GOP says" SHUT IT DOWN" They now are joining the Tea Party and saying "SHUT IT DOWN"

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    Apr 07, 2011 7:41 PM GMT
    http://crooksandliars.com/node/

    Mike Pense on the House Floor......"SHUT IT DOWN!"


    GOP SHUTS DOWN The Government....
    Troops won't get paid.


    Why do Republicans Hate the Troops"?
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    Apr 08, 2011 3:14 AM GMT
    That is not entirely true, LeanDC...

    The troops and other essential/excepted federal employees will get paid after the government resumes normal operations after a budget or a CR is passed.

    I do feel for the middle- and lower- tiers of federal employees who live paycheck-to-paycheck and are most likely going to furloughed.

    And I am a tad annoyed that that the House didn't approve the Senate Bill that would have suspended Congressional and Presidential pay (and presumably the scads of SES positions for Presidential appointees) during the furlough.

    Why should these idiots (both D and R) get paid for not doing their job?

    In the real world, people who fail to do what they are paid to do get disciplined or more likely, laid off/fired.
  • musclmed

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    Apr 08, 2011 4:04 AM GMT
    LeanathleticDC saidhttp://crooksandliars.com/node/

    Mike Pense on the House Floor......"SHUT IT DOWN!"


    GOP SHUTS DOWN The Government....
    Troops won't get paid.


    Why do Republicans Hate the Troops"?


    Couple of facts, while having the Presidency and majorities in the House and Senate, the 111th Congress neglected to pass a budget.

    This current budget fight had been brought out by the democrats.

    Obama recently stated publicly he would veto another continuing resolution to fund the govt for another week.
    ( during a time of war no less)
    So who is shutting it down.?

    I think your rhetoric " Republicans hate the troops" works for about a few people on here.

    Historically, the president moves the budget along, Obama has until recently been an absentee in the process.

    For the last 35 years the party in power has passed a budget. What happened in 2010?......

    Thats about it

    It is not factual, and just partisan garbage.


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    Apr 08, 2011 4:26 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    LeanathleticDC saidhttp://crooksandliars.com/node/

    Mike Pense on the House Floor......"SHUT IT DOWN!"


    GOP SHUTS DOWN The Government....
    Troops won't get paid.


    Why do Republicans Hate the Troops"?


    Couple of facts, while having the Presidency and majorities in the House and Senate, the 111th Congress neglected to pass a budget.

    This current budget fight had been brought out by the democrats.

    Obama recently stated publicly he would veto another continuing resolution to fund the govt for another week.
    ( during a time of war no less)
    So who is shutting it down.?

    I think your rhetoric " Republicans hate the troops" works for about a few people on here.

    Historically, the president moves the budget along, Obama has until recently been an absentee in the process.

    For the last 35 years the party in power has passed a budget. What happened in 2010?......

    Thats about it

    It is not factual, and just partisan garbage.






    Yes.
    What the Republicans are doing is "partisan garbage".

    The Dems have made concessions and have worked in a bipartisan manner with the Repubs.
    But, the Repubs are demanding that they get everything they want and that they not have to make any concessions.
    Even though a clear majority of Americans want to see a bipartisan compromise budget resolution that respects the priorities of both parties.

    The Repubs are not respecting the will of the American people.

    We heard the Repubs whine endlessly that the Dems were going top pass a HCR bill that was against the will of the American people.
    Now, the Repubs are doing the same thing they accused the Dems of doing.
    Now, the Repubs are making the same mistake the Dems made with the HCR bill.

    The Repubs will pay the same price in the next election that the Dems did in the last one.

    How fucking stupid of them.
  • musclmed

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    Apr 08, 2011 4:43 AM GMT
    I will reiterate.


    No budget from 111th congress, not even anything out of the House? why?..... this is a fact.


    Nothing out of the Senate, which is Democratic controlled. zero


    Truth is, the Senate could have used budget reconciliation.( which they threatened with healthcare)



    The above post has not a shred of evidence. Just touchy/feely thoughts.


    And the President has recently suggested he would veto an extension.

    So who is trying to shut things down...?
    All i see is the left demagoguery of the issue , a issue of there own creation.
    There is no excuse for a lack of a 111th Congress budget.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Apr 08, 2011 5:10 AM GMT
    I don't think this whole "Government Shutdown" business is helping either party. All that it is doing is making Americans thoroughly disgusted in BOTH parties.
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    Apr 08, 2011 5:11 AM GMT
    musclmed saidI will reiterate.


    No budget from 111th congress, not even anything out of the House? why?..... this is a fact.


    Nothing out of the Senate, which is Democratic controlled. zero


    Truth is, the Senate could have used budget reconciliation.( which they threatened with healthcare)



    The above post has not a shred of evidence. Just touchy/feely thoughts.


