Message to Gay Conservatives: Be Less Gay

  • GQjock

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    Apr 13, 2011 12:42 AM GMT
    Message to Gay Conservatives: Be Less Gay
    The new head of the American Conservative Union, the primary sponsor of the annual Conservative Political Action Conference, says it’s great to have a gay group at the conference as long as its focus is not on, well, gay issues.

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    He added, “The ideal GOProud participation would have been, ‘You know what, guys? This is an inclusive society. We’re as interested in these fiscal issues as you are. Fill your website with fiscal issues that you’re for and be a mainstream discusser of issues. We just happen to have a different lifestyle.’ And if they’d done that, they would have laid the groundwork for things that would have been pretty good.”

    A look Tuesday morning at the GOProud website actually finds it filled with fiscal issues, including, on the home page, endorsements of Rep. Paul Ryan’s budget proposal and a plan for school choice in the District of Columbia.

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    Apr 13, 2011 2:21 AM GMT
    Reply to non-gay conservatives: Give me 5 male Palin asses to plow with my penis and I'll think about it.
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    Apr 13, 2011 2:44 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidReply to non-gay conservatives: Give me 5 male Palin asses to plow with my penis and I'll think about it.
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  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Apr 13, 2011 2:55 PM GMT
    I will surely get blasted for this, but I sort of get what Al Cardenas is trying to say, though I don't think it came out quite how he meant it -- and, of course, his words will likely be taken way too literally by the uber sensitve gays on the far left. Cardenas said:


    “The ideal GOProud participation would have been, ‘You know what, guys? This is an inclusive society. We’re as interested in these fiscal issues as you are. Fill your website with fiscal issues that you’re for and be a mainstream discusser of issues. We just happen to have a different lifestyle.’ And if they’d done that, they would have laid the groundwork for things that would have been pretty good.”

    If it's true that, as Cardenas put it, "they used that platform to be quite aggressive [outside CPAC]. They started taunting some of our board members", then perhaps GOProud used the wrong approach. Sorry, guys, but ramming our gayness down the conservative world's throats will get us nowhere. I am not saying this is what GOProud did -- I wasn't there, I'm not sure how they conducted themselves within the CPAC arena. Regardless, I think Cardenas, at least on the surface, is making a valid point. The approach gay organizations use -- and a little finesse goes a long way -- is crucial, in my opinion, to winning over the masses. Cardenas suggested that a softer (or "less aggressive") approach would have "laid the groundwork for things that would have been pretty good". I think these words need to be taken to heart. This is simple MARKETING 101 stuff.


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    Apr 13, 2011 3:23 PM GMT
    CuriousjockAZ said, " We just happen to have a different lifestyle."

    No, no, and no. I didn't choose this as I would to live a lifestyle as a beachcomber, or a philanthropist, a world traveler, or a minimalist. Your genetic skin colour is not a lifestyle. Your height is not a lifestyle.
    We CHOOSE lifestyles. Gay is not a choice.

    -Doug
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    Apr 13, 2011 3:34 PM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidReply to non-gay conservatives: Give me 5 male Palin asses to plow with my penis and I'll think about it.



    Here's the first one, ready for you to plow.

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    Apr 13, 2011 3:45 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI will surely get blasted for this, but I sort of get what Al Cardenas is trying to say, though I don't think it came out quite how he meant it -- and, of course, his words will likely be taken way too literally by the uber sensitve gays on the far left. Cardenas said:


    “The ideal GOProud participation would have been, ‘You know what, guys? This is an inclusive society. We’re as interested in these fiscal issues as you are. Fill your website with fiscal issues that you’re for and be a mainstream discusser of issues. We just happen to have a different lifestyle.’ And if they’d done that, they would have laid the groundwork for things that would have been pretty good.”

    Ask and you shall receive. I'm not sure what inclusive society he thinks he's talking about, but not in the Republican Party, nor the vision they have for America.

    I read this as: "You can be gay, so long as you don't behave gay, or push any of your gay issues with us. You can be Republican only if that's all you are, in accordance with orthodox Party Policy, and have no involvement with things gay, and only support the Party line as we dictate it. Then we'll let you call yourself gay, and stay in the Republican Party."

    In other words, surrender being gay, and we'll let you call yourself gay. Some inclusion! We include you, but only on our exclusionary, non-gay terms. Well, at least the GOP can make the claim that they have gays in their organization, even if they are scraping Uncle Toms.

