New polls show the Repubs are on the losing side of the budget battle

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    Apr 08, 2011 5:16 AM GMT
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/146969/Americans-Favor-Budget-Compromise-Shutdown.aspx

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704101604576247100322182190.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

    Independent voters are in synch with the Democrats.
    The Repubs are out on a limb by themselves.

    There's still time.
    If the Repubs are smart, they'll start making the bipartisan compromises that are necessary to get stuff done.
    Otherwise, the American people will see clearly that the Repubs are too extreme in their ideological purity to be able to govern.
    And they will get the boot in 2012.
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    Apr 08, 2011 5:20 AM GMT
    I thought it brilliant by President Obama to declare exactly why he would VETO the house bill............


    The work that is to be done is the BUDGET, NOT the 'social' agenda of the conservatives (tacked on)
    Bout time we got some clear truth..


    I like this part as well "These findings are virtually unchanged from February."
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    Apr 08, 2011 5:52 AM GMT
    The truth is out. The battle over the budget bill is not about money. It's about abortion and environmental regulations. More GOP hypocrisy!!

    The GOP is trying to push their social agenda under the guise of "budget cuts."

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42485259/ns/politics-the_new_york_times
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    Apr 08, 2011 6:01 AM GMT
    Planned Parenthood and defunding PBS/NPR are but tiny blips in what should be cut.

    Ending the undeclared, unconstitutional wars and bring the boys home from Germany/Europe (about 50 years late) and Asia and demobilizing the Guard and Reserve would go a long ways toward reducing spending.
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    Apr 08, 2011 12:47 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidPlanned Parenthood and defunding PBS/NPR are but tiny blips in what should be cut.

    Ending the undeclared, unconstitutional wars and bring the boys home from Germany/Europe (about 50 years late) and Asia and demobilizing the Guard and Reserve would go a long ways toward reducing spending.


    Instead of dismantling the EPA and restricting a woman's access to health care, how bout cutting subsidies to oil companies who are making record profits? How bout focusing on the budget instead of trying to legislate on a budget appropriations bill?
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    Apr 08, 2011 12:50 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidI thought it brilliant by President Obama to declare exactly why he would VETO the house bill............


    The work that is to be done is the BUDGET, NOT the 'social' agenda of the conservatives (tacked on)
    Bout time we got some clear truth..


    I like this part as well "These findings are virtually unchanged from February."



    I hope this becomes that absolute "undoing" of the repubs in the eyes of the
    balanced public. Maybe it will be the beginning of the end of the Repub house.... We can hope

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    Apr 08, 2011 1:20 PM GMT
    The sticking point is not really about funding the government any more. The original bill passed by the House came with hundreds of controversial riders attached to it. Boehner is pushing for riders in three specific areas: on abortion, particularly efforts to defund Planned Parenthood (though it should be noted that the group does not use federal money to fund abortions); efforts to defund the Environmental Protections Agency's greenhouse gas, mountaintop mining and Chesapeake Bay regulations; and amendments to block implementation of health care reform. Democrats have drawn the line at any riders that wouldn't garner enough votes to pass the Senate as a standalone bill, which rules out almost all of the dozen riders Boehner is seeking. Efforts to strengthen the Hyde amendment, which bars federal funding for abortions, failed in the Senate during the health care debate. Republican attempts to repeal health care reform failed the Senate early this year and a GOP bid to defund the EPA's climate change regulations flopped in the Upper Chamber just this week.



    This will be the GOPs undoing.
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    Apr 08, 2011 1:29 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidThe sticking point is not really about funding the government any more. The original bill passed by the House came with hundreds of controversial riders attached to it. Boehner is pushing for riders in three specific areas: on abortion, particularly efforts to defund Planned Parenthood (though it should be noted that the group does not use federal money to fund abortions); efforts to defund the Environmental Protections Agency's greenhouse gas, mountaintop mining and Chesapeake Bay regulations; and amendments to block implementation of health care reform. Democrats have drawn the line at any riders that wouldn't garner enough votes to pass the Senate as a standalone bill, which rules out almost all of the dozen riders Boehner is seeking. Efforts to strengthen the Hyde amendment, which bars federal funding for abortions, failed in the Senate during the health care debate. Republican attempts to repeal health care reform failed the Senate early this year and a GOP bid to defund the EPA's climate change regulations flopped in the Upper Chamber just this week.