    And the President has recently suggested he would veto an extension.

    So who is trying to shut things down...?
    All i see is the left demagoguery of the issue , a issue of there own creation.
    There is no excuse for a lack of a 111th Congress budget.





    The above post has not a shred of evidence.
    Just right-wing BS talking points.

    There is no excuse for the Repubs trying to ram through a budget resolution that is a "my way or the highway" bitterly partisan piece of legislation that has many concessions from the Dems - and ZERO concessions from the Repubs.
    That's not how it works.
    And that's not what the American people want.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/146969/Americans-Favor-Budget-Compromise-Shutdown.aspx

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-09/government-shutdown-opposed-by-americans-in-poll-faulting-republican-cuts.html

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    Apr 08, 2011 5:28 AM GMT
    musclmed said

    Obama recently stated publicly he would veto another continuing resolution to fund the govt for another week.
    ( during a time of war no less)
    So who is shutting it down.?



    AH AH AH! Don't be caught leaving the REST of the story out of your "partisan garbage" argument..

    Might want to be truthful as to WHY he stated he would veto it....

    Tsk tsk tsk...
    Maybe you might want to put an egg in your avatar for your pic.. it looks closer to whats on your face!
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    Apr 08, 2011 5:39 AM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    musclmed said

    Obama recently stated publicly he would veto another continuing resolution to fund the govt for another week.
    ( during a time of war no less)
    So who is shutting it down.?



    AH AH AH! Don't be caught leaving the REST of the story out of your "partisan garbage" argument..

    Might want to be truthful as to WHY he stated he would veto it....

    Tsk tsk tsk...
    Maybe you might want to put an egg in your avatar for your pic.. it looks closer to whats on your face!



    you can creep towards a personal attack, but facts are facts. The 111th congress had really no excuse of not passing a budget.

    Now it seems some are trying to suggest the Republicans should just vote for what the Democratic Senate cannot even pass as a measure in there own chamber.

    Can you use facts instead of personal attacks.?
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    Apr 08, 2011 1:16 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    TropicalMark said
    musclmed said

    Obama recently stated publicly he would veto another continuing resolution to fund the govt for another week.
    ( during a time of war no less)
    So who is shutting it down.?



    AH AH AH! Don't be caught leaving the REST of the story out of your "partisan garbage" argument..

    Might want to be truthful as to WHY he stated he would veto it....

    Tsk tsk tsk...
    Maybe you might want to put an egg in your avatar for your pic.. it looks closer to whats on your face!



    you can creep towards a personal attack, but facts are facts. The 111th congress had really no excuse of not passing a budget.

    Now it seems some are trying to suggest the Republicans should just vote for what the Democratic Senate cannot even pass as a measure in there own chamber.

    Can you use facts instead of personal attacks.?
    I DID use FACTS.. now POST them instead of using that 'omitting' tactic you love so much!
    State the whole truth and not just the parts you like..
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    Apr 08, 2011 1:49 PM GMT
    Oh, it's the GOP for not having a budget.


    How many times has BONER blown off meeting Obama?

    3...4 times?


    GOP don't want the Government to work....

    The more it doesn't work....the more it looks bad for OBama in 2012.


    NOW THAT'S A FACT!
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    Apr 08, 2011 1:55 PM GMT
    LeanathleticDC saidOh, it's the GOP for not having a budget.


    How many times has BONER blown off meeting Obama?

    3...4 times?


    GOP don't want the Government to work....

    The more it doesn't work....the more it looks bad for OBama in 2012.


    NOW THAT'S A FACT!
    LOOL backed up By Mr Rove himself!

    "Washington (CNN) – Furloughed jobs, interrupted services, and the potential economic ramifications aside, top Republican strategist Karl Rove is warning a government shutdown is likely to strengthen President Obama's hand as he heads into his reelection campaign. "
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    Apr 08, 2011 2:06 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    LeanathleticDC saidOh, it's the GOP for not having a budget.


    How many times has BONER blown off meeting Obama?

    3...4 times?


    GOP don't want the Government to work....

    The more it doesn't work....the more it looks bad for OBama in 2012.


    NOW THAT'S A FACT!
    LOOL backed up By Mr Rove himself!

    "Washington (CNN) – Furloughed jobs, interrupted services, and the potential economic ramifications aside, top Republican strategist Karl Rove is warning a government shutdown is likely to strengthen President Obama's hand as he heads into his reelection campaign. "


    thanks for proving my point. Thats why Obama stated publicly he would veto a week extension. ( It strengthens his hand)

    A pure example of when your so partisan you dont even read the quote you use..... Why would Republicans want a shutdown if it strengthens Obama?......LOL

    A shutdown strengthens the democrats, even though its of there own creation.

