young marine vet looses battle with depression

  • hebrewman

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    Apr 10, 2011 10:20 AM GMT
    this is so very sad. it's disgraceful the way we have ignored our returning vets. thank you to all of you for what you are doing and have done for us during these conflicts. i personally salute you!

    http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/09/clay-hunt-marine-who-campaigned-for-veterans-commits-suicide/
  • MikemikeMike

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    Apr 10, 2011 10:26 AM GMT
    I read this article before. It made me sad. I feel for his Mom, family and friends.
  • hebrewman

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    Apr 10, 2011 11:09 AM GMT
    MikemikeMike saidI read this article before. It made me sad. I feel for his Mom, family and friends.


    this is just totally wrong. i get so pissed that there are vets who are homeless and in need of proper care. we just toss them away like trash.
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    Apr 10, 2011 12:41 PM GMT
    hebrewman said
    MikemikeMike saidI read this article before. It made me sad. I feel for his Mom, family and friends.


    this is just totally wrong. i get so pissed that there are vets who are homeless and in need of proper care. we just toss them away like trash.
    You dont even want me to go there... the vocabulary I'd be using for the 'conservatives' in here would be enough to shut this site down.
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    Apr 10, 2011 1:21 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidYou dont even want me to go there... the vocabulary I'd be using for the 'conservatives' in here would be enough to shut this site down.

    Yeah, the right-wingers are all for sending our military to die in foreign lands, but once back on their own soil these brave men & women are forgotten. All it takes to make you a patriot is a little flag pin on your jacket lapel: not personal service, not sacrifice, and certainly no interest in funding & programs for veterans.

    I watched the VA per-capita budget shrink under Bush, even while he was sending troops to be wounded & maimed in Iraq & Afghanistan. Don't even try to tell me how much Republicans support our troops. But if you're swayed by hollow words and lapel pins, maybe you'll buy into this Republican BS. Certainly none of us at the receiving end of their actual actions do.
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    Apr 10, 2011 1:24 PM GMT
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    TropicalMark saidYou dont even want me to go there... the vocabulary I'd be using for the 'conservatives' in here would be enough to shut this site down.

    Yeah, the right-wingers are all for sending our military to die in foreign lands, but once back on their own soil these brave men & women are forgotten. All it takes to make you a patriot is a little flag pin on your jacket lapel: not personal service, not sacrifice, and certainly no interest in funding & programs for veterans.

    I watched the VA per-capita budget shrink under Bush, even while he was sending troops to be wounded & maimed in Iraq & Afghanistan. Don't even try to tell me how much Republicans support our troops. But if you're swayed by hollow words and lapel pins, maybe you'll buy into this Republican BS. Certainly none of us at the receiving end of their actual actions do.
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    Apr 10, 2011 1:31 PM GMT
    hebrewman said
    MikemikeMike saidI read this article before. It made me sad. I feel for his Mom, family and friends.


    this is just totally wrong. i get so pissed that there are vets who are homeless and in need of proper care. we just toss them away like trash.


    Yeah- this pisses me off as well!

    A travesty if ever there was one

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    Apr 10, 2011 1:33 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    TropicalMark saidYou dont even want me to go there... the vocabulary I'd be using for the 'conservatives' in here would be enough to shut this site down.

    Yeah, the right-wingers are all for sending our military to die in foreign lands, but once back on their own soil these brave men & women are forgotten. All it takes to make you a patriot is a little flag pin on your jacket lapel: not personal service, not sacrifice, and certainly no interest in funding & programs for veterans.

    I watched the VA per-capita budget shrink under Bush, even while he was sending troops to be wounded & maimed in Iraq & Afghanistan. Don't even try to tell me how much Republicans support our troops. But if you're swayed by hollow words and lapel pins, maybe you'll buy into this Republican BS. Certainly none of us at the receiving end of their actual actions do.
    Well said.
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    Apr 10, 2011 1:37 PM GMT
    Food for thought:

    We take great care of our firefighters for protecting our homes and business and lives, as it should be..

    We take great care of our police officers for protecting our homes and business and lives, as it should be..


    We forget our Soldiers, Airmen Sailors and Marines that protect the firefighters and police and out way of life because its a BUDGET NUMBERS item..

    I DARE just one of the teabaggers/'conservatives in here to argue this point..(tread very carefully, the mines I have planted for you would be fatal to your arguments)

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    Apr 10, 2011 1:50 PM GMT
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    hebrewman said
    MikemikeMike saidI read this article before. It made me sad. I feel for his Mom, family and friends.


    this is just totally wrong. i get so pissed that there are vets who are homeless and in need of proper care. we just toss them away like trash.
    You dont even want me to go there... the vocabulary I'd be using for the 'conservatives' in here would be enough to shut this site down.
    +infinity
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    Apr 10, 2011 2:13 PM GMT
    There is so much spin going on (not from the article itself) but by the way you all are talking about it...