    This will be the GOPs undoing.


    Yes. This has nothing to do with the budget anymore. It's all about conservative ideology.
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    Apr 08, 2011 1:41 PM GMT
    The silence of the Righties on RJ for the last week ......

    Well.......very telling.......

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    Apr 08, 2011 1:45 PM GMT

    One of the 50 GOP riders: defunding Planned Parenthood in Washington DC.


    Very telling that this is NOT about the budget.


    For THIS, they don't want the troops to get paid?


    Why does the GOP hate the troops?
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    Apr 08, 2011 1:50 PM GMT
    "9:15 a.m. ET – Boehner: It's not all about abortion
    A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, disputed an assertion by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, on Friday that abortion is the final stumbling block for negotiators trying to reach a budget agreement that would prevent a government shutdown.

    "While nothing will be decided until everything is decided, the largest issue is still spending cuts," spokesman Michael Steel said. "The American people want to cut spending to help the private sector create jobs - and the Democrats that run Washington don't."


    Then take it off boner.. and see what happens! Duh.............
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    Apr 08, 2011 1:51 PM GMT
    LeanathleticDC saidThe silence of the Righties on RJ for the last week ......

    Well.......very telling.......

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    their silence IS deafening icon_exclaim.gif
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    Apr 08, 2011 1:53 PM GMT
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    LeanathleticDC saidThe silence of the Righties on RJ for the last week ......

    Well.......very telling.......

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    their silence IS deafening icon_exclaim.gif
    Funny how quiet they get when confronted with hard cold factual COMPLETE data.
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    Apr 08, 2011 2:03 PM GMT
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/07/fox-news-poll-2012-presidential-election/

    Keep drinking your Kool Aid. The point will be hammered that the Dems could have passed a budget bill last year when they controlled everything but did not want to do so prior to November because they would have tipped their hand that they are nothing but big spenders. After November, they were shell-shocked. And leadership from the WH was lacking as usual.

    The 2012 budget from the WH ignored the commission recommendations and the public knows it. As the Republican field for 2012 starts to narrow, you will see more targeted messages. You guys who want spending, entitlements, borrowing from China to pay Brazil to drill for oil, kissing China's butt, and the whole the gravy train will stay on the losing side.

    Those of you who have a finance background and support the big spending are the most surprising. Guess if the entitlement ideology is strong enough, it will dominate what you supposedly should understand.
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    Apr 08, 2011 3:20 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidhttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/07/fox-news-poll-2012-presidential-election/

    Keep drinking your Kool Aid. The point will be hammered that the Dems could have passed a budget bill last year when they controlled everything but did not want to do so prior to November because they would have tipped their hand that they are nothing but big spenders. After November, they were shell-shocked. And leadership from the WH was lacking as usual.

    The 2012 budget from the WH ignored the commission recommendations and the public knows it. As the Republican field for 2012 starts to narrow, you will see more targeted messages. You guys who want spending, entitlements, borrowing from China to pay Brazil to drill for oil, kissing China's butt, and the whole the gravy train will stay on the losing side.

    Those of you who have a finance background and support the big spending are the most surprising. Guess if the entitlement ideology is strong enough, it will dominate what you supposedly should understand.


    You are generalizing and globalizing this issue. Stick to the issue at hand. Why don't the Republicans remove the rider regarding Planned Parenthood from the budget bill so the bill will pass?
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    Apr 08, 2011 3:26 PM GMT
    catfish5 saidYou are generalizing and globalizing this issue. Stick to the issue at hand. Why don't the Republicans remove the rider regarding Planned Parenthood from the budget bill so the bill will pass?

    I think the global issues remain extremely relevant and can't be separated from the specific issue. But to answer your question, 2 reasons: 1) Given the deficit, it is a perfect example of something that doesn't need to be funded. Do we need to borrow from China to pay for that, really? 2) Politics - giving the Dems a reason to not support a budget bill, making them out to be the "Party of No Solutions".
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    Apr 08, 2011 3:39 PM GMT
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    catfish5 saidYou are generalizing and globalizing this issue. Stick to the issue at hand. Why don't the Republicans remove the rider regarding Planned Parenthood from the budget bill so the bill will pass?

