Massachusetts Firefighter Loses Job Due to Anti-Gay Facebook Posts

  • metta

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    Apr 07, 2011 2:38 AM GMT
    Massachusetts Firefighter Loses Job Due to Anti-Gay Facebook Posts


    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/7800312/massachusetts_firefighter_loses_job.html?cat=9
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    Apr 07, 2011 2:42 AM GMT
    Awesome!
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:13 AM GMT
    Of course Assachusetts uses PC as a reason to fire somebody.

    Like, sure, if threats were made, then yes, but so many things can be construed as "homophobia" - even liking a "yes on prop 8/defend marriage" page, for example. I'd need to see the actual post(s), but regardless, people should be able to express their opinions publicly. If he was *at work* and said that, then sure, he should get fired for poor conduct. But he *wasn't* at work when he posted it - and therein lies my problem with this. If people can't hold and/or express certain opinions that don't advocate physical harm due to pressure from bosses and/or society and large, then what have we become, communist? Tolera-talitarian? Work should end when you clock out, to give people time to recuperate and experience personal growth. If it begins to reach farther into everyone's thought processes and actions, I fear for the future.
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:19 AM GMT
    Fear, I believe his post was, "I wouldn't save a fag" or something along those lines.
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:30 AM GMT
    FearTheFall saidOf course Assachusetts uses PC as a reason to fire somebody.

    Like, sure, if threats were made, then yes, but so many things can be construed as "homophobia" - even liking a "yes on prop 8/defend marriage" page, for example. I'd need to see the actual post(s), but regardless, people should be able to express their opinions publicly. If he was *at work* and said that, then sure, he should get fired for poor conduct. But he *wasn't* at work when he posted it - and therein lies my problem with this.


    Did you read the article or just read the title and hit reply?
    He posted on facebook attacks on the deputy fire chief and the town. Even without the homophobia he deserved to be fired.

    He has the freedom to express his opinions, however abhorrent they are.
    He is an adult and must face the consequences for his actions.
    He insulted his boss and the city that employs him.
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:30 AM GMT
    TrevorMark saidFear, I believe his post was, "I wouldn't save a fag" or something along those lines.


    ugh, disgusting. icon_sad.gif
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:51 AM GMT
    FearTheFall saidOf course Assachusetts uses PC as a reason to fire somebody.

    Like, sure, if threats were made, then yes, but so many things can be construed as "homophobia" - even liking a "yes on prop 8/defend marriage" page, for example. I'd need to see the actual post(s), but regardless, people should be able to express their opinions publicly. If he was *at work* and said that, then sure, he should get fired for poor conduct. But he *wasn't* at work when he posted it - and therein lies my problem with this. If people can't hold and/or express certain opinions that don't advocate physical harm due to pressure from bosses and/or society and large, then what have we become, communist? Tolera-talitarian? Work should end when you clock out, to give people time to recuperate and experience personal growth. If it begins to reach farther into everyone's thought processes and actions, I fear for the future.


    Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of consequences. And poeple get fired all the time for what they put on facebook; that's why it's smart to avoid doing so.
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    Apr 07, 2011 6:55 AM GMT
    this guy must be an anomaly as a firefighter. my dad is a fire chief and i've met tons of firefighters and they're some of the most down to earth and open guys i've encountered. (and i did meet a lot of them growing up when my dad was a low man on the totem pole, they weren't just acting nice to save face).

    too bad he had to tarnish the profession by thinking and talking that way
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    Apr 07, 2011 7:02 AM GMT
    FearTheFall saidOf course Assachusetts uses PC as a reason to fire somebody.

    Like, sure, if threats were made, then yes, but so many things can be construed as "homophobia" - even liking a "yes on prop 8/defend marriage" page, for example. I'd need to see the actual post(s), but regardless, people should be able to express their opinions publicly. If he was *at work* and said that, then sure, he should get fired for poor conduct. But he *wasn't* at work when he posted it - and therein lies my problem with this. If people can't hold and/or express certain opinions that don't advocate physical harm due to pressure from bosses and/or society and large, then what have we become, communist? Tolera-talitarian? Work should end when you clock out, to give people time to recuperate and experience personal growth. If it begins to reach farther into everyone's thought processes and actions, I fear for the future.


