Moving to Phoenix or Tampa

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    Apr 09, 2011 10:41 PM GMT
    I have an option to move to this summer to either Tampa or Phoenix. My job can send me to either city but I'm kind of torn between each.

    I've lived in Orlando for a year and have a network of friends that would only be an hour away but I have almost no experience with Tampa.

    As for Phoenix I've never been further west than New Orleans area so I have no idea what's out there.


    Just looking for advice from anyone who lives/has lived in either location. Advantages/negatives about each city!

    - Where best to live (my budget is renting $800-1000 per month) Sharing an apartment doesn't bother me, no idea if that's a widely used concept out west like it is here in the North East.
    - What's the gay scene like, and how easy is it to meld in for newcomers?
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    Apr 10, 2011 1:56 AM GMT
    Could you visit each city for a few days and see which one "speaks" to you?
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    Apr 10, 2011 2:07 AM GMT
    Phoenix is great man. It's hot the summer, but dry. The guys are hot out here and I enjoy it. It's a different feel that Florida. Come out here and see if you like it.
  • kencarson

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    Apr 10, 2011 2:10 AM GMT
    I grew up in Tempe (just outside of Phoenix). It's not a super exciting town. Kindof a mini-LA.

    That being said, there is a gay scene. Certain nights of the week certain bars are better than others. The best bars I've been to there are BS West (in Scottsdale), and Charlie's and Amsterdam (Phoenix).

    You'll need a car to get around. They are VERY strict about drunk driving so if you plan to get wasted, bring a buddy. They did just put in a light rail system that takes you to a lot of places in town, so that helps too.

    Bad part about Phoenix is the heat. As hot as 120 degrees in the summer. AC is a must and can get pricey during the summer.

    All in all, not a bad place to live.
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    Apr 10, 2011 2:15 AM GMT
    You already "look" like a Phoenix gay guy
  • fitartistsf

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    Apr 10, 2011 2:49 AM GMT
    I lived a year and a half in Tampa, moving there to start work on the Air Force base there. I HATED IT!!!. The humidity and the bugs are killer!
    They say you get acclimatized to it, bullshit! How? You live in an air-conditioned home/apartment, drive in an air-conditioned car, work in an air-conditioned office, shop in an air-conditioned mall/grocery store.... the bugs bite and leave welts that itch for a week. Tampa is part of Hurricane Alley. When I moved there in July of '04, within 2 months, there were 4 hurricanes that hit that area, or passed close to it, going up the Gulf... they told us to evacuate. To where? I didn't know anyone, didn't know where to evacuate to... every year, starting around October, through the spring, the Snow Birds (retirees) flock down there from the NorthEast, with their bad driving, and "you owe us, 'cause we're old" attitudes at the stores, restaurants, and theaters.... plus, the gay scene down there, and the drug use, are exceptionally bad!
    Tampa Sucks! In fact, living in Tampa for that short year and a half, has badly colored my perception of ALL of Florida... I couldn't wait to transfer out of there....
    Of course, someone else may have had it better, living there, who knows....
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    Apr 10, 2011 2:51 AM GMT
    I lived in Phoenix for 6 years and loved it. It is great weather most of the year and you can exercise outdoors if you want. The summer is really hot, but not really that bad. I would go to the pool and cool off in the evenings. As far as rent goes, your budget will get you a rather large apartment. The rents are a lot lower when you move there in the summer time. When I moved there It was the beginning of March which is still part of the snowbird season and my rent was about $800 a month for a really nice luxury one bedroom apartment. I did a 6 month lease and then re-leased it again at the summer rates of $625 a month. I am ready to move back. I miss Phoenix a lot and miss hiking in the mountains.
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    Apr 10, 2011 3:52 AM GMT
    Phoenix is a shithole.
    Hot as hell, polluted, ugly buildings, streets crowded with cars driven by road rage drivers, and peopled by a lot of anti-gay Republicans.
    They say you get used to the 110 degree weather, but that's bullshit.
    Move there at your own risk, man.
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    Apr 10, 2011 4:18 AM GMT
    rickrick91 saidPhoenix is a shithole.
    Hot as hell, polluted, ugly buildings, streets crowded with cars driven by road rage drivers, and peopled by a lot of anti-gay Republicans.
    They say you get used to the 110 degree weather, but that's bullshit.
    Move there at your own risk, man.



    ATC, please do not listen to RICKDICK--- he's an angry bitter man stuck in Sierra Vista, AZ. Now that is quite the lovely town to live in. Yes, Phoenix is HOT but evenings are wonderful--no bugs. We do get a little humid in the summer around July for 2 to 3 months, called the Monsoon season, but it is not humid like FL or the midwest where I'm from so I know humid. Been here since 1989 and NEVER had a runin with an anti-gay Republican.
  • tuffguyndc

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    Apr 10, 2011 4:19 AM GMT
    if it were me i would move to phoenix. arizona is near utah and colorado which means snowboarding for me. plus, most of arizona has seasons
  • turtleneckjoc...

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    Apr 10, 2011 4:38 AM GMT
    From the comments above, it appears the Chambers of Commerce in Tampa and Phoenix have their work cut out for them.

