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    Apr 11, 2011 1:32 AM GMT
    So I've been wanting to have a Mac for the longest time. I've been reading mac forums, waiting and watching... and last month I finally bit the bullet and purchased a Mac.

    I decided to get a MacBook Air 13" Ultimate refurbished (saved a couple hundred bucks). I've been using it for a while now and I can say that I am really enjoying it way more than my laptop PC with similar specs.

    I am really enjoying:
    - the screen. The colours are nice, the screen itself is not reflective,
    - the ssd. Photoshop and Microsoft office programs are launching extremely fast. Copying files feels very fast although it's only USB 2.0. Rebooting is fast (never had a computer that could reboot/start up this fast).
    - the keyboard. It feels so much nicer to type than on my PC laptop because there's a place to put my wrist comfortably. I never knew this feeling before.
    - the weight. it's extremely light and doing away with the SuperDrive was the best thing ever. I very rarely use the SuperDrive (maybe twice a year) and I can't believe I carried around my PC laptop with a DVD Drive without purpose all this time.

    I am not using my Mac for gaming, so I can't really comment on that, but having a mac for portability and work makes me happier.

    Being a PC user all my life, I am glad I have a Mac now too. I can't see myself turning into a Mac fan boy as I still love my desktop PC. I use it to play graphic intense games, and analyses that require a lot of computing power... so it has its purpose so I can't ever see myself going fully Mac. I guess it's good to choose the right tools for the task at hand so you can optimize your productivity.

    Anyways, thought I'd share my first experience with a Mac.
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    Apr 11, 2011 3:43 AM GMT
    I've been on the fence about a macbook air for months now.

    How quickly have you become accustomed to the software?

    Are there quirks that throw you off?

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    Apr 11, 2011 3:52 AM GMT
    My previous job was all Mac on the desktops. And the one thing that threw me off once in a while was the keyboard shortcuts. But in terms of software, I guess it depends on what you do on your computer. We mostly used web based applications, so it really doesn't matter what computer we had. As long as it had a web browser and an internet connection.
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    Apr 11, 2011 4:08 AM GMT
    mac= less clicking to get tasks done, so over time you ll find youre more productive then in windows. Other then that, I find the experience identical, pluses and minuses just like in windows
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    Apr 11, 2011 7:58 AM GMT
    Ok I just found this really funny. I think I need to quote what you like about Macs.

    "- the screen
    - Photoshop and Microsoft office programs
    - the keyboard
    - the weight"

    And that's why Macs sell.

    Nothing against you, but personally I can't stand Macs. I've vowed on my life that I would see the end of Mac computers. I have to use them at work and they are the most terrible pieces of crap for doing anything technical, especially data processing. I feel like pulling my hair out whenever I have to do data crunching on a mac. I feel like the OS treats me like a child and tries to hold my hand like I don't know shit about computers. When I fucking scroll over and click on a cell in excel I want to actually click on that point, not the one half way over like I accidentally scrolled too far...

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, Macs are not for real-world applications, they are meant for giving hippies a way to look at photos and pretend to write a book while sitting in a Starbucks, yet know shit about what a computer should be able to do.

    /end rant
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    Apr 11, 2011 9:58 AM GMT
    Macs are heavily used in all aspects of the entertainment industry in some heavy duty applications.
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    Apr 11, 2011 10:07 AM GMT
    hazardous said

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, Macs are not for real-world applications, they are meant for giving hippies a way to look at photos and pretend to write a book while sitting in a Starbucks, yet know shit about what a computer should be able to do.

    /end rant


    LMFAO!
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    Apr 11, 2011 10:16 AM GMT
    hazardous said

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, Macs are not for real-world applications, they are meant for giving hippies a way to look at photos and pretend to write a book while sitting in a Starbucks, yet know shit about what a computer should be able to do.

    /end rant




    In a previous life I had a real-world job using a Mac, and loved every minute of it. I'm certainly no hippie or tree-hugger, and have never even considered writing a book.

    Your generalisation be too general me thinks.


    I DO however agree whole-heartedly that Macs are the poor cousin when it comes to data entry and high-end technical input, but then that would be like complaining about the efficiency of your pick-up truck as a high-end race car; it's not what it was designed to do, regardless of what the pick-up truck ad men and marketers would like you to believe. icon_smile.gif

    horses for courses.


