Brain differences between conservatives and liberals.

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    Apr 14, 2011 2:16 AM GMT
    http://www.livescience.com/13608-brain-political-ideology-liberal-conservative.html

    Interesting article. I haven't read the actual journal article so be a bit skeptical of what the media article says.


    QUOTEThe researchers found that volunteers who identified themselves as liberal tended to have a larger anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain linked with monitoring uncertainty, which could help them cope with conflicting information. On the other hand, those who identified themselves as conservative have a larger amygdala, an area linked with greater sensitivity to fear and disgust.


    But also

    QUOTEKanai did caution against taking these findings too far, as there are many uncertainties about the associations the researchers saw. For instance, which came first — the brain structures or the political views? One might also note that brain structure can be shaped over time by experience, and that some people are known to change their views over the course of a lifetime. Past research has shown, for instance, that counter to stereotype, as people age, they become more liberal.
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    Apr 14, 2011 9:17 PM GMT
    I think I have become more conservative as I've gotten older. When I first ever voted it was for bloody Bob Hawk, Australian left wing. With more life experiences since as I have grown and matured has changed that. Maybe because as I have gotten older I have become less self obsessed and selfish, and not put the welfare of my country first.
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    Apr 14, 2011 9:24 PM GMT
    http://www.bakadesuyo.com/are-we-all-liberals-at-heart

    "The Role of Cognitive Resources in Determining Our Moral Intuitions: Are We All Liberals at Heart?" from Journal of Experimental Social Psychology:

    Recent research provides evidence that one important difference between liberals and conservatives is their basic moral intuitions. These studies suggest that while liberals and conservatives respond equally to considerations of harm/care and fairness (what Graham & Haidt call the “individualizing” foundations), conservatives also respond strongly to considerations of in-group, authority, and purity (the “binding” foundations) while liberals do not. Our study examined two alternative hypotheses for this difference—the first being that liberals cognitively override, and the alternative being that conservatives cognitively enhance, their binding foundation intuitions. Using self-regulation depletion and cognitive load tasks to compromise people's ability to monitor and regulate their automatic moral responses, we found support for the latter hypothesis—when cognitive resources were depleted/distracted, conservatives became more like liberals (de-prioritizing the binding foundations), rather than the other way around. This provides support for the view that conservatism is a form of motivated social cognition.
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    Apr 15, 2011 2:07 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidhttp://www.bakadesuyo.com/are-we-all-liberals-at-heart

    "The Role of Cognitive Resources in Determining Our Moral Intuitions: Are We All Liberals at Heart?" from Journal of Experimental Social Psychology:

    Recent research provides evidence that one important difference between liberals and conservatives is their basic moral intuitions. These studies suggest that while liberals and conservatives respond equally to considerations of harm/care and fairness (what Graham & Haidt call the “individualizing” foundations), conservatives also respond strongly to considerations of in-group, authority, and purity (the “binding” foundations) while liberals do not. Our study examined two alternative hypotheses for this difference—the first being that liberals cognitively override, and the alternative being that conservatives cognitively enhance, their binding foundation intuitions. Using self-regulation depletion and cognitive load tasks to compromise people's ability to monitor and regulate their automatic moral responses, we found support for the latter hypothesis—when cognitive resources were depleted/distracted, conservatives became more like liberals (de-prioritizing the binding foundations), rather than the other way around. This provides support for the view that conservatism is a form of motivated social cognition.


    Interesting. I want to untangle that a bit since I'm not sure what the terms in this literature refer to. First of all, a literature search suggests that binding foundation in this literature refers to:

    Perceptions of social dangers, moral foundations, and political orientation. (2009) Journal: Personality & Indiv. Differences, 47moral foundations pertaining to group loyalty, respect for authority, and purity (which are referred to
    as the ‘‘binding” foundations, as opposed to the ‘‘individualizing” foundations pertaining to justice and
    care).


    So if I'm reading the article correctly, it sounds that the hypothesis and results outline as such:

    Previous studies: Conservatives are have stronger "binding foundation" morality (e.g. group loyalty, respect for authority, and purity) while liberals have stronger "individualizing" foundation morality (justice/fairness, harm, care).

    Research Question: Is it the case that liberals are actively cognitively suppressing their "binding" foundation morals, or is it instead the case that conservatives are cognitively enhancing their "binding" foundation morals?

    Answer: Conservatives are actively and cognitively (maybe even consciously? but that's probably a leap) amplifying "binding" foundation morality (e.g. group loyalty, authority, and purity) making them consider those morals as more important and overriding morality considerations relating to the "individualizing" foundation morals (e.g. justice/fairness, harm, care etc).