    No, I heard exactly what Cardenas was saying, and I think it's you who's sugar-coating and spinning it.
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    Apr 13, 2011 3:52 PM GMT
    GQjock saidMessage to Gay Conservatives: Be Less Gay

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    He added, “The ideal GOProud participation would have been, ‘You know what, guys? This is an inclusive society. We’re as interested in these fiscal issues as you are. Fill your website with fiscal issues that you’re for and be a mainstream discusser of issues. We just happen to have a different lifestyle.’




    Inclusive? Just happen to have a different lifestyle? I doubt if most right wingers would view it that simply...

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    Apr 13, 2011 5:52 PM GMT
    So don't talk about Don't Ask, Don't Tell... or Marriage Equality.
    Don't bring your partner to any Republican fundraising events...or out in public. At all.
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    Apr 13, 2011 6:02 PM GMT
    As if GOProud wasn't ALREADY a purely pro-Republican advocacy group.
    They already support all Republican candidates regardless of whether or not those Republican candidates endorse pro-gay policies, and even if they endorse ANTI-gay policies.

    This "message" just makes it blatantly obvious that the Repubs want gay votes - but they DO NOT want to have to change their anti-gay agenda ONE IOTA.
    And they don't even want to have to listen to any gays raise their concerns or desire for equal rights.
    They just want gay Repubs to be good little boys and girls.
    Obedient, subservient, and "seen (only when necessary) but not heard".

    All they want is gay votes.
    And then they want gays to shut the fuck up.
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    Apr 13, 2011 7:27 PM GMT
    Now is all Obama wanted was the gay vote, and many liberals like sheep followed, and now look at what he has done to the US. If you love your country you should of put it first.

    We have a gay in power in Oz Bob Brown He is head of our communist party the greens, with Welsh born Prim Minister Julia Gillard as his marionette. But together they have fucked up so made, cost this country, that they will be gone in the next election, and any chance I may of had as a True Blue Aussie poofter; the real thing are now almost gone, and I'll never see the chance again in my lifetime.

    Just as with thew clock is ticking with Obama doing little for the advancement of homosexuals in the US, your time is just about up too.

    When you vote put your country first, not self.
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    Apr 13, 2011 7:33 PM GMT
    Art_Deco: Well, at least the GOP can make the claim that they have gays in their organization, even if they are scraping Uncle Toms.

    jockfever: Ah yes, that's how some broad-minded, compassionate, diversity-loving Libs refer to black Republicans, isn't it? BTW, isn't it cool that most of the new black and Latino faces in Congress were elected as Republicans? Go Allen West.

    So gays must all think alike regarding "DADT repeal" and "gay marriage". Like belonging to the Borg.

    Some gays place the well being of the nation as a whole ahead of the trophy issues of the Left-gay agenda, especially if that agenda makes one an accomplice to the Obama-Pelosi-Reid disaster.

    GOProud's looking better and better.


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    Apr 13, 2011 7:39 PM GMT
    jockfever said
    So gays must all think alike regarding "DADT repeal" and "gay marriage".


    Actually, yes, they must. Or there is something wrong with them.
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    Apr 13, 2011 8:00 PM GMT
    meninlove saidCuriousjockAZ said, " We just happen to have a different lifestyle."

    No, no, and no. I didn't choose this as I would to live a lifestyle as a beachcomber, or a philanthropist, a world traveler, or a minimalist. Your genetic skin colour is not a lifestyle. Your height is not a lifestyle.
    We CHOOSE lifestyles. Gay is not a choice.

    -Doug


    I was quoting what the CPAC guy said, hence why it was in quotations.


    Art_Deco, you are a shining example of the "uber sensitive" gays who cannot see the forest for the trees -- so wrapped up in your own gayness that you cannot see the broader picture. I think this is what the CPAC guy was trying to say though, admittedly, it really didn't come out that way. He wasn't saying that gays shouldn't have their own issues to focus on, but rather the approach to these issues was perhaps the problem GOProud had this past year when it came to presenting themselves (and their agenda) to the broader spectrum of CPAC people.
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    Apr 13, 2011 8:01 PM GMT
    jockfever saidGOProud's looking better and better.

    While you're looking worse & worse, and more anti-gay? Well, OK, oppose gay issues, and support issues to deny gays all civil rights, and keep us second-class citizens. Not to mention women, minorities, and the poor. Amazing to see when someone actually declares themselves for the rich and corporations, at the expense of all others. As you wish...
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    Apr 13, 2011 8:04 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said Amazing to see when someone actually declares themselves for the rich and corporations, at the expense of all others.


    I wouldn't necessarily go that far. Most big corporations have amazing diversity programs and policies these days. It is taking time for the results to wend their way up the corporate ladder, but it is happening.
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    Apr 13, 2011 8:06 PM GMT
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    jockfever said
    So gays must all think alike regarding "DADT repeal" and "gay marriage".


