teachers, upon whom are imposed ’responsibilities and limitations on freedom of action which do not exist in regard to other callings.’ (Board of Trustees v. Stubblefield, supra, 16 Cal.App.3d at p. 824.)"
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    metta8 said
    Added the text of the ruling, "Moreover, the definition of immoral or unprofessional conduct must be considered in conjunction with the unique position of public school teachers, upon whom are imposed ’responsibilities and limitations on freedom of action which do not exist in regard to other callings.’ (Board of Trustees v. Stubblefield, supra, 16 Cal.App.3d at p. 824.)"


    Didn't I say teachers should be eunuchs? This is the same line of thinking that monarchs and emperors from multiple cultures have decided that eunuchs would be the safest educators and servants of the next generation.

    How did that work out eventually? Not so well. You cannot deny human urges.
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:45 PM GMT
    UGH. I feel terrible for teachers. You have to watch every step you make with parents, students, and administrators at work for fear of being fired. And now you have to watch what you do in your personal life, too. It's ridiculous. And teachers don't get paid near enough to deal with this BS.
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:50 PM GMT
    Teachers get no respect.

    Until we have the brightest minds in education (like in Finland which was featured in a Time article which said that all teachers need a Masters degree and people actually compete to go into teaching) and they get paid better, all we'll have are pizza deliverers, i.e. textbooks = pizzas to be delivered to the students so they can pass tests.
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    Apr 07, 2011 7:10 PM GMT
    catfish5 saidUGH. I feel terrible for teachers. You have to watch every step you make with parents, students, and administrators at work for fear of being fired. And now you have to watch what you do in your personal life, too. It's ridiculous. And teachers don't get paid near enough to deal with this BS.


    Yea I have to agree, I dont think its right for any employer to determine how people act while they are on unpaid time.

    Now if the teacher was doing this during working hours, that would be a different story...
  • calibro

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    Apr 07, 2011 7:11 PM GMT
    catfish5 saidUGH. I feel terrible for teachers. You have to watch every step you make with parents, students, and administrators at work for fear of being fired. And now you have to watch what you do in your personal life, too. It's ridiculous. And teachers don't get paid near enough to deal with this BS.


    but can't you see, it's the unions fault. teacher unions and collective bargaining are all to blame for the economy and poor education. we're all underqualified, glorified babysitters who just mooch off the public.
  • swimbikerun

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    Apr 07, 2011 7:53 PM GMT
    jayyp15 saidI can easily see why... Craigslist is an entirely different function from other sites like RJ, manhunt, a4a, grindr, etc... and he's also a middle school teacher.

    Plus, it says that he posted nude pictures.

    I think I would want a straight teacher to be fired too :/
    Jeez really? You want someone looking over your shoulder determining what is 'moral' and what isn't?
    If he's not breaking any laws then what's the problem?

  • Apr 07, 2011 8:04 PM GMT
    Well this is just another example on how individual freedom is limited on the grounds of a very puritan and square minded "morality" Not to say hypocritical!
    What was this parent doing ? Searching for pornography on the web indeed! Shouldn't he/she by these standards be taken away from his/her children?