How He Did It: Three Keys to Boehner’s Budget Victory

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    Apr 09, 2011 6:53 PM GMT
    One week ago, John Boehner was dead meat. Facing a rebellion among his freshman members and with a government shutdown looming, Washington was preparing a professional obituary for the speaker of the House.

    If he agreed to any compromise on the plan to fund the government for the remainder of the federal fiscal year, Boehner would lose the confidence of his caucus and be a lame duck. If he dug in and joined the fiscal hard-liners in shutting down the government, Boehner would lose his ability to negotiate with Democrats in future fights. His options were to either lose face or to lose his most important bargaining tool. Checkmate.

    Yet today, Boehner’s clout in his caucus and as a negotiator have been enhanced.

    .... (see link for details)

    Boehner will also go forward with his caucus behind him and Obama trying to play catch up. Not bad for the Weeper of the House.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/09/did-keys-boehners-budget-victory/
  • Webster666

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    Apr 09, 2011 7:04 PM GMT
    I'd like to know how he BRIBED the Teabagger Republicans to go along with it. He had to have promised them the moon for their votes, this time around. You can bet that will come back to bite him in the ass.
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    Apr 09, 2011 8:15 PM GMT
    Err.... Boehner didn't win.

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    Apr 09, 2011 10:04 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    If he agreed to any compromise on the plan to fund the government for the remainder of the federal fiscal year, Boehner would lose the confidence of his caucus and be a lame duck.
    Uh.. thats exactly what he did..
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    Apr 09, 2011 11:03 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    socalfitness said
    If he agreed to any compromise on the plan to fund the government for the remainder of the federal fiscal year, Boehner would lose the confidence of his caucus and be a lame duck.
    Uh.. thats exactly what he did..



    yup! bone-head and his fellow gop/tea baggers "screwed the pooch" on this one!

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    Apr 09, 2011 11:31 PM GMT
    I'd say Boehner certainly came out ahead icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 09, 2011 11:47 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidOne week ago, John Boehner was dead meat. Facing a rebellion among his freshman members and with a government shutdown looming, Washington was preparing a professional obituary for the speaker of the House.

    If he agreed to any compromise on the plan to fund the government for the remainder of the federal fiscal year, Boehner would lose the confidence of his caucus and be a lame duck. If he dug in and joined the fiscal hard-liners in shutting down the government, Boehner would lose his ability to negotiate with Democrats in future fights. His options were to either lose face or to lose his most important bargaining tool. Checkmate.

    Yet today, Boehner’s clout in his caucus and as a negotiator have been enhanced.

    .... (see link for details)

    Boehner will also go forward with his caucus behind him and Obama trying to play catch up. Not bad for the Weeper of the House.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/09/did-keys-boehners-budget-victory/


    The problem with your link is that, at the end of the day, it's Faux News.

    alphatriggerI'd say Boehner certainly came out ahead


    Well, that's debatable...because I would imagine a lot of Republicans really wanted to see the government crippled for a few weeks by the lack of cash flow...you know, so that they could've blamed Obama and the Democrats in Congress for refusing to work with them.

    In that context, Boehner acted more like a Democrat than a Republican: now lemmings like socalfitness can't blame the Democrats for not getting the cheques out to the troops or to veterans...they can only try to manufacture talking points involving the next "Joe the Plumber."
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    Apr 10, 2011 2:10 AM GMT
    LMFAO!
    The best that can be said about Boehner's "leadership" is that he managed to avoid a complete meltdown of his party's political fortunes by getting the radical "Tea Party" wing of his party to agree to the bipartisan compromise budget bill the American people wanted - and that the Dems had agreed to long ago.

    The Repubs caved at the last minute.