    Actually, yes, they must. Or there is something wrong with them.




    What a great comment.
    I mean, come on!
    Even if you're a gay Repub, why on Earth would you oppose repealing the discriminatory policy of DADT or equal marriage rights for gay Americans?
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    Apr 13, 2011 8:15 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco said Amazing to see when someone actually declares themselves for the rich and corporations, at the expense of all others.

    I wouldn't necessarily go that far. Most big corporations have amazing diversity programs and policies these days. It is taking time for the results to wend their way up the corporate ladder, but it is happening.

    I know this. Not because of themselves, but because of us gays and other interest groups putting pressure on them. But I will never accept the Republican approach of corporations first, citizens second.
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    Apr 13, 2011 8:46 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    showme said
    jockfever said
    So gays must all think alike regarding "DADT repeal" and "gay marriage".


    Actually, yes, they must. Or there is something wrong with them.




    What a great comment.
    I mean, come on!
    Even if you're a gay Repub, why on Earth would you oppose repealing the discriminatory policy of DADT or equal marriage rights for gay Americans?


    I'd say most of us don't.

    But at the same time, there is a constitutional framework for how to address recognizing human rights (the interpretation being that the rights exist, and have existed - they are "self evident"... it is a matter of then recognizing them as such and enshrining them in law).

    DADT is a federal issue and is relatively easily adjudicated (in the present case, repealed - as it should have been).

    Equal Marriage/SSM is still a state's right to determine, though a day is likely coming soon when there will be enough states and sufficient momentum to ( a ) overturn DOMA and ( b ) enact law that requires states to at least recognize SSM's granted by other states regardless of the particulars of the state in which the couple or either domiciling in, or passing through.

    By the end of my generation (expecting to see the 2040s or 2050s here) I fully expect that SSM will be accepted without pause or question throughout the USA.

    It is a slow, long slog to be sure, this is both the boon and the burden of being a constitutional federal republic as opposed to a unitary state.
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    Apr 13, 2011 9:01 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidBy the end of my generation (expecting to see the 2040s or 2050s here) I fully expect that SSM will be accepted without pause or question throughout the USA.

    It is a slow, long slog to be sure, this is both the boon and the burden of being a constitutional federal republic as opposed to a unitary state.


    Which is a fat lot of good, because you'll likely be dead.


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    Apr 13, 2011 10:01 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidWhich is a fat lot of good, because you'll likely be dead.


    Oh c'mon, he'll only be 67 in 2040! icon_rolleyes.gif

    I would probably be a Republican if it was was the old-fashioned party focused on economic issues. But until the party - not just a crappy, disrespected splinter group like GOProud or the Log Cabin Republicans - completely gets its head out of its ass on social issues, including (especially) gay rights, they will never have my vote.
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    Apr 13, 2011 11:56 PM GMT
    So by the logic the head of CPAC has put forth ..........

    It's OKAY to be gay and republican as long as you don't bring up gay issues

    Hmmmmmm ..........
    and ya think he'd say that to the Black caucus?????
    You really think he'd say You can be black but I'd rather you didn't bring up the fact you're black
    or .... women if they're women
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    Apr 14, 2011 12:32 AM GMT
    TigerTim said
    alphatrigger saidBy the end of my generation (expecting to see the 2040s or 2050s here) I fully expect that SSM will be accepted without pause or question throughout the USA.

    It is a slow, long slog to be sure, this is both the boon and the burden of being a constitutional federal republic as opposed to a unitary state.


    Which is a fat lot of good, because you'll likely be dead.






    And it wouldn't be such a "slow, long slog" if the Republican party wasn't fighting tooth and nail to block SSM.
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    Apr 14, 2011 1:18 AM GMT
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    TigerTim said
    alphatrigger saidBy the end of my generation (expecting to see the 2040s or 2050s here) I fully expect that SSM will be accepted without pause or question throughout the USA.

    It is a slow, long slog to be sure, this is both the boon and the burden of being a constitutional federal republic as opposed to a unitary state.


    Which is a fat lot of good, because you'll likely be dead.






    And it wouldn't be such a "slow, long slog" if the Republican party wasn't fighting tooth and nail to block SSM.


    2050 is the very latest I expect SSM to be honoured fully and equally throughout the Republic.

    I would not be surprised if the GOP sees things differently by as early as 2020.
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    Apr 14, 2011 2:41 AM GMT
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    JAKEBENSON saidReply to non-gay conservatives: Give me 5 male Palin asses to plow with my penis and I'll think about it.



    Here's the first one, ready for you to plow.

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    One down, four to go. Where's the Playgirl one? I want him. I might count him as two people if I can plow him twice.