    I agree that everyone in America treats everyone like shit; and yea, its sad. But this guy had PTSD, and possibly struggled with anxiety and depression his whole life. And you guys are painting it all a certain way...anti Republican, etc etc. ...


    Just what I see happening here. I agree...he shouldn't have died alone. But this man was obviously liked and respected by the people around him, and no doubt had lots of support from family and friends. I don't think its an issue of people having "cast him aside" as much as it is an issue of a man struggling with depression.
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    Apr 10, 2011 2:22 PM GMT
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    TropicalMark saidYou dont even want me to go there... the vocabulary I'd be using for the 'conservatives' in here would be enough to shut this site down.

    Yeah, the right-wingers are all for sending our military to die in foreign lands, but once back on their own soil these brave men & women are forgotten. All it takes to make you a patriot is a little flag pin on your jacket lapel: not personal service, not sacrifice, and certainly no interest in funding & programs for veterans.

    I watched the VA per-capita budget shrink under Bush, even while he was sending troops to be wounded & maimed in Iraq & Afghanistan. Don't even try to tell me how much Republicans support our troops. But if you're swayed by hollow words and lapel pins, maybe you'll buy into this Republican BS. Certainly none of us at the receiving end of their actual actions do.


    I do agree all Republicans (The leaders) want to do is reduce the budget for benefits for veterans even after everything they did because of the war started by Bush (REPUBLICAN). All hey do is manipulate people for their personal gains in the name of patriotism and freedom.
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    Apr 10, 2011 2:25 PM GMT
    Not going into it all but anyone who has been through extreme trauma knows that the mind sometimes cannot cut the visions of that trauma. Where one mind may be able to separate it off to a corner leaving it there, to not pull out for thought or very much reflection, and let here and now take over, another mind cannot get over it, under it or around it.

    For the latter, its like an ever present monster trying to take over, it becomes so all pervading that it just seems easier to shut off life to end the torture. The mind is an awesome tool for good but can be and overwelming problem too, All those of us around vets who have experienced such trauma's can do is be there for them and keep a watchfull eye, let them know you really do care, because the vet doesn't want to hurt anyone who cares for them and it may be what saves him from ending his life.

    The shame of it is putting them in these places in the first place with so little thought for the results. Add to this the mere surface flag waving support our troops "patriotism" mentality, with no depth to it that in the end promotes wars to the demise of our own interests is crazy.
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    Apr 10, 2011 2:29 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    TropicalMark saidYou dont even want me to go there... the vocabulary I'd be using for the 'conservatives' in here would be enough to shut this site down.

    Yeah, the right-wingers are all for sending our military to die in foreign lands, but once back on their own soil these brave men & women are forgotten. All it takes to make you a patriot is a little flag pin on your jacket lapel: not personal service, not sacrifice, and certainly no interest in funding & programs for veterans.

    I watched the VA per-capita budget shrink under Bush, even while he was sending troops to be wounded & maimed in Iraq & Afghanistan. Don't even try to tell me how much Republicans support our troops. But if you're swayed by hollow words and lapel pins, maybe you'll buy into this Republican BS. Certainly none of us at the receiving end of their actual actions do.




    yet another reason why bush should be tried for war crimes.
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    Apr 10, 2011 2:30 PM GMT
    My dad & his best friend joined the Marines out of high school to go to vietnam. They both came back and were literally spit on by the public.

    My dad is still an alcoholic, his best friend the same but we all tried to get him help years ago. He even came to live with us while in recovery.

    It didnt work, he became homeless & eventually froze to death one night. So very sad. I think that & when my dad first visited the Vietnam War Memorial is the hardest ive ever seen him cry. The stories he told from being over there are unreal.

    Now my son is a Marine. Words cant express my level of gratitude & being proud of these guys. Even just seeing Marines march in a parade breaks me into tears.
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    Apr 10, 2011 2:43 PM GMT
    Talk about putting a handsome face on a tragedy that affects too many returning vets.
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    Apr 10, 2011 2:45 PM GMT
    Sylas saidThere is so much spin going on (not from the article itself) but by the way you all are talking about it...

    I agree that everyone in America treats everyone like shit; and yea, its sad. But this guy had PTSD, and possibly struggled with anxiety and depression his whole life. And you guys are painting it all a certain way...anti Republican, etc etc. ...


    Just what I see happening here. I agree...he shouldn't have died alone. But this man was obviously liked and respected by the people around him, and no doubt had lots of support from family and friends. I don't think its an issue of people having "cast him aside" as much as it is an issue of a man struggling with depression.
    As a youngster at the ripe old age of 24 and having never served in the Armed Forces, not seen combat nor navigated through the Veterans Administration for help/care ect.. you need to really educate yourself before making uninformed and uneducated responses such as this.
    You have much to lean padiwan..
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    Apr 10, 2011 2:47 PM GMT
    Very sad event and I agree there are times vets are not treated as they should (certainly the medical care isn't).