    Fitartistsf, Tampa is not as bad as you make it sound. And if memory serves correct here, the Tampa/St. Petersburg/Clearwater area has not been hit by a major hurricane in some time. Also, in 1994 there were three (not four) hurricanes that came through Central Florida: Charley, Frances and Jeanne. Hurricane Charley was making a beeline for the St. Petersburg area when it veered east, made landfall in Port Charlotte, and had Orlando (where I live) in it's crosshairs. After Charley came through Orlando, my power was out for 7 days and when I lose electricity, I also have no phone or water. Seven days without those essentials......No power outage with Frances, however, the electricity was out for 5 days at my place post-Hurricane Jeanne.

    I like going over to the Tampa area, which is about 90 minutes or so from where I am. Tampa is a great restaurant city, very historical and the people in that area are much more friendly and outgoing than they are in Orlando. Sure it is very hot and humid there for most of the year, however, the Gulf breezes over in St. Pete/Cearwater make it a little more bearable. Sports-wise, the area has one less franchise than Phoenix (Tampa does not have an NBA team--Orlando does!), and all three franchises have seen tremendous success at one point (World Championships for the Bucs and Lightning and a World Series appearance for the Rays).

    It's not the snowbirds that are the bad drivers here, it's the locals! People drive extremely slow here in Florida and it's not older drivers, it's all ages. Everyone (I'm an exception, I have a lead foot) here sees a 55 mph sign and thinks they have to drive 20-25 miles under the speed limit.

    I am sorry your Tampa experience gave you a bad taste for all of Florida. Being in the travel industry, I push Tampa/St. Petersburg/Clearwater as a great alternative to Orlando and the Miami/Ft. Lauderdale area. If I were an "outsider looking in" and had the insight of what I know currently about Florida cities, the Tampa area would be my first choice to live, work and play.
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    Apr 10, 2011 4:41 AM GMT
    I grew up in Tucson.. so Phoenix SUCKS... too close to ASU...
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    Apr 10, 2011 4:48 AM GMT
    rickrick91 saidPhoenix is a shithole.
    Hot as hell, polluted, ugly buildings, streets crowded with cars driven by road rage drivers, and peopled by a lot of anti-gay Republicans.
    They say you get used to the 110 degree weather, but that's bullshit.
    Move there at your own risk, man.


    lmao, your last bf must have been from PHX. and yeah 110 here beats the sauna in FL.

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    Apr 10, 2011 4:48 AM GMT
    deanaane said
    rickrick91 saidPhoenix is a shithole.
    Hot as hell, polluted, ugly buildings, streets crowded with cars driven by road rage drivers, and peopled by a lot of anti-gay Republicans.
    They say you get used to the 110 degree weather, but that's bullshit.
    Move there at your own risk, man.



    ATC, please do not listen to RICKDICK--- he's an angry bitter man stuck in Sierra Vista, AZ. Now that is quite the lovely town to live in. Yes, Phoenix is HOT but evenings are wonderful--no bugs. We do get a little humid in the summer around July for 2 to 3 months, called the Monsoon season, but it is not humid like FL or the midwest where I'm from so I know humid. Been here since 1989 and NEVER had a runin with an anti-gay Republican.



    FYI, deanaane - "angry bitter" men call people lame names and post ugly unprovoked personal attacks against other people.
    Happy and well-adjusted people do not.

    And I don't live in Sierra Vista.
    That's just the nearest largish town to where I live.
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    Apr 10, 2011 4:50 AM GMT
    sdgman saidI grew up in Tucson.. so Phoenix SUCKS... too close to ASU...


    Ah cmon anything on Mill Av beats whats going on in the tired pueblo....
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    Apr 10, 2011 4:52 AM GMT
    tuffguyndc saidif it were me i would move to phoenix. arizona is near utah and colorado which means snowboarding for me. plus, most of arizona has seasons



    You're right.
    Where I live in AZ - for example - has seasons and is a beautiful place to live.
    But, Phoenix is just hot.
    It doesn't have a nice yearly change of seasons.

    And it's been overbuilt.
    Most the natural beauty of the area has been bulldozed and destroyed.
  • Joeyphx444

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    Apr 10, 2011 5:01 AM GMT
    Ohh cool you are from hartford like me icon_biggrin.gif

    Well most ppl in CT move to Florida, but FL is pretty boring and overrated to me icon_razz.gif
    Tampa has a lot of old people lol
    AZ does to but they are concentrated in a certain area
    I guess it comes down to:

    Dry vs humid heat
    Bugs vs almost no bugs
    Beach vs desert
    Dust Storm/Monsoons vs Tornadoes, Hurricanes

    Also think that Tampa-you can drive to beach, Orlando
    With Phoenix you can go to Vegas, LA, Mexico, Utah
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    Apr 10, 2011 5:02 AM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    tuffguyndc saidif it were me i would move to phoenix. arizona is near utah and colorado which means snowboarding for me. plus, most of arizona has seasons



    You're right.
    Where I live in AZ - for example - has seasons and is a beautiful place to live.
    But, Phoenix is just hot.
    It doesn't have a nice yearly change of seasons.