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    Apr 11, 2011 12:56 PM GMT
    I love my Macs. It's put food on the table for many years.
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    Apr 11, 2011 2:22 PM GMT
    I love Macs, for email, browsing the internet, take notes, and store photos thats what my iPad and iPhone are for. For serious stuff and for gaming I have two PCs at home, I would never get a Mac simply cause for the price of a Mac I can build a way more capable PC.
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    Apr 11, 2011 2:24 PM GMT
    If I never see another PC as long as I live it will be fine with me. Once you go Mac you will never go back icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 11, 2011 2:26 PM GMT
    hazardous saidOk I just found this really funny. I think I need to quote what you like about Macs.

    "- the screen
    - Photoshop and Microsoft office programs
    - the keyboard
    - the weight"

    And that's why Macs sell.

    Nothing against you, but personally I can't stand Macs. I've vowed on my life that I would see the end of Mac computers. I have to use them at work and they are the most terrible pieces of crap for doing anything technical, especially data processing. I feel like pulling my hair out whenever I have to do data crunching on a mac. I feel like the OS treats me like a child and tries to hold my hand like I don't know shit about computers. When I fucking scroll over and click on a cell in excel I want to actually click on that point, not the one half way over like I accidentally scrolled too far...

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, Macs are not for real-world applications, they are meant for giving hippies a way to look at photos and pretend to write a book while sitting in a Starbucks, yet know shit about what a computer should be able to do.

    /end rant



    I ll put it to you this way, final cut pro 2 and make millions with talent and skills, or data processing, 30k a year hipster style. You decide.

    Also, unless youve been under a rock, windows runs just as good on a mac as on a wintel.
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    Apr 11, 2011 2:28 PM GMT
    mi16t said.

    Also, unless youve been under a rock, windows runs just as good on a mac as on a wintel.


    theres only so much power you can pack in a Mac, PC aint got no limits
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    Apr 11, 2011 2:29 PM GMT
    charlitos said
    mi16t said.

    Also, unless youve been under a rock, windows runs just as good on a mac as on a wintel.


    theres only so much power you can pack in a Mac, PC aint got no limits



    ...other then efi firmware vs bios, they are IDENTICAL to eachother. What the heck are you talking about?
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    Apr 11, 2011 2:33 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidIf I never see another PC as long as I live it will be fine with me. Once you go Mac you will never go back icon_lol.gif


    Amen brotha!
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    Apr 11, 2011 2:49 PM GMT
    mi16t said
    charlitos said
    mi16t said.

    Also, unless youve been under a rock, windows runs just as good on a mac as on a wintel.


    theres only so much power you can pack in a Mac, PC aint got no limits



    ...other then efi firmware vs bios, they are IDENTICAL to eachother. What the heck are you talking about?


    hardware wise, the power of choosing any motherboard, any graphics card, any ram and any processor, thats what im talking about.

    software wise(a mac running windows isnt a mac)....where do i start
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    Apr 11, 2011 2:55 PM GMT
    hazardous saidOk I just found this really funny. I think I need to quote what you like about Macs.

    "- the screen
    - Photoshop and Microsoft office programs
    - the keyboard
    - the weight"

    And that's why Macs sell.

    Nothing against you, but personally I can't stand Macs. I've vowed on my life that I would see the end of Mac computers. I have to use them at work and they are the most terrible pieces of crap for doing anything technical, especially data processing. I feel like pulling my hair out whenever I have to do data crunching on a mac. I feel like the OS treats me like a child and tries to hold my hand like I don't know shit about computers. When I fucking scroll over and click on a cell in excel I want to actually click on that point, not the one half way over like I accidentally scrolled too far...

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, Macs are not for real-world applications, they are meant for giving hippies a way to look at photos and pretend to write a book while sitting in a Starbucks, yet know shit about what a computer should be able to do.

    /end rant


    Awe man, thats awful! I used to hate them too and made fun of those hipsters. I bought mine because I jumped on the mobile-app development bandwagon.

    I do not regret buying my mac at all. I use it everyday doing exactly what you say it sucks at. Data processing. I am researching data driven topological feature extraction. Its UI is decent enough, though I typically work at the command line -- something windows can't effectively give me.

