Should Grade School Kids Learn About Gays?.. Also, this is the most disgusting example of media bias.

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    Apr 10, 2011 11:05 PM GMT
    Short story even shorter: School decides to send 2nd grade kids on a field trip to the Castro. Some parents get upset and pull their kids from school that day. Some gays are not happy.

    Also, can you spot the media bias?

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    Apr 10, 2011 11:57 PM GMT
    I don't think they shouldn't learn about homosexuality. I just think it needs to be addressed in age appropriate ways.

    If you ever get a chance, watch this documentary. It focuses on this exact topic:



    It's really good!
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    Apr 10, 2011 11:59 PM GMT
    No it will be only perceived as a "Militant Homosexual Agenda to Convert School Children"

    Please no...
  • suninmyface

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    Apr 11, 2011 12:09 AM GMT
    There was no need for the report to highlight the gay friend's hands moving as he talked unless they felt there was a need to re-enforce: "here's a gay man speaking and we need to let everyone know he's gay b/c he talking with a lot wrist movements."
  • KissTheSky

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    Apr 11, 2011 12:10 AM GMT
    Seems like an overreaction to me.
    I've been to the Castro and it's not like men are having sex in the streets. It's basically a nice neighborhood with a bunch of gay bars. What would the kids see that would be so damaging? Maybe two guys holding hands? Any kid who lives in the SF area has already seen that, I'm sure. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 11, 2011 12:12 AM GMT
    I read about this and they made sure to avoid adult stores and such, so I think this was perfectly ok. All it takes is saying sometimes men fall in love with men and women fall in love women. It doesn't have to be some explicit sex talk. And chances are some of these kids are either gay themselves or have gay parents.
  • offshore

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    Apr 11, 2011 12:12 AM GMT
    1. Is that Asian reporter Trisha Takanaka?

    2. Zoom up close shot of some gay guy's 'limp wrist', way to go media.
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    Apr 11, 2011 12:15 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    As far as my response, I am sort of on the fence. I do not think I would understand anything about sexuality as a seven or eight year old in second grade. I do not see the value in exposing a child to such diversity at a young age. Not saying I am against it but if this is going to occur then I think there should be some regularity to these field trips that extend throughout primary school so that kids can have a better grasp of diversity. A onetime exposure is not really going to do much of anything if you ask me.


    You would probably be surprised at how much young kids do understand. icon_smile.gif

    The value in exposing them at a young age is that those are the years that a lot of people start developing perceptions and biases. Teaching them at a young age will help them keep open minds later in life.
    And I totally agree with you that it needs to be maintained over the years. A lot of schools that have started including this in the curriculum include it every year through school.
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    Apr 11, 2011 12:28 AM GMT
    I would let my kid go because my parents pretty much never shielded me from anything based on my age. And I turned out okay.............right guys icon_confused.gif.

    But that said, I totally understand why someone might object. Gays are a sexual minority and as such tend to be more sexually expressive. I never went to the castro when i was in san francisco but there are definitely parts of the villiage that I wouldn't want my kids walking through.............not because they would be irrepairably damaged or anything but because there are like.......whips and chain stores there and I don't feel like explaining that shit.

    I wonder where the took the kids to study white people.
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    Apr 11, 2011 12:58 AM GMT
    offshore said1. Is that Asian reporter Trisha Takanaka?


    LOL icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 11, 2011 1:02 AM GMT



    ...and then after school the kids came home and turned on Jerry Springer.

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    Apr 11, 2011 1:10 AM GMT
    meninlove said


    ...and then after school the kids came home and turned on Jerry Springer.