    As far as this gentleman, he sounded awesome. He may have had some personal issues, beyond his military service, that may have factored in.
    I think to use him as an example as someone who was ignored
    (or left to die alone as said in the article) plays on the idea that "he was ignored" which he clearly wasn't... except by those family and close friends that may not have identified his mental state (if that was even possible) which led to this unfortunate event. I certainly salute his and other vets and their service to our country.
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    Apr 10, 2011 2:48 PM GMT
    One of my stories: When I lived in the Seattle suburbs, and couldn't always drive due to my epilepsy, I'd take a bus. Just 25 cents, because I had a Washington State disabled veterans' transit pass, and then got a free bus transfer downtown to the VA hospital campus, up on Columbian, for those who know it.

    And that bus was full of other veterans on their way to the VA, a lot of them in various states of mental disorder, mumbling to themselves, or even yelling out loud, having arguments with imaginary people. It was rather frightening, and very sad.

    Doctors told me I likely had PTSD, too, from the many emotional shocks in my career. I told them thank you very much, now I know, and my intelligence will take care of it. As long as I know what it is, I can handle it. Attend to someone else who needs real help.

    Bob takes care of himself. As I always have, and always will.
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    Apr 10, 2011 2:48 PM GMT
    I navigate the VA and have been my entire life, you fucking retard. My whole family is military and has been. I know the system inside and out and was briefly in the military for a time, so stfu with your ignorant retarded responses.


    You don't know me, dude.
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    Apr 10, 2011 2:49 PM GMT
    Some people see a hint of red. Then they can't stop seeing it and its all they see. Sad. Find one part of what I said which was uninformed or uneducated; and compare it to your response. Case closed... old manicon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 10, 2011 2:53 PM GMT
    Folks... just FYI.

    Fact: The VA is budgeted minimally for mental health.. it has been fought over and over in congress to massively increase the budget for mental health in light of what has been researched, discovered and documented about PTSD, TBI and associated mental health issues faced by members of the military. Fact: Yet 'certain' members of congress refuse to allot the funding required for proper care and follow up in the VA budget.

    You do the math (doesn't take a rocket scientist guys) The dots are easy to link.
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    Sylas saidSome people see a hint of red. Then they can't stop seeing it and its all they see. Sad. Find one part of what I said which was uninformed or uneducated; and compare it to your response. Case closed... old manicon_biggrin.gif
    Both of your posts proved my point beyond any doubt.
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    Apr 10, 2011 2:56 PM GMT
    Fuck you
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    Apr 10, 2011 3:05 PM GMT
    This from 2005 Sylas:

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    The Bush administration has expanded its order to cut veterans’ health care benefits. Meanwhile, a Pentagon survey indicates that tens of thousands of returning war vets are reporting high rates of mental trauma and physical ailments.

    USA Today reports that Pentagon screening shows that nearly 1,700 returning vets say they had thoughts of hurting themselves or that they might be better off dead. Close to 4,000 told military health screeners they feared they might hurt someone around them. About 20,000 described having nightmares and bad memories.

    In total, says USA Today, 28 percent of those returning from Iraq have battle wounds, health problems, a range of mental health issues, and serious problems in their personal relationships. In total, the war has adversely affected the health of 50,000 service men and women.

    The figures were derived from military surveys of about 190,000 returning servicemembers between January and August of this year.

    The 50,000 estimate includes 2,000 killed and over 15,200 wounded.

    A 2003 survey conducted by the Army found that 15 percent to 17 percent of front-line troops suffered depression, anxiety or post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

    Studies from past wars show that PTSD diagnosed veterans have higher rates of suicide or other fatalities than other veterans of the same conflicts do. For many veterans, this means that the war will continue for them literally even after they come home.

    [b]Meanwhile, the administration has ordered the Veterans' Affairs Department to pursue vigorously deep cost-cutting measures. Included among potential cuts, says the VA, is $4.3 billion in health care benefits distributed to veterans for treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).[/b]

    The VA claims that it provides too much in benefits for this ailment and will review and withdraw benefits for thousands of veterans diagnosed with PTSD.

    Cuts in benefits for veterans was rationalized last January by Pentagon spokesperson David Chu who told the Wall Street Journal that the cost of veterans' benefits is "hurtful" to national security. The Pentagon feels that spending to care for veterans shifts money away from other pressing needs such as more weapons.

    And with a ballooning federal budget deficit, "savings" have to come from somewhere, the Defense Department rationalizes.

    Meanwhile, a Knight-Ridder story published just last week shows that the Pentagon’s outsourcing of its military procurement projects is gouging taxpayers by billions of dollars each year and is enriching a few favored corporations.

    Still further, the Bush administration and congressional Republicans continues to push for more tax cuts for the rich and to make previous tax cuts, overwhelmingly beneficial to the very rich, permanent.

    In the view of the administration and the Republican leadership, it is not the wealthy or the corporations, their favored constituents, who must sacrifice for the good of the country.

    It is the suffering vets and their families who must continue to sacrifice.

    --Reach Joel Wendland at jwendland@politicalaffairs.net.