DADT for the Navy

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    Apr 14, 2011 9:07 AM GMT
    So the Navy has received its tier 3 training over the past couple weeks and after about a 2 hour brief it has come to one simple conclusion:


    Nothing has changed... The only change in policy is that they are not allowed to kick you out for finding out that an individual is a homosexual, we still dont have the equal rights of a heterosexual couple and can be reprimanded for showing any PDA in or around a US installation. It was a total let down with all the press it was getting it kind of gave us in the Armed Services a little hope of living a normal life and getting equal treatment but in my opinion that is still a long ways away.

    What are some of your thoughts on this subject?
    Since this is a site with many different countries is it different in your respective nation?
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    Apr 14, 2011 12:10 PM GMT
    New_brand saidSo the Navy has received its tier 3 training over the past couple weeks and after about a 2 hour brief it has come to one simple conclusion:


    Nothing has changed... The only change in policy is that they are not allowed to kick you out for finding out that an individual is a homosexual, we still dont have the equal rights of a heterosexual couple and can be reprimanded for showing any PDA in or around a US installation. It was a total let down with all the press it was getting it kind of gave us in the Armed Services a little hope of living a normal life and getting equal treatment but in my opinion that is still a long ways away.

    What are some of your thoughts on this subject?
    Since this is a site with many different countries is it different in your respective nation?


    Presumably the prohibition on PDAs is not new policy, but simply an extension of the policy for straight couples.

    I am not familiar with the US armed forces briefing package, but my experience with the roll-out in the UK was that the armed forces codes of conduct were applied to everyone, regardless of sexual orientation.

    Armed forces partnership rights will almost certainly follow, but only after same-sex partnerships have a legal basis in federal law.
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    Apr 14, 2011 1:22 PM GMT
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    New_brand saidSo the Navy has received its tier 3 training over the past couple weeks and after about a 2 hour brief it has come to one simple conclusion:


    Nothing has changed... The only change in policy is that they are not allowed to kick you out for finding out that an individual is a homosexual, we still dont have the equal rights of a heterosexual couple and can be reprimanded for showing any PDA in or around a US installation. It was a total let down with all the press it was getting it kind of gave us in the Armed Services a little hope of living a normal life and getting equal treatment but in my opinion that is still a long ways away.

    What are some of your thoughts on this subject?
    Since this is a site with many different countries is it different in your respective nation?


    Presumably the prohibition on PDAs is not new policy, but simply an extension of the policy for straight couples.

    I am not familiar with the US armed forces briefing package, but my experience with the roll-out in the UK was that the armed forces codes of conduct were applied to everyone, regardless of sexual orientation.

    Armed forces partnership rights will almost certainly follow, but only after same-sex partnerships have a legal basis in federal law.
    It is.. but I ask the OP was that STRESSED? ( to include PDA's for heterosexuals will be reprimanded?)
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    Apr 14, 2011 2:43 PM GMT
    New_brand said, we still dont have the equal rights of a heterosexual couple


    Unfortunately, that won't change until we can get rid of the "Defense of Marriage" Act icon_mad.gificon_mad.gificon_mad.gif.
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    Apr 14, 2011 3:32 PM GMT
    New_brand said...we still dont have the equal rights of a heterosexual couple and can be reprimanded for showing any PDA in or around a US installation.
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    Unless something has changed, when I was in the Navy, it was perfectly ok for straight couples to show PDA around a US installation.
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    Apr 14, 2011 5:20 PM GMT
    do people really need to ask navy boys?
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    Apr 14, 2011 6:46 PM GMT
    Voice22 saiddo people really need to ask navy boys?

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    Apr 14, 2011 7:39 PM GMT
    In the Air Force PDA is frowned upon but very few people enforce that standard. And you are correct about their being no benefit except not being kicked out. No housing, dependent incentive, no healthcare. It's a step in the right direction but it's not what it's cracked up to be.
  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Apr 14, 2011 7:50 PM GMT
    This is a giant cultural change and the culture will change - but at the speed of a river barge not a Navy frigate.

    I would give it time and as a community I would suggest that we need to keep the pressure on so change will indeed happen.
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    Apr 14, 2011 8:09 PM GMT
    Dude honeslty be fortunate for that at least it's progressing. I'm going into the airforce and im happy it's now like that. Plus if ur in the navy I would guess ur not a flamming queer so y do u care if u can't have PDA, do in privcy. People take shit for granted.
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    Apr 14, 2011 8:11 PM GMT
    I fear DADT will never die, in 20 years maybe but I don't see it happening anytime soon. I personally don't care if it does, my focus was my job first. I don't see how or why it should be a concern when you join to do a job "KNOWING" full well that you are surrendering cretin freedoms every other American enjoys. I don't know about anyone else but for me when I took my oath, I'm pretty sure I swore to "protect and defend" not "piss an moan" about inequality. Nothing will ever be fair to everyone when in the military. I don't know where and when the pride of joining to defend a country and doing the just thing became all about "ME"

    Do I think DADT should even be a policy, No. Do I think its unfair, yes. But once again its not about "Me."