    OMG WIN
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    Apr 11, 2011 1:22 AM GMT
    But it was a private school. Why are they acting like this is part of a larger curriculum?
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    Apr 11, 2011 1:25 AM GMT
    OMG, the kids went on a field trip to Chinatown!!! Children of that age should not be exposed to the dead ducks hanging in the store windows!
    /outrage

    My question for the upset parents that don't think their children should be exposed to any talk about sexuality at that age is (1) have the kids gone to a wedding for a heterosexual couple? and (2) assuming that they are Christian (I mean, duh, they probably are) do they take the kids to church for Christmas service? How is a kid supposed to understand the story of Christmas, and specifically immaculate conception, without an understanding of heterosex?
    It seems that the parents have an issue with "teh gayz" and is saying the issue is about sex education.
  • awm55

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    Apr 11, 2011 1:36 AM GMT
    Ermine saidOMG, the kids went on a field trip to Chinatown!!! Children of that age should not be exposed to the dead ducks hanging in the store windows!
    /outrage

    My question for the upset parents that don't think their children should be exposed to any talk about sexuality at that age is (1) have the kids gone to a wedding for a heterosexual couple? and (2) assuming that they are Christian (I mean, duh, they probably are) do they take the kids to church for Christmas service? How is a kid supposed to understand the story of Christmas, and specifically immaculate conception, without an understanding of heterosex?
    It seems that the parents have an issue with "teh gayz" and is saying the issue is about sex education.


    I totally disagree, an 8 year old would be able to understand Chinatown is full of people of Chinese heritage, by bringing kids to the Castro you are basically forcing the parents to talk to them about homosexuality and sex in general, otherwise the kids would literally have no idea what that neighborhood is all about. And the Castro, while certainly historical, is full of sex shops and very suggestive advertising which is not kid appropriate.
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    Apr 11, 2011 1:40 AM GMT
    well they should talk about it at school for sure.
    Hopefully guys in high school will be able to have boyfriends in the future.
    I give it maybe 15-20years here.
  • awm55

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    Apr 11, 2011 1:40 AM GMT
    Lr6Tb said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    As far as my response, I am sort of on the fence. I do not think I would understand anything about sexuality as a seven or eight year old in second grade. I do not see the value in exposing a child to such diversity at a young age. Not saying I am against it but if this is going to occur then I think there should be some regularity to these field trips that extend throughout primary school so that kids can have a better grasp of diversity. A onetime exposure is not really going to do much of anything if you ask me.


    You would probably be surprised at how much young kids do understand. icon_smile.gif

    The value in exposing them at a young age is that those are the years that a lot of people start developing perceptions and biases. Teaching them at a young age will help them keep open minds later in life.
    And I totally agree with you that it needs to be maintained over the years. A lot of schools that have started including this in the curriculum include it every year through school.


    I am not averse to explaining homosexuality but it has to be on their parents own terms. And you think taking them to the Castro, a neighborhood that has a plethora of sex and fetish shops, is going to allow them to develop positive perceptions of gay men?
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    Apr 11, 2011 1:42 AM GMT
    HAHAHa you love to post threads asking if people notice something, then enough people don't notice it and you give up and explicitly tell them.
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    Apr 11, 2011 1:46 AM GMT
    I love the last line of the second video...don't make a big deal out of who you are and nobody will really care.
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    Apr 11, 2011 1:54 AM GMT
    awm55 said
    Lr6Tb said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    As far as my response, I am sort of on the fence. I do not think I would understand anything about sexuality as a seven or eight year old in second grade. I do not see the value in exposing a child to such diversity at a young age. Not saying I am against it but if this is going to occur then I think there should be some regularity to these field trips that extend throughout primary school so that kids can have a better grasp of diversity. A onetime exposure is not really going to do much of anything if you ask me.


    You would probably be surprised at how much young kids do understand. icon_smile.gif

    The value in exposing them at a young age is that those are the years that a lot of people start developing perceptions and biases. Teaching them at a young age will help them keep open minds later in life.
    And I totally agree with you that it needs to be maintained over the years. A lot of schools that have started including this in the curriculum include it every year through school.


    I am not averse to explaining homosexuality but it has to be on their parents own terms. And you think taking them to the Castro, a neighborhood that has a plethora of sex and fetish shops, is going to allow them to develop positive perceptions of gay men?