    Really they had no choice.
    All the polls were aginst them.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/146969/Americans-Favor-Budget-Compromise-Shutdown.aspx
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704101604576247100322182190.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

    But it will be fascinating to see if Boehner can keep the radical "Tea Party" Repubs in line in the coming battles, or if they'll continue to push the Repub party further and further from the majority of Americans.
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    Apr 10, 2011 2:13 AM GMT
    Yeah, Boner won the right to have the Tea Party continue to be the tail wagging the dog. The Republican Party is now basically the prison bitch of the Tea Party. What we're seeing now with all the social issues and budget crap they're throwing is the desperate attempts of an imploding political party trying to get some of its long-desired policies enacted before demographics make it go the way of the Whigs. icon_lol.gif
  • rnch

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    Apr 10, 2011 2:22 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]TrentGrad said...The problem with your link is that, at the end of the day, it's Faux News...[/quote]


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    Apr 10, 2011 3:03 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidYeah, Boner won the right to have the Tea Party continue to be the tail wagging the dog. The Republican Party is now basically the prison bitch of the Tea Party. What we're seeing now with all the social issues and budget crap they're throwing is the desperate attempts of an imploding political party trying to get some of its long-desired policies enacted before demographics make it go the way of the Whigs. icon_lol.gif

    As usual, you see things as you hope they would be instead of as they are. Much to your chagrin, there is an increased degree of unity between the traditional Republicans and the newer ones, often associated with the Tea Party, especially by the liberal media. There are some disappointed that Boehner did not hold out for more, but by and large there is broad support. This will work to the Democrats' disadvantage going forward.

    In addition to the original source cited, this also confirms that.

    Activists Give Boehner a Nod of Approval
    Tea-Party Groups Had Sought More Cuts, but Grant House Speaker High Marks for His Leadership During the Showdown
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704415104576251390267843346.html?mod=WSJ_hps_sections_news
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    Apr 10, 2011 3:26 AM GMT
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    Activists Give Boehner a Nod of Approval
    Tea-Party Groups Had Sought More Cuts, but Grant House Speaker High Marks for His Leadership During the Showdown
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704415104576251390267843346.html?mod=WSJ_hps_sections_news
    The 'tea party activists gave him a nod? LMAO.. the 'tea party whackos' are now despised by MOST of the American public..
    Remember the 'flea'?
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    Apr 10, 2011 3:31 AM GMT
    We can be sure that Boehner had to make many many promises to the the radical "Tea Party" Repubs.
    He undoubtedly had to promise them, that in the coming budget battles - Boehner WON'T BACK DOWN AGAIN.

    Boehner managed to avoid a meltdown of his party this time, but the "Tea Party" Repubs won't cave and fall in line next time.
    They're being patient, but they're still determined to push for extreme spending cuts far beyond what the American people support.
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    socalfitness said

    Activists Give Boehner a Nod of Approval
    Tea-Party Groups Had Sought More Cuts, but Grant House Speaker High Marks for His Leadership During the Showdown
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704415104576251390267843346.html?mod=WSJ_hps_sections_news
    The 'tea party activists gave him a nod? LMAO.. the 'tea party whackos' are now despised by MOST of the American public..
    Remember the 'flea'?

    The "tea party whackos", that the Democratic Party (DNC) and friendly spin sites have attempted to marginalize, are your everyday mom and pop, middle American, grass roots folks. Just because the Dems would like to believe those who want to reduce government spending, etc. are fringe and subject to attack, they are really mainstream. Imagine the shock when the DNC realizes they have been attacking the mass of voters they most need. They tried this desperate gambit because that's all they and, but they will be sorry. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot...
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    Apr 10, 2011 3:37 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    TropicalMark said
    socalfitness said

    Activists Give Boehner a Nod of Approval
    Tea-Party Groups Had Sought More Cuts, but Grant House Speaker High Marks for His Leadership During the Showdown
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704415104576251390267843346.html?mod=WSJ_hps_sections_news
    The 'tea party activists gave him a nod? LMAO.. the 'tea party whackos' are now despised by MOST of the American public..
    Remember the 'flea'?