    To truly win Tea Bagger Bingo, you need to use "socialism" or "kenya" more often in your posts.

    Anyway. Interesting rule - that only the threat of harm should disqualify you from a position. So, if a police chief or fire captain said, "I love my job, but saving asians and mexicans seems like a waste of time to me - they can always make more of those people", would this be a fireable offense in your eyes? When we take into account the fact that the people who this man serves have reasonable doubts as to his ability to execute his duties in a fair and effective manner? Is that just peering too much into "off the clock" effects?

    A teacher was fired just for going on craigslist, btw, even though he in no way ID'ed the school or district he worked for. Can we chalk that up to the PC police running wild? Or maybe just the Christians who hate to be told or reminded that sex outside their sacraments is in fact going on? That applies to your story too, btw.
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    Apr 07, 2011 7:25 AM GMT
    torrentprime said

    A teacher was fired just for going on craigslist, btw, even though he in no way ID'ed the school or district he worked for. Can we chalk that up to the PC police running wild? Or maybe just the Christians who hate to be told or reminded that sex outside their sacraments is in fact going on? That applies to your story too, btw.


    One is speech, the other is action.
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    Apr 07, 2011 7:32 AM GMT
    Sucks to be that dude. I guess next time he'll think twice about posting such things on a public network. Saying stuff like that online is no different then saying it in the face of his boss so, in reality, he shouldn't act surprised that he got fired because his action warranted it as soon as he made it public via online on a social networking site like Facebook.

    There's a time and a place for everything and everything has it's time and place.

    He basically ignored his job as a fire fighter. His job is to save lives no matter what the reason, creed, color, age, sexual orientation or whatever. Everyone is entitled to their personal opinions but he let his opinions interfere with professional business and then made them public. Poor judgment on his part and he isn't the first person to have been fired because of that and because of Facebook. That's where he fucked up. Had he kept it to himself then maybe nothing would've happened but he didn't so in lieu of that he suffered the consequences of his actions. Sure he has the freedom of speech but he should've exercised a little self control and some common sense.
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    Apr 07, 2011 7:39 AM GMT
    FeartheFallOne is speech, the other is action.


    I think the teacher just posted a sex ad on craigslist, which is not to say the teacher was actually caught having sex (doing an action). Posting an ad is speech.

    Also reading websites is not illegal. Having sex with people you met on websites is not illegal even (though the teacher wasn't shown to have done this).

    I think whether you are against the firing of the firefighter AND teacher, OR for the firing of BOTH, those positions are reasonable. But to be FOR one and AGAINST the other, that's blatant intellectual dishonesty and rationalizing (unless posting naked pics on craigs list is illegal, though I don't think so).

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    Apr 07, 2011 7:41 AM GMT
    off topic but they used ¨president¨ instead of ¨precedent¨ ...

    ok i hate me
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    Apr 07, 2011 8:18 AM GMT
    Rune said
    FeartheFallOne is speech, the other is action.


    I think the teacher just posted a sex ad on craigslist, which is not to say the teacher was actually caught having sex (doing an action). Posting an ad is speech.

    Also reading websites is not illegal. Having sex with people you met on websites is not illegal even (though the teacher wasn't shown to have done this).

    I think whether you are against the firing of the firefighter AND teacher, OR for the firing of BOTH, those positions are reasonable. But to be FOR one and AGAINST the other, that's blatant intellectual dishonesty and rationalizing (unless posting naked pics on craigs list is illegal, though I don't think so).


    True, but posting the ad meant he *wanted* to perform that action. I don't care what the action was, but it's an issue of seeking out the chance to do something vs. simply saying it.
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    Apr 07, 2011 2:44 PM GMT
    lol, You Cruise You Lose but Hate Is Great.