    Also, Apple pushes a few specifications that I have in the past worked with (OpenCL). So... Apple is aware more than just color-happy digital media people use it. In fact, when I did my internship at Oak Ridge National Lab, I was astonished by how many people used Mac in their labs.
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    Apr 11, 2011 2:59 PM GMT
    charlitos said
    mi16t said
    charlitos said
    mi16t said.

    Also, unless youve been under a rock, windows runs just as good on a mac as on a wintel.


    theres only so much power you can pack in a Mac, PC aint got no limits



    ...other then efi firmware vs bios, they are IDENTICAL to eachother. What the heck are you talking about?


    hardware wise, the power of choosing any motherboard, any graphics card, any ram and any processor, thats what im talking about.

    software wise(a mac running windows isnt a mac)....where do i start



    So then you much rather have a asus board that blows caps left and right and needs to be RMAed once a week then a rock solid intel board that you find in the mac... LOL try again.

    My pc uses ALL oem parts, you know why? They NEVER have to be RMAed for cap or ANY hardware failures... but by all means good luck with taiwanese asus, asrock, ecs, lanparty, etc etc

    You think youre talking to a noob don t you?

    Also, ALL the macs with non BGA cpus can have them SWAPPED OUT, like the mac mini for example, and the mac pro even allowed .. gasp... graphic card swaps, physixs card support, dual sli!!!!

    ram, hdds and optical drives are swappable on ALL apple machines...

    Show me a non alienware or asus pro series laptop that allows for the cpu to be swapped out and the video card too, cost sub 2000$ , and doesn t use bga...


    nga u on crack.

    The only point you can make is price, but then again, apple craps out, you go to apple store and they give you a new computer under warranty. Homebrew pc craps out, you pay for RMA, they deny it, you fight. Or, you call india for your dell, and try to explain over and over and over that you did plug the powercord in.

    Really.
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    Apr 11, 2011 3:21 PM GMT
    brisk270 saidI've been on the fence about a macbook air for months now.

    How quickly have you become accustomed to the software?

    Are there quirks that throw you off?



    I think I was pretty much accustomed to the software right away. The biggest difference I noticed is that OS X does not have a built in Uninstall function so I had to go find a program that cleanly deletes other programs. Also, Safari froze on me once, so I had to figure out how to force quit something.

    As far as quirks that throw me off, I don't think I found any so far. The learning curve was not bad.
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    Apr 11, 2011 4:19 PM GMT
    mi16t said

    So then you much rather have a asus board that blows caps left and right and needs to be RMAed once a week then a rock solid intel board that you find in the mac... LOL try again.

    My pc uses ALL oem parts, you know why? They NEVER have to be RMAed for cap or ANY hardware failures... but by all means good luck with taiwanese asus, asrock, ecs, lanparty, etc etc

    You think youre talking to a noob don t you?

    Also, ALL the macs with non BGA cpus can have them SWAPPED OUT, like the mac mini for example, and the mac pro even allowed .. gasp... graphic card swaps, physixs card support, dual sli!!!!

    ram, hdds and optical drives are swappable on ALL apple machines...

    Show me a non alienware or asus pro series laptop that allows for the cpu to be swapped out and the video card too, cost sub 2000$ , and doesn t use bga...

    nga u on crack.

    The only point you can make is price, but then again, apple craps out, you go to apple store and they give you a new computer under warranty. Homebrew pc craps out, you pay for RMA, they deny it, you fight. Or, you call india for your dell, and try to explain over and over and over that you did plug the powercord in.

    Really.


    All computers PCs or Macs are prone to failure. You say Intel Boards are solid, stable and never have to be RAMed. That is simply not true and for someone who claims not to be a noob you should know better ways of reviewing a product without making absolute claims. The motherboard wont be RAMed? Seriously the entire system will be sent back to Apple for a replacement.

    Yes, Intel mobos for Macs are reliable but part of their reliability comes from limitations(unlike ASUS boards) due to a very tight integration with the rest of the components hooked to it. This is the price you have to pay for reliability and this is why you got so excited when Apple let you swap a graphics card or when Apple finally let you do SLI. Macs are a custom box limited to certain upgrades approved by Apple in order to increase reliability and keep a high customer satisfaction rate(pure success in your case). Since I believe I am capable enough of choosing whats best to satisfy my personal needs without having Apple telling me whats good or what isnt, I preffer to leave Macs to the noobs(no offense).