    The "tea party whackos", that the Democratic Party (DNC) and friendly spin sites have attempted to marginalize, are your everyday mom and pop, middle American, grass roots folks. Just because the Dems would like to believe those who want to reduce government spending, etc. are fringe and subject to attack, they are really mainstream. Imagine the shock with the DNC realizes they have been attacking the mass of voters they most need. They tried this desperate gambit because that's all they and, but they will be sorry. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot...




    Those "who want to reduce government spending"?
    You mean like President Obama - who called for large reductions in spending in his 2010 State of the Union address, and repeatedly has done so since then?
    Or the Democrats, who support large reductions in spending as well?

    Your attempt to spin out some BS that the Repubs are the only ones for spending cuts is proved wrong by the simple facts.

    The debate is on the AMOUNT of spending.
    And the American people do NOT agree with the radical and extreme amount of cuts advocated by the "Tea Party" Repubs.
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    Apr 10, 2011 3:39 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    TropicalMark said
    socalfitness said

    Activists Give Boehner a Nod of Approval
    Tea-Party Groups Had Sought More Cuts, but Grant House Speaker High Marks for His Leadership During the Showdown
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704415104576251390267843346.html?mod=WSJ_hps_sections_news
    The 'tea party activists gave him a nod? LMAO.. the 'tea party whackos' are now despised by MOST of the American public..
    Remember the 'flea'?

    The "tea party whackos", that the Democratic Party (DNC) and friendly spin sites have attempted to marginalize, are your everyday mom and pop, middle American, grass roots folks. Just because the Dems would like to believe those who want to reduce government spending, etc. are fringe and subject to attack, they are really mainstream. Imagine the shock with the DNC realizes they have been attacking the mass of voters they most need. They tried this desperate gambit because that's all they and, but they will be sorry. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot...


    The Tea Party is not "mom and pop, middle American grass roots" folks. They never were. Perhaps there were a few true believers in the beginning but Martin Meckler is an operator. The entire thing is funded by the Scaife and Koch families. And, despite claiming to be solely fiscal in nature, the religious nuts have already taken over whatever grassroots presence there was and that marginalized them. All Obama and Dems are doing is giving them enough rope.
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    Apr 10, 2011 3:53 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidYeah, Boner won the right to have the Tea Party continue to be the tail wagging the dog. The Republican Party is now basically the prison bitch of the Tea Party. What we're seeing now with all the social issues and budget crap they're throwing is the desperate attempts of an imploding political party trying to get some of its long-desired policies enacted before demographics make it go the way of the Whigs. icon_lol.gif


    why this analysis of the Republicans?

    Seems odd when we have a party in power with both the Presidency and both houses with comfortable majorities and they couldnt pass a budget.


    Truth is Obama and the Democrats had to give into big concessions.

    Imploding? hardly...

    No popular analysis is saying what you are saying. Sorry...... its fiction.

    I have heard the same talking points for weeks now and it only works in a left wing echochamber....

    I will wait for the Sunday news analysis shows but.....

    Your opinion matters in the debate, you may want to inform the opinion writers of the Washington Post, NYtimes.

    None of them agree with you.

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    musclmed said... Your opinion matters in the debate, you may want to inform the opinion writers of the Washington Post, NYtimes.

    None of them agree with you.

    They can cling to whatever hope then can. Can you believe one of our RJ members just a few up claimed the Democrats also wanted big spending cuts? Hilarious, they had no choice, were dragged kicking and screaming, now try and take credit. Do these guys here really believe what they say? So far out there you just have to laugh. Comedy Central comes to RJ.
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    Apr 10, 2011 4:36 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    musclmed said... Your opinion matters in the debate, you may want to inform the opinion writers of the Washington Post, NYtimes.

    None of them agree with you.

    They can cling to whatever hope then can. Can you believe one of our RJ members just a few up claimed the Democrats also wanted big spending cuts? Hilarious, they had no choice, were dragged kicking and screaming, now try and take credit. Do these guys here really believe what they say? So far out there you just have to laugh. Comedy Central comes to RJ.