    O.o
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    Apr 07, 2011 2:51 PM GMT
    Of course we all are going to make comments about being glad he lost his job because he was spewing hate commentary about the town and staff.. and negative gay commentary as well..... I certainly wouldn't want somebody like him employed "to guard my house against fire"...

    That said, I think the issue is whether he had the right to make personal comments on Facebook, speech and whether based on his comments his job would be compromised... or whether those who live there would lose confidence in the fire department and its employees.
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    Apr 07, 2011 2:53 PM GMT
    fizzle saidthis guy must be an anomaly as a firefighter. my dad is a fire chief and i've met tons of firefighters and they're some of the most down to earth and open guys i've encountered. (and i did meet a lot of them growing up when my dad was a low man on the totem pole, they weren't just acting nice to save face).

    too bad he had to tarnish the profession by thinking and talking that way



    agree!

    here in new orleans, i have found the NOFD and EMS (new orleans fire department and emergency medical service AKA paramedics) to be very gay friendly, down-to-earth guys.

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    pity NOPD (new orleans police department) can't be included in the above description.

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    Apr 07, 2011 2:56 PM GMT
    well...looks like somebody fucked up. theres not much more that he can do honestly. the damage is done.
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    Apr 07, 2011 2:59 PM GMT
    TrevorMark saidFear, I believe his post was, "I wouldn't save a fag" or something along those lines.



    could this Former Fireman be a distant relative of the former Male Model Marky Mark?
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    Apr 07, 2011 3:08 PM GMT
    id kind of liek to know exactly what he said.

    theres a big difference between "its been rainging all week, this weather is gay" and "if that fuckin faggot bar catches fire im gonna pour gasoline on it instead of water"
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    Apr 07, 2011 3:22 PM GMT
    I agree most firemen are cool and easy going. I dated a fireman way, way long ago and we got a little to drunk one night, the closest place to crash for the night was the fire house. We went there, he went up to their sleeping quarters and I crashed the couch. When I woke in the morning all I saw was an abundant amount of toweled men coming out of the showers and they were like "hey man" they didn't care at all

    This guy your talking about seems like a unicorn in the fact that this seems un-real, not fireman material at all.
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    Apr 07, 2011 3:31 PM GMT
    Just a reminder, always watch what you post on fb
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    Apr 07, 2011 3:32 PM GMT
    noone knows this guy personally or professionally or what he actually said but everyone is sure he is a piece of shit who wouldnt save their life if they were on fire and he deserves to be fired because EVERY SINGLE FIRE FIGHTER IN THE WORLD LOVES GAY GUYS and this one guy is ruining their reputation.

    jesus christ, realjock you are a fucking mess.
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    Apr 07, 2011 3:37 PM GMT
    "Doherty had used foul language and anti-gay slurs to slam Bourne, Mass., police officers, his deputy fire chief and the town itself."

    I don't understand why some think there is a freedom of speech issue. Many, if not most of us, would lose our jobs if we used foul language and any kind of slur, whether it was anti-gay or not, to slam our boss even if it was done on facebook and not at work. He is free to say what he wants, the government is not coming along and putting him in jail for it. He is just not going to have a job because of it.
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    Apr 07, 2011 3:43 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidOf course we all are going to make comments about being glad he lost his job because he was spewing hate commentary about the town and staff.. and negative gay commentary as well..... I certainly wouldn't want somebody like him employed "to guard my house against fire"...

    That said, I think the issue is whether he had the right to make personal comments on Facebook, speech and whether based on his comments his job would be compromised... or whether those who live there would lose confidence in the fire department and its employees.


    Sure, Hndsm, he had every right to post that what he was thinking. Freedom of speech and all that jazz. With that being said, they (the fire dept/state) had freedom of speech too and used some choice words to fire him because of what he said and where he said it. He exercised poor judgment and as a result he suffered the consequences for it. His freedom of speech and lack of self control got him booted. If you think about it he also gets a double whammy in the long run because being fired like that will make it hard for him to get hired somewhere else.