    P.S. Don't attack me for my opinion, you can just tell me I'm not gunna get mad icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 14, 2011 8:32 PM GMT
    Macavincian saidI fear DADT will never die, in 20 years maybe but I don't see it happening anytime soon.


    It is definitely happening. It may take time for the policies to get fully implemented, but from what I hear now that the decision has been made the brass are taking this seriously.
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    Apr 14, 2011 8:58 PM GMT
    Remember folks, there's the 60+ day grace period after the president signed the bill... this period was to be for the tiered training/information dissemination. As a civilian working now for the Air Force, (AND a Navy vet), we just had our briefing 2 weeks ago on the base where I work... when the Joint Chiefs of Staff feel their respective services have fulfilled the required tiers of training and education, then the repeal will be complete. So New Brand, just wait, the training/information dissemination period is still going on...and as for the PDA's... as it was told to us, there will be NO PDAs while in uniform, obviously, that does not change from the hetero version as well. The only real change will be in the Sodomy and rank fraternization statutes of the UCMJ....
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    Apr 14, 2011 11:13 PM GMT
    Our navy is the same!!!! Complete waste of time effort and moneyicon_neutral.gif
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    Apr 14, 2011 11:31 PM GMT
    You knew the rules when you joined the armed forces, you are not forced in the US or Oz to join the armed forces. So if a homosexual/bisexual feels repressed in the armed services, it's their own doing, as they knew and ignored the rules and it's the price they pay for doing so.

    Do I agree with no gay in the military, it's not the point; rules are rules, a contract is a contract.
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    Apr 15, 2011 12:01 AM GMT
    True_Blue_Aussie saidYou knew the rules when you joined the armed forces, you are not forced in the US or Oz to join the armed forces. So if a homosexual/bisexual feels repressed in the armed services, it's their own doing, as they knew and ignored the rules and it's the price they pay for doing so.

    Do I agree with no gay in the military, it's not the point; rules are rules, a contract is a contract.
    The contract just changed. STFU.
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    Apr 15, 2011 12:05 AM GMT
    True_Blue_Aussie saidYou knew the rules when you joined the armed forces, you are not forced in the US or Oz to join the armed forces. So if a homosexual/bisexual feels repressed in the armed services, it's their own doing, as they knew and ignored the rules and it's the price they pay for doing so.

    Do I agree with no gay in the military, it's not the point; rules are rules, a contract is a contract.
    You're not only a pure homosexual; you're also a pure asshole.
    At least you're consistent. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 15, 2011 12:12 AM GMT
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    True_Blue_Aussie saidYou knew the rules when you joined the armed forces, you are not forced in the US or Oz to join the armed forces. So if a homosexual/bisexual feels repressed in the armed services, it's their own doing, as they knew and ignored the rules and it's the price they pay for doing so.

    Do I agree with no gay in the military, it's not the point; rules are rules, a contract is a contract.
    You're not only a pure homosexual; you're also a pure asshole.
    At least you're consistent. icon_biggrin.gif
    He isnt pure anything. He's contaminated.
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    Apr 15, 2011 10:11 AM GMT
    Wow, didnt actually think that this thread would actually go anywhere, thanks for all the replies guys! And yes as a Navy sailor i am far from a flamer the highest my burner goes is maybe a 5 out of 10 completely smashed.

    As for the PDA "rule" yes it goes for the straight people too, and isnt strictly enforced however, for some reason during the presentation there was a whole slide about it. My real question, can i take my BF to the Navy Day Ball and mack on him like the other Khaki's do at midnight?icon_twisted.gif Think it would just be fun to see the reactions of some of my co-workers as no-one really knows.

    This is a step in the right direction and hopefully in a few years we will either get rid of DOMA all together or find a way around it. Looking forward to the future!
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    Apr 15, 2011 10:31 AM GMT
    honestly.. I get back to the states I fully plan on planting one on my boy if he is able to be there.. stupid military stationing me on the wrong coast.
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    Apr 15, 2011 11:55 AM GMT
    New_brand saidWow, didnt actually think that this thread would actually go anywhere, thanks for all the replies guys! And yes as a Navy sailor i am far from a flamer the highest my burner goes is maybe a 5 out of 10 completely smashed.

    As for the PDA "rule" yes it goes for the straight people too, and isnt strictly enforced however, for some reason during the presentation there was a whole slide about it. My real question, can i take my BF to the Navy Day Ball and mack on him like the other Khaki's do at midnight?icon_twisted.gif Think it would just be fun to see the reactions of some of my co-workers as no-one really knows.

    This is a step in the right direction and hopefully in a few years we will either get rid of DOMA all together or find a way around it. Looking forward to the future!


    The UK armed forces allow same sex partners to attend balls and other service functions and I know of many partners who have attended them, without incident. The good thing about codes of conduct is that they apply to everyone equally.

    I think the PDA slide might have been included, not for the benefit of gay servicemembers, but to allay the baseless fears of the more socially conservative elements in the services.
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    Apr 15, 2011 2:01 PM GMT
    Here's a site for women married to men in the military - dos and don'ts.

    http://www.milspouse.com/uniform-dos-and-donts.aspx

    "Don’t:

    Show public displays of affection, except at homecomings and goodbyes. This includes kissing and holding hands."