    I am pretty sure they would not take the route with the sex shops.
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    Apr 11, 2011 1:56 AM GMT
    AvadaKedavra said
    awm55 said
    Lr6Tb said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    As far as my response, I am sort of on the fence. I do not think I would understand anything about sexuality as a seven or eight year old in second grade. I do not see the value in exposing a child to such diversity at a young age. Not saying I am against it but if this is going to occur then I think there should be some regularity to these field trips that extend throughout primary school so that kids can have a better grasp of diversity. A onetime exposure is not really going to do much of anything if you ask me.


    You would probably be surprised at how much young kids do understand. icon_smile.gif

    The value in exposing them at a young age is that those are the years that a lot of people start developing perceptions and biases. Teaching them at a young age will help them keep open minds later in life.
    And I totally agree with you that it needs to be maintained over the years. A lot of schools that have started including this in the curriculum include it every year through school.


    I am not averse to explaining homosexuality but it has to be on their parents own terms. And you think taking them to the Castro, a neighborhood that has a plethora of sex and fetish shops, is going to allow them to develop positive perceptions of gay men?


    I am pretty sure they would not take the route with the sex shops.


    But even so, by taking them to the neighborhood you are effectively forcing their parents to talk to them about homosexuality. The parents should obviously do this anyway, but the school has no right to force this upon them.

    I was reading an article about this issue on a few gay blogs that are known for being almost militantly pro-gay, but even the readers there saw that this infringed on the parents decision making with regards to talking to their kids about sex.
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    Apr 11, 2011 2:07 AM GMT
    Awm, did the parents not have to sign consent forms for their kids to be out on a field trip? Or was it done on the sly?

    curious,

    -Doug
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    Apr 11, 2011 2:14 AM GMT
    awm55 said


    But even so, by taking them to the neighborhood you are effectively forcing their parents to talk to them about homosexuality. The parents should obviously do this anyway, but the school has no right to force this upon them.

    I was reading an article about this issue on a few gay blogs that are known for being almost militantly pro-gay, but even the readers there saw that this infringed on the parents decision making with regards to talking to their kids about sex.


    That is the thing that always perplexes me. Homosexuality is not only about sex. It is like it can't be discussed with the sexual aspects of it. You can talk to the kids in terms like boyfriends and girlfriends. Kids understand that. How many kindergartners have play girlfriends or play boyfriends? They don't talk about their play boyfriends or girlfriends in sexual terms.

    But if the Mom has a gay friend, why would she not allow her son to go n the field trip? Does the kid not know that her friend is gay? Or does he come over without his boyfriend assuming he has one?
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    Apr 11, 2011 2:15 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidSeems like an overreaction to me.
    I've been to the Castro and it's not like men are having sex in the streets. It's basically a nice neighborhood with a bunch of gay bars. What would the kids see that would be so damaging? Maybe two guys holding hands? Any kid who lives in the SF area has already seen that, I'm sure. icon_rolleyes.gif





    I have lived in San Francisco for a very long time.
    You are exactly correct.
  • awm55

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    Apr 11, 2011 2:22 AM GMT
    Balljunkie said
    awm55 said


    But even so, by taking them to the neighborhood you are effectively forcing their parents to talk to them about homosexuality. The parents should obviously do this anyway, but the school has no right to force this upon them.

    I was reading an article about this issue on a few gay blogs that are known for being almost militantly pro-gay, but even the readers there saw that this infringed on the parents decision making with regards to talking to their kids about sex.


    That is the thing that always perplexes me. Homosexuality is not only about sex. It is like it can't be discussed with the sexual aspects of it. You can talk to the kids in terms like boyfriends and girlfriends. Kids understand that. How many kindergartners have play girlfriends or play boyfriends? They don't talk about their play boyfriends or girlfriends in sexual terms.

    But if the Mom has a gay friend, why would she not allow her son to go n the field trip? Does the kid not know that her friend is gay? Or does he come over without his boyfriend assuming he has one?


    Again, the Castro is full of sex shops and suggestive advertising that is just not kid appropriate, though in all honesty they most likely avoided it on the trip. The issue is they are forcing the parents to talk to their kids about sex and relationships in general just so a kid could go on a school trip.