    They didnt pass a budget, which is a fact. Where are your facts?

    Is there a reason no budget came out from last fall?No

    Is there a reason the Democratic controlled Senate has not passed a thing? No

    Reconciliation is in the hands of Harry Reid, why not use it? no reason, but threatened in health care.

    All I see from your answer is a slogan and thats about it.


    Boehner passed a budget from his sphere, is he supposed to pass something in the Senate as well?

    Budget Reconciliation has gone on for decades and happens when each branch comes to the table .Instead the Senate has hid under the table.

    No facts in the above 2 posts, except personal references and kindergarten trash talk.
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    Apr 08, 2011 2:20 PM GMT
    MM, your "defense" of the indefensible dems is So Sad.

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    Apr 08, 2011 2:29 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI don't think this whole "Government Shutdown" business is helping either party. All that it is doing is making Americans thoroughly disgusted in BOTH parties.


    That might be a good thing - at some point you'll need the proverbial drop that spills the bucket. Systems usually don't reform themselves, so in this case you need the majority of registered voters to (finally) buy out of the system and demand change - or start voting differently, and pull the other parties out of the fringe of politics.

    Not to mention that it's an incredibly dumb thing to do, financially. You end up with more cost retroactively than you would accrue if the affected services just kept functioning.
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    Apr 08, 2011 3:28 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI don't think this whole "Government Shutdown" business is helping either party. All that it is doing is making Americans thoroughly disgusted in BOTH parties.


    That might be a good thing - at some point you'll need the proverbial drop that spills the bucket. Systems usually don't reform themselves, so in this case you need the majority of registered voters to (finally) buy out of the system and demand change - or start voting differently, and pull the other parties out of the fringe of politics.

    Not to mention that it's an incredibly dumb thing to do, financially. You end up with more cost retroactively than you would accrue if the affected services just kept functioning.


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    While I believe both parties will get blame for this, it will only be the most partisan of repubs that will blame the dems for holding out on giving those bagger influenced congressman 100% of their wish list. Independent voters will put the blame on the intransigent repubs as will the dems.

    Like Tazo and CuriousJ and I have at different times said, we really need a viable third party who unabashedly promotes whats good for the citizenry not primarily for the corps and against their good. What separates the dems from repubs is primarily rhetoric, yes the dems are more socially progressive but in the end they are just as bought and paid for as the repubs are and starting with Clinton sent one hell of a lot of jobs overseas and gave them a subsidy to do it, the end of Glass-Steagal act regulating the banks came under Clinton, and eventually led to the crash of 08'. Now look at who is continueing these G-damn pointless and expensive wars, and the dems are going right along with not making substantial budget cuts to the Pentagon. Those two parties are a sick joke pulling the wool over the publics eyes.
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    Apr 08, 2011 5:25 PM GMT
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    While I believe both parties will get blame for this, it will only be the most partisan of repubs that will blame the dems for holding out on giving those bagger influenced congressman 100% of their wish list. Independent voters will put the blame on the intransigent repubs as will the dems.

    Like Tazo and CuriousJ and I have at different times said, we really need a viable third party who unabashedly promotes whats good for the citizenry not primarily for the corps and against their good. What separates the dems from repubs is primarily rhetoric, yes the dems are more socially progressive but in the end they are just as bought and paid for as the repubs are and starting with Clinton sent one hell of a lot of jobs overseas and gave them a subsidy to do it, the end of Glass-Steagal act regulating the banks came under Clinton, and eventually led to the crash of 08'. Now look at who is continueing these G-damn pointless and expensive wars, and the dems are going right along with not making substantial budget cuts to the Pentagon. Those two parties are a sick joke pulling the wool over the publics eyes.


    THANK YOU!!! I agree 110% IMHO the obstructionists names and their deeds should published...extensively, between now and the 12 cycle. Honestly...I think that to threaten combat troops pay for political purposes during wartime is an act of sedition under Title 18 lol. Just sayin'
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    Apr 08, 2011 6:21 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    TropicalMark said
    LeanathleticDC saidOh, it's the GOP for not having a budget.


    How many times has BONER blown off meeting Obama?

    3...4 times?


    GOP don't want the Government to work....

    The more it doesn't work....the more it looks bad for OBama in 2012.


    NOW THAT'S A FACT!
    LOOL backed up By Mr Rove himself!

    "Washington (CNN) – Furloughed jobs, interrupted services, and the potential economic ramifications aside, top Republican strategist Karl Rove is warning a government shutdown is likely to strengthen President Obama's hand as he heads into his reelection campaign. "


    thanks for proving my point. Thats why Obama stated publicly he would veto a week extension. ( It strengthens his hand)

    A pure example of when your so partisan you dont even read the quote you use..... Why would Republicans want a shutdown if it strengthens Obama?......LOL

    A shutdown strengthens the democrats, even though its of there own creation.