    Unfortunately the article still says "In Press" on Dr. Wright's publication page and I can't find a copy of it online as a result, so I can't be sure.

    Actually this makes sense together with the article I posted. I mean, an easy conclusion might be that a more responsive amygdala (e.g. fear, emotions) would of course lead to weighing familiar things as more important (e.g. your group) as well as wanting more structure (e.g. authority figures). Speculation though, but seems reasonable.
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    Apr 15, 2011 2:28 AM GMT
    Yup, conservatism would die out if people would only stop using their precious brain resources for binding. You can't stop progress. icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 15, 2011 2:48 AM GMT
    Haha that might not be a great idea though. Imagine what would happen to you if you had no amygdala and saw a tiger. Bad right? You can think of conservatives as society's amygdala.
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    Apr 15, 2011 2:51 AM GMT
    Yeah how big is the amygdala compared to the whole brain? If conservatism=amygdala, they would like it to be 90% of your brain. icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 15, 2011 3:10 AM GMT
    Anxiety, Depression, and Goal-Seeking in Conservatives, Liberals, and Moderates

    Anxiety and depression would not seem to be specifically relevant to a particular individual's political affiliation. However, what should ostensibly be non-correlated variables have turned out to be highly correlated in our March 2005 survey. We found a statistically significant relationship (p < .0001) between anxiety, depression, and liberalism.

    http://neuropolitics.org/Anxiety-Depression-and-Goal-Seeking-in-Conservatives-Liberals-Moderates.htm

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    Apr 15, 2011 3:13 AM GMT
    I have run into a couple of conservatives that actually have brains......Amazing!!!
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    Apr 15, 2011 3:23 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidAnxiety, Depression, and Goal-Seeking in Conservatives, Liberals, and Moderates

    Anxiety and depression would not seem to be specifically relevant to a particular individual's political affiliation. However, what should ostensibly be non-correlated variables have turned out to be highly correlated in our March 2005 survey. We found a statistically significant relationship (p < .0001) between anxiety, depression, and liberalism.

    http://neuropolitics.org/Anxiety-Depression-and-Goal-Seeking-in-Conservatives-Liberals-Moderates.htm



    Please find a credible source as that is not one.
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    Apr 15, 2011 3:32 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidAnxiety, Depression, and Goal-Seeking in Conservatives, Liberals, and Moderates

    Anxiety and depression would not seem to be specifically relevant to a particular individual's political affiliation. However, what should ostensibly be non-correlated variables have turned out to be highly correlated in our March 2005 survey. We found a statistically significant relationship (p < .0001) between anxiety, depression, and liberalism.

    http://neuropolitics.org/Anxiety-Depression-and-Goal-Seeking-in-Conservatives-Liberals-Moderates.htm



    I can't figure out who these guys are or their credentials. More importantly, I was unable to determine from their methods descriptions, or lack thereof, whether they controlled for stuff like age (e.g. liberals may be younger and younger people may be more anxious ) wealth (liberals may be less wealthy and less wealthy people may be more anxious) etc etc. There is a reason science articles have a section called METHODS which is probably more important than the RESULTS section. These guys should get in on that.
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    Apr 15, 2011 3:36 AM GMT
    turtleneckjock saidI have run into a couple of conservatives that actually have brains......Amazing!!!
    Which liberals did they steal them from?
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    Apr 15, 2011 3:36 AM GMT
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    socalfitness saidAnxiety, Depression, and Goal-Seeking in Conservatives, Liberals, and Moderates

    Anxiety and depression would not seem to be specifically relevant to a particular individual's political affiliation. However, what should ostensibly be non-correlated variables have turned out to be highly correlated in our March 2005 survey. We found a statistically significant relationship (p < .0001) between anxiety, depression, and liberalism.

    http://neuropolitics.org/Anxiety-Depression-and-Goal-Seeking-in-Conservatives-Liberals-Moderates.htm



    Please find a credible source as that is not one.
    I agree!... Charles Brack is a quack (with NO credentials of any kind other than a webpage) and xi zhang.. well... is a lawyer (female version) or received an MS and Ph.D in polymer chemistry and physics (male version)

    C'mon socal... do your research. k??????? icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 15, 2011 4:13 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidAnxiety, Depression, and Goal-Seeking in Conservatives, Liberals, and Moderates

    Anxiety and depression would not seem to be specifically relevant to a particular individual's political affiliation. However, what should ostensibly be non-correlated variables have turned out to be highly correlated in our March 2005 survey. We found a statistically significant relationship (p < .0001) between anxiety, depression, and liberalism.

    http://neuropolitics.org/Anxiety-Depression-and-Goal-Seeking-in-Conservatives-Liberals-Moderates.htm



    You can't possibly base mental illnesses on what party a person belongs to, if you are insinuating that a party causes the illness. Or, you are saying that mentally ill people are attracted to the party. If so, I would say d'oh. The republican party wishes to cut their programs that they must depend on. Few businesses will give a job to a person that has these problems to a debilitating degree, and rightly so.