    Actually i think there are a few , because of there news sources truely believe, the 110th congress was a record open congress.

    It was not,

    Pelosi put nearly every bill on suspension. They cling to this idea that Republicans obstructed and still are.

    Many Democrats lack a core value, they just are a hodgepodge of special interest. At this time one of those interests happens to be fiscal discipline. Watch a few of them morph and try to take credit.

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    musclmed said... Your opinion matters in the debate, you may want to inform the opinion writers of the Washington Post, NYtimes.

    None of them agree with you.

    They can cling to whatever hope then can. Can you believe one of our RJ members just a few up claimed the Democrats also wanted big spending cuts? Hilarious, they had no choice, were dragged kicking and screaming, now try and take credit. Do these guys here really believe what they say? So far out there you just have to laugh. Comedy Central comes to RJ.


    Actually i think there are a few , because of there news sources truely believe, the 110th congress was a record open congress.

    It was not,

    Pelosi put nearly every bill on suspension. They cling to this idea that Republicans obstructed and still are.

    Many Democrats lack a core value, they just are a hodgepodge of special interest. At this time one of those interests happens to be fiscal discipline. Watch a few of them morph and try to take credit.




    You have a habit of posting things that don't pass a fact-check.
    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/03/02/republican-obstruction-at-work-record-number-of-filibusters/

    You Repubs can try to rewrite history, but the only people you fool are the brainwashed folks who get their "news" from Fox and the rest of the right-wing propaganda machine.
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    Apr 10, 2011 6:33 AM GMT
    above poster implies I lied.

    But the reference is from a member of congress and its referring to the House of Representatives.

    There is no cloture in the House of Representatives.

    I am sorry you don't understand that.

    Care to explain what cloture has to do with Suspension bills in the House of representative and closed rules?

    they have no relation.....

    address that, if you can without making a personal attack.....
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    Apr 10, 2011 7:25 AM GMT
    I think I'll go put the kettle on and make a nice pot of tea.
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    Apr 10, 2011 11:14 AM GMT
    i wonder how many boxes of tissue he used when he was crying and wringing his hands last week. it's amazing that his 'tan' did not run with all the tears shed. the man is a putz! i just wish that the media though would stop the total smootch fest over 'pretty boy' paul ryan. god what a smug son of a bitch.
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    Apr 10, 2011 11:49 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidYeah, Boner won the right to have the Tea Party continue to be the tail wagging the dog. The Republican Party is now basically the prison bitch of the Tea Party. What we're seeing now with all the social issues and budget crap they're throwing is the desperate attempts of an imploding political party trying to get some of its long-desired policies enacted before demographics make it go the way of the Whigs. icon_lol.gif


    why this analysis of the Republicans?

    Seems odd when we have a party in power with both the Presidency and both houses with comfortable majorities and they couldnt pass a budget.


    Truth is Obama and the Democrats had to give into big concessions.

    Imploding? hardly...

    No popular analysis is saying what you are saying. Sorry...... its fiction.

    I have heard the same talking points for weeks now and it only works in a left wing echochamber....

    I will wait for the Sunday news analysis shows but.....

    Your opinion matters in the debate, you may want to inform the opinion writers of the Washington Post, NYtimes.

    None of them agree with you.



    If the left wing echo chamber if the majority of Americans sure...

    Poll: Americans cooling on tea party

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52207.html

    And I don't watch the Sunday morning shows because they so utterly distort every single policy debate via a corporate lens.

    Newt Gingrich is the most frequent guest on Meet The Press despite not having held an elected position in more than a decade. And conservative guests outnumber liberals 2 to 1 on average.
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    Apr 10, 2011 12:35 PM GMT
    musclmed saidabove poster implies I lied.



    address that, if you can without making a personal attack.....
    Ah.... it was implied that your FACTS aren't correct.
    And NO, it wasn't a personal attack it was fact.
    This is not the first time you have been admonished for less than 'factual' posts.

    quit playing your game.. everyone here sees it and it doesnt work.