    They didnt pass a budget, which is a fact. Where are your facts?

    Is there a reason no budget came out from last fall?No

    Is there a reason the Democratic controlled Senate has not passed a thing? No

    Reconciliation is in the hands of Harry Reid, why not use it? no reason, but threatened in health care.

    All I see from your answer is a slogan and thats about it.


    Boehner passed a budget from his sphere, is he supposed to pass something in the Senate as well?

    Budget Reconciliation has gone on for decades and happens when each branch comes to the table .Instead the Senate has hid under the table.

    No facts in the above 2 posts, except personal references and kindergarten trash talk.




    LOL!
    It's just hilarious that you keep complaining about how others don't post facts, and yet none of the comments you posted have any facts in them!
    Just BS right-wing talking points.

    FYI - the American people do NOT support passing the pure "Tea Party" Repub crafted bill the Repubs are trying to ram thorugh.
    The American people want a bipartisan compromise bill.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/146969/Americans-Favor-Budget-Compromise-Shutdown.aspx
    And that's a FACT.

    The Repubs had better get their shit together and show that they can govern, or they're going to get tossed out on their asses next year.
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    Apr 08, 2011 7:08 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidRickRick,

    Why didn't last year's Congress pass a budget for this year?



    GOP fililbuster. Party of NO STRIKES AGAIN!!!!!!!!
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    Apr 08, 2011 7:57 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    catfish5 said
    southbeach1500 saidRickRick,

    Why didn't last year's Congress pass a budget for this year?



    GOP fililbuster. Party of NO STRIKES AGAIN!!!!!!!!



    Incorrect. You can't fillibuster passing spending resolutions.

    Try the truth for once.





    SB, your beloved Repubs wanted to gain control of Congress so they would have the power to craft and pass legislation.
    Now they have control of the House, and the power and responsibilty that comes with it.

    The Dems left the budget unresolved so your beloved Repubs could craft and pass a budget resolution for the year.
    It was a House warming gift from the Dems - to your beloved Repubs.

    You're welcome!
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    Apr 08, 2011 8:07 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 saidRickRick,

    Why didn't last year's Congress pass a budget for this year?



    GOP fililbuster. Party of NO STRIKES AGAIN!!!!!!!!



    Incorrect. You can't fillibuster passing spending resolutions.

    Try the truth for once.

    Oh really?
    Does this ring a bell?

    National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2011
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    Apr 08, 2011 8:22 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    catfish5 said
    southbeach1500 saidRickRick,

    Why didn't last year's Congress pass a budget for this year?



    GOP fililbuster. Party of NO STRIKES AGAIN!!!!!!!!



    Incorrect. You can't fillibuster passing spending resolutions.

    Try the truth for once.



    Appropriations bills — which actually spend the money that the budget says should be spent — can be filibustered
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    Apr 08, 2011 8:28 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    rickrick91 said
    The Dems left the budget unresolved so your beloved Repubs could craft and pass a budget resolution for the year.
    It was a House warming gift from the Dems - to your beloved Repubs.

    You're welcome!




    Is that what you truly believe? That the party in control of both Houses of Congress as well as the Presidency decided that they "might" lose the upcoming election so therefore they wouldn't pass a budget because it might offend the new majority party?

    Good grief!




    LOL!
    No you didn't quite get that right, SB.
    But this budget resolution battle is definitely going to cause the Repubs a LOT of "grief".
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    Apr 08, 2011 8:36 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    catfish5 said
    southbeach1500 said
    catfish5 said
    southbeach1500 saidRickRick,

    Why didn't last year's Congress pass a budget for this year?



    GOP fililbuster. Party of NO STRIKES AGAIN!!!!!!!!



    Incorrect. You can't fillibuster passing spending resolutions.

    Try the truth for once.



    Appropriations bills — which actually spend the money that the budget says should be spent — can be filibustered


    Nope. There's sneaky ways around that. icon_wink.gif
    Said like the true political scumbag you are..
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    Apr 08, 2011 8:39 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    rickrick91 said
    LOL!
    No you didn't quite get that right, SB.
    But this budget resolution battle is definitely going to cause the Repubs a LOT of "grief".




    So, RickRick, why didn't the last Congress pass a budget for this year?




    LOL!
    That's ancient history!
    In the here and now - the American people side with the Democrats on passing a BIPARTISAN COMPROMISE budget bill.
    That's the ONLY thing that matters.
    As you and your fellow Republicans will find out - if the Repubs don't back down and agree to make concessions in order to get "the people' business" done.