    PS: You can pretty much get a full replacement for any faulty product, from Sony Vaio laptops to Samsung Home Theater Systems to Sennheiser earbuds.
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    Apr 11, 2011 4:27 PM GMT
    I think the concept of a "desktop" OS is nearing an end now anyway, from what I've seen of the beta releases of Lion. The future is tablet style, portable computers with expansion capabilities for production. Probably running Android Honeycomb or some variation of iOS/OSX . "7" is OK, but seriously, dig down and you'll find the same snap-ins that they were using in NT 3.51. Dell, HP and the lot are going to have a hard time jamming Windows into the form factors people are beginning to demand. Probably why HP just bought Palm.

    Time will tell, but I'm betting the future on machines like the Air, Zoom, and the Flyer. Adobe just released photoshop touch for iPad proving that these are not just machines for casual consumption. Intel just announced that they will be doing an unprecedented three update cycles to the atom this year too, which will empower these devices with desktop like capabilities. With a bluetooth keyboard and Airplay you can kick your signal out to whatever you'd like, and do whatever you want and still have a device with 10 hour + battery life that you can effortlessly haul around.
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    Apr 11, 2011 4:49 PM GMT
    hazardous saidOk I just found this really funny. I think I need to quote what you like about Macs.

    "- the screen
    - Photoshop and Microsoft office programs
    - the keyboard
    - the weight"

    And that's why Macs sell.

    Nothing against you, but personally I can't stand Macs. I've vowed on my life that I would see the end of Mac computers. I have to use them at work and they are the most terrible pieces of crap for doing anything technical, especially data processing. I feel like pulling my hair out whenever I have to do data crunching on a mac. I feel like the OS treats me like a child and tries to hold my hand like I don't know shit about computers. When I fucking scroll over and click on a cell in excel I want to actually click on that point, not the one half way over like I accidentally scrolled too far...

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, Macs are not for real-world applications, they are meant for giving hippies a way to look at photos and pretend to write a book while sitting in a Starbucks, yet know shit about what a computer should be able to do.

    /end rant


    I find this really funny. It's such an unintelligent reply, for a few reasons.

    1) The "problem" you're describing is with Excel, which is software made by Microsoft. It's not a Mac or Apple issue. Duh.

    2) I would never say PCs are useless, you just have to pick the right tool for the right job -- maybe you or your company shouldn't be using a Mac for your data processing needs. Although, to be honest, Excel can be used by monkeys.

    3) If -- because your Mac doesn't work for your data-processing needs -- you think they are only good for "hippies" sitting in Starbucks, then your view of the world is miniscule. For example, in the creative fields such as design, art, film, and music, there really is no comparison to a high-end Mac. Period. And that's just one example.

    But anyway, don't let me interrupt your data crunching. Have fun.

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    Apr 11, 2011 4:53 PM GMT
    microbiologist saidAnyways, thought I'd share my first experience with a Mac.

    Thanks. I got the latest iteration of the desktop iMac just before Christmas. Also has SSD for the OS and all the applications, loads lightning fast, as you say. A couple of terabytes on a conventional HD take care of my storage.

    We've still got a MacBook Pro, too, which I'm thinking of replacing around Christmas, that's when I usually make major purchases. I never keep a Mac past 2 or 3 years, just prefer new. But in 28 years of owning Apple products, I've never had to replace one because it failed on me. Can't say that about PCs I've had.
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    Apr 11, 2011 5:10 PM GMT
    Don't get the air... It's no more powerful than my MacBook pro I got back in 2005...

    You should try and buy a refurb 13" MacBook pro... You will spend a bit more but it will be well worth it.
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    Apr 11, 2011 5:10 PM GMT
    Getting back to the MBA...
    The main reason to get one is portability I believe. Samsung has come out with this awesome looking ultra portable.

    -Core i5
    -duralumin construction
    -4GB RAM
    -SSD
    Etc...

    http://www.zdnet.com/blog/computers/ces-2011-samsung-takes-on-macbook-air-with-super-sleek-9-series-ultra-portable-laptop/4722

    The critical difference is that it's 1,600$ . If it were priced the same I would be all over the Samsung.