    And it's been overbuilt.
    Most the natural beauty of the area has been bulldozed and destroyed.


    At least there is potential
    Phoenix is an up and coming city
    Most cities are already established and they don't have anything new going on
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    Apr 10, 2011 5:06 AM GMT
    rickrick91 said





    FYI, deanaane - "angry bitter" men call people lame names and post ugly unprovoked personal attacks against other people.
    Happy and well-adjusted people do not.



    Struck a nerve ---icon_lol.gif



    You are angry and you are bitter---shows in EVERY one of your posts---

    Will be waiting for your reply! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 10, 2011 5:07 AM GMT
    Joeyphx444 saidOhh cool you are from hartford like me icon_biggrin.gif

    Well most ppl in CT move to Florida, but FL is pretty boring and overrated to me icon_razz.gif
    Tampa has a lot of old people lol
    AZ does to but they are concentrated in a certain area
    I guess it comes down to:

    Dry vs humid heat
    Bugs vs almost no bugs
    Beach vs desert
    Dust Storm/Monsoons vs Tornadoes, Hurricanes

    Also think that Tampa-you can drive to beach, Orlando
    With Phoenix you can go to Vegas, LA, Mexico, Utah


    +1

    And since phoenix is the capital city of AZ you get pretty amazing deals on airplane tickets.
  • KissTheSky

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    Apr 10, 2011 5:07 AM GMT
    I grew up near Tampa and I have to say the humidity is brutal. I used to wonder why humans ever started living there. Like one of the other guys here said, you end up living most of your life inside air-conditioned spaces. You walk outside and you can be covered in sweat in five minutes -- not exactly what you want if you're trying to look presentable (like on a date).
    On the plus side, it's cheap to live there, and the beaches in Clearwater are pretty amazing.
    Good luck with whatever you choose. icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 10, 2011 5:09 AM GMT
    If you don't mind the heat and humidity, Tampa isn't bad. Clearwater beach is about 45 mins away and it's beautiful. Ybor has a gay scene if that's what you're into. Admittedly I haven't stepped foot there so I can't tell you much about it. Orlando is ~1.5 hours away. Miami is about 4.5 hours away.

    I've never been to Arizona so I can't compare for you.
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    Apr 10, 2011 5:16 AM GMT
    Lenoxx said
    Joeyphx444 saidOhh cool you are from hartford like me icon_biggrin.gif

    Well most ppl in CT move to Florida, but FL is pretty boring and overrated to me icon_razz.gif
    Tampa has a lot of old people lol
    AZ does to but they are concentrated in a certain area
    I guess it comes down to:

    Dry vs humid heat
    Bugs vs almost no bugs
    Beach vs desert
    Dust Storm/Monsoons vs Tornadoes, Hurricanes

    Also think that Tampa-you can drive to beach, Orlando
    With Phoenix you can go to Vegas, LA, Mexico, Utah


    +1

    And since phoenix is the capital city of AZ you get pretty amazing deals on airplane tickets.


    Great point re plane fares---Southwest and America West/UsAirways have always been keeping the fares low to CA and elsewhere----
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    Apr 10, 2011 5:16 AM GMT
    Joeyphx444 said
    rickrick91 said
    tuffguyndc saidif it were me i would move to phoenix. arizona is near utah and colorado which means snowboarding for me. plus, most of arizona has seasons



    You're right.
    Where I live in AZ - for example - has seasons and is a beautiful place to live.
    But, Phoenix is just hot.
    It doesn't have a nice yearly change of seasons.

    And it's been overbuilt.
    Most the natural beauty of the area has been bulldozed and destroyed.


    At least there is potential
    Phoenix is an up and coming city
    Most cities are already established and they don't have anything new going on



    Phoenix is nestled in a valley surrounded by mountains.
    All the pollution from the many many cars and trucks, gets stuck down in the valley and can't get out because of the mountains that surround Phoenix that block the airmass over Phoenix from moving along, and away from Phoenix.
    So the same dirty airmass lingers over Phoenix for long periods of time, getting worse and dirtier and more unpleasant to breathe.

    It's smog - just like they have in valley areas in California.
    As Phoenix becomes more crowded, the smog problem will just get worse.

    It's a topographical problem, and there's nothing that can be done to fix it.
    lol
    You can't move mountains.

    It was just the wrong place for a big city to be built.

    They used to call Phoenix the "Valley of the Sun" - but it's becoming known more and more as the "Valley of the Smog".
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    Apr 10, 2011 7:10 AM GMT
    both cities are nice. there's always going to be good and bad for each.

    My friends live in Tampa and love it. They are married so don't partake in the gay lifestyle out there. the one thing I absolutely hate about FL is the insane humidity and the 3p rain showers almost daily during the summer...or at least it always seemed that way. My Dad lived in FL for over 20 years and we visited him often, but I never had a desire to live there.

    I live in the Phoenix area and love it. Yes, the weather's dry and hot, but it's better than hot and humid, by a LONG shot. There are ALOT of hot guys here, IMO and it's nice to be close to Cali and Vegas. For your price range for an apartment, you can find a very decent place for that amount.