    I think the global issues remain extremely relevant and can't be separated from the specific issue. But to answer your question, 2 reasons: 1) Given the deficit, it is a perfect example of something that doesn't need to be funded. Do we need to borrow from China to pay for that, really? 2) Politics - giving the Dems a reason to not support a budget bill, making them out to be the "Party of No Solutions".


    The larger global issues are not relevant at this specific moment in time when Congress only has a few hours to pass a budget bill to avoid goverment shutdown.

    The amount of money saved by cutting funds to Planned Parenthood is negligible in the overall budget.

    This issue is pure politics. The GOP is trying to force their social agenda and using military paychecks as a political football.
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    Apr 08, 2011 3:45 PM GMT
    catfish5 saidThe truth is out. The battle over the budget bill is not about money. It's about abortion and environmental regulations. More GOP hypocrisy!!

    The GOP is trying to push their social agenda under the guise of "budget cuts."

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42485259/ns/politics-the_new_york_times


    Their agenda is also to lower the standard of living of publlc workers by taking away collective bargaining rights under the pretense of budget cuts. But they spend money on other stuff foolishly.
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    Apr 08, 2011 3:53 PM GMT
    Wasteful spending does have to stop, but we should not be lowering the standard of living of public workers as a way to cut the budget. Unless the senators are willing to start paying for their own health insurance and pensions, then they should not expect other people to. You can not stimulate the economy by expecting people to work for less.
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    Apr 08, 2011 3:58 PM GMT
    Both parties are so out of touch with mainstream America that nothing is getting accomplished by either one because they are both very self centered and are looking to fill their own coffers and gain more power. It's absolutely sickening to listen to both of them.
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    Apr 08, 2011 4:08 PM GMT
    LeanathleticDC saidThe silence of the Righties on RJ for the last week ......

    Well.......very telling.......

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    I wouldn't read too much into that if I were you. Some of us have better things to do than bicker back and forth when it is quite clear that there are no winners, and pretty much everyone loses in this battle.
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    Apr 08, 2011 4:10 PM GMT
    jockgymboy saidWasteful spending does have to stop, but we should not be lowering the standard of living of public workers as a way to cut the budget. Unless the senators are willing to start paying for their own health insurance and pensions, then they should not expect other people to. You can not stimulate the economy by expecting people to work for less.



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    Apr 08, 2011 4:42 PM GMT
    jockgymboy saidWasteful spending does have to stop, but we should not be lowering the standard of living of public workers as a way to cut the budget. Unless the senators are willing to start paying for their own health insurance and pensions, then they should not expect other people to. You can not stimulate the economy by expecting people to work for less.

    If by lowering the standard do you mean getting benefits reduced to the level of private sector workers?
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    Apr 08, 2011 4:46 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    jockgymboy saidWasteful spending does have to stop, but we should not be lowering the standard of living of public workers as a way to cut the budget. Unless the senators are willing to start paying for their own health insurance and pensions, then they should not expect other people to. You can not stimulate the economy by expecting people to work for less.

    If by lowering the standard do you mean getting benefits reduced to the level of private sector workers?



    which will be, if the GOP has it their way,..... NONE ?





    (unless you are a member of congress, of course)
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    Apr 08, 2011 5:18 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidhttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/07/fox-news-poll-2012-presidential-election/

    Keep drinking your Kool Aid. The point will be hammered that the Dems could have passed a budget bill last year when they controlled everything but did not want to do so prior to November because they would have tipped their hand that they are nothing but big spenders. After November, they were shell-shocked. And leadership from the WH was lacking as usual.

    The 2012 budget from the WH ignored the commission recommendations and the public knows it. As the Republican field for 2012 starts to narrow, you will see more targeted messages. You guys who want spending, entitlements, borrowing from China to pay Brazil to drill for oil, kissing China's butt, and the whole the gravy train will stay on the losing side.

    Those of you who have a finance background and support the big spending are the most surprising. Guess if the entitlement ideology is strong enough, it will dominate what you supposedly should understand.




    LOL!
    Delusional.
    Even KARL ROVE has said that if the Repubs force a government shutdown, they will be helping President Obama get reelected.

    You guys need to get out of the right-wing echo chamber and join the real world.
    The Repubs are losing the budget battle, and it will only get worse and worse for them the longer the situation goes on.