100 days of GOP: speechless

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    Apr 15, 2011 4:48 AM GMT
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    Apr 15, 2011 5:03 AM GMT
    100 days of broken promises, killing jobs, and appeasing the religious right.
    The American people didn't vote for that.
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    Apr 15, 2011 10:47 AM GMT
    Can't say enough words in praise of this veto icon_cool.gif
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    Apr 15, 2011 1:06 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    rickrick91 said100 days of broken promises, killing jobs, and appeasing the religious right.
    The American people didn't vote for that.


    Don't forget all the LIES! LIES! LIES!


    Dude - Where are the JOBS?!?
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    Apr 15, 2011 1:15 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    rickrick91 said100 days of broken promises, killing jobs, and appeasing the religious right.
    The American people didn't vote for that.


    Don't forget all the LIES! LIES! LIES!


    Dude - Where are the JOBS?!?
    Cut, cut, cut!
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    Apr 15, 2011 1:50 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
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    rickrick91 said100 days of broken promises, killing jobs, and appeasing the religious right.
    The American people didn't vote for that.


    Don't forget all the LIES! LIES! LIES!


    Dude - Where are the JOBS?!?

    Did you think the Republicans were going to support more money for govt jobs? No. The intent is improving the business climate so the private sector can create jobs. The Democrats block that every way they can.
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    Apr 15, 2011 1:56 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
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    southbeach1500 said
    rickrick91 said100 days of broken promises, killing jobs, and appeasing the religious right.
    The American people didn't vote for that.


    Don't forget all the LIES! LIES! LIES!


    Dude - Where are the JOBS?!?

    Did you think the Republicans were going to support more money for govt jobs? No. The intent is improving the business climate so the private sector can create jobs. The Democrats block that every way they can.


    icon_lol.gif The business climate is just fine in America, as it has always been. The issue is that there's no demand because of stagnant wages, loss of wealth by middle and working class folks, and rampant unemployment due to the BushCo blowing up the economy.
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    Apr 15, 2011 1:56 PM GMT
    well the Republicans have a majority of 1/2 of 1/3 of the ruling part of our government.
    or
    1/4 if you cut out the Supreme Court.

    So when Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid were in complete charge from 2006-2010 did anyone blame them for the economic crisis?

    They still blame Bush. As in above post. No one ever discusses the clear fact that there was a Democratic majority for 2 years before any economic crisis.

    And simultaneously want to say 100 days .... where are the jobs.?

    So whats the new metric?

    This is just like rooting for a sports team. I get it. There is never a discussion of any clear facts or policies or trends.
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    Apr 15, 2011 2:10 PM GMT
    Christian73 said... icon_lol.gif The business climate is just fine in America, as it has always been. The issue is that there's no demand because of stagnant wages, loss of wealth by middle and working class folks, and rampant unemployment due to the BushCo blowing up the economy.

    Businesses are hesitant to hire because of the uncertainties in the economy, the taxes, and health costs. These uncertainties directly result from the Administration policies. Liberals acknowledged this hesitation to hire to vilify businesses for exploiting workers. So you acknowledge it exists to fit your anti-business positions, but at the same time deny it exists to blame others for limited job growth?
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    Apr 15, 2011 2:34 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said... icon_lol.gif The business climate is just fine in America, as it has always been. The issue is that there's no demand because of stagnant wages, loss of wealth by middle and working class folks, and rampant unemployment due to the BushCo blowing up the economy.

    Businesses are hesitant to hire because of the uncertainties in the economy, the taxes, and health costs. These uncertainties directly result from the Administration policies. Liberals acknowledged this hesitation to hire to vilify businesses for exploiting workers. So you acknowledge it exists to fit your anti-business positions, but at the same time deny it exists to blame others for limited job growth?


    Pardon my French, but that's complete and total bullshit.

    Health Care Reform passed. There's no uncertainty there. The only uncertainties in the economy are those that always exist and have nothing to do with the current administration. And healthcare costs are also dealt with in HCR. I don't know what you're talking about in terms of "hesitancy to hire to vilify businesses".

    Certainly, some businesses are using the economic climate and the fear it breeds in workers to keep wages down and have people work more for the same pay/benefits, but if there was sufficient demand in the economy they would not be able to do that.
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    Apr 15, 2011 3:34 PM GMT
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERELiberals acknowledged this hesitation to hire to vilify businesses for exploiting workers.


    Vilify business? When we look at the mess uncontrolled banking and real estate got us into, the taxes bit corporations don't pay, the grotesque salaries of many CEO's, etc., etc., etc., you think wanting to regulate business is vilifying it?

    Perhaps we should think about right-wing vilification of workers...

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    Apr 15, 2011 