    If you're going to say Liberals have high numbers of mental illness, and so are suspect, be prepared to see the same pointed out in your own party. Mental illness transcends most demographics in various degrees, but not by very much. Something to consider is that this is a reported mental illness. Consider how many never seek help.

    -Doug


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    Apr 15, 2011 4:22 AM GMT
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    Apr 15, 2011 4:29 AM GMT
    There's also a question of sample group. Who represented the liberals and conservatives? Psychology PhD students vs the local woman at Wal-Mart?
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    Apr 15, 2011 4:39 AM GMT
    Don_Guerrilla_de_Sodom saidPhotobucket


    Didn't I say they want the amygdala to be 90% of the brain?icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 15, 2011 4:59 AM GMT
    Conservatives believe inflicting pain is the solution to a fair and good society.

    Their logic is that people will avoid this pain...by either falling into line or working harder, right?

    Conservatives are much more likely to beat their kids....waterboard their enemies...destroy the planet for financial gain. They tell the cops to beat African Americans with tire irons...or better yet, just hang them from a tree. Their solution for the poor is to let them die from lack of medical care or starvation.

    The God of all conservatives, Ronald Reagan, thought queers should be left to die of AIDS. And for the ones who survived...William F. Buckley advocated "smashing queers in the goddamn face." Paul Cameron, the conservative's "go to" expert on psychological issues...said that "homosexuals should be exterminated."
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    Apr 15, 2011 12:52 PM GMT
    Well socal? gonna own your source or just run away and hide from YOUR source contribution now that the light has been illuminated (kinda like cockroaches do)
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    Apr 15, 2011 1:49 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidAnxiety, Depression, and Goal-Seeking in Conservatives, Liberals, and Moderates

    Anxiety and depression would not seem to be specifically relevant to a particular individual's political affiliation. However, what should ostensibly be non-correlated variables have turned out to be highly correlated in our March 2005 survey. We found a statistically significant relationship (p < .0001) between anxiety, depression, and liberalism.

    http://neuropolitics.org/Anxiety-Depression-and-Goal-Seeking-in-Conservatives-Liberals-Moderates.htm






    SOCALFITNESS' Post" WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE A FACTUAL STATEMENT"
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    Apr 15, 2011 2:35 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidAnxiety, Depression, and Goal-Seeking in Conservatives, Liberals, and Moderates

    Anxiety and depression would not seem to be specifically relevant to a particular individual's political affiliation. However, what should ostensibly be non-correlated variables have turned out to be highly correlated in our March 2005 survey. We found a statistically significant relationship (p < .0001) between anxiety, depression, and liberalism.

    http://neuropolitics.org/Anxiety-Depression-and-Goal-Seeking-in-Conservatives-Liberals-Moderates.htm






    SOCALFITNESS' Post" WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE A FACTUAL STATEMENT"


    Tackiness aside, your slogan is getting older than mount everest.
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    Apr 15, 2011 2:59 PM GMT
    If liberals are more depressed, perhaps it is because they care about others. As anyone can tell you, it's easier to be mean than to be kind; it's easier to be selfish than to be compassionate; it's easier to assume the worst in people instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt; it's easier to bomb than it is to engage in dialogue!

    In short, it's easier to put your greedy interests first than it is to care about your fellow man. Liberals tend to care about their fellow man, conservatives tend to care about their greed!
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    Apr 15, 2011 3:02 PM GMT
    Missed the answer by a mile. It's simple

    Liberals have brains.
    Conservatives do not: as aptly demonstrated by Southbeach and his ilk
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    Apr 15, 2011 3:07 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidWell socal? gonna own your source or just run away and hide from YOUR source contribution now that the light has been illuminated (kinda like cockroaches do)

    Because you said the authors are quacks with no justification? And do you have any relevant qualification to make that assertion anyway? Do you happen to have any kind of credentials relating to statistical analysis, quantitative analysis, design of experiments, or are you doing your typical baseless rant? Another poster, not you, brought up some reasonable questions, such as controls for other factors such as age. I provided a source, and if anyone has any interest in pursuing in greater detail, they are welcome to correspond with the authors and provide any results.
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    Apr 15, 2011 3:11 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidTackiness aside, your slogan is getting older than mount everest.
    Mock - I think most of all political views pretty much ignore that guy. Mostly a troll. Never anything substantive or constructive - just pictures and repeating slogans. Appears to be an obsessive personality that is crying for help as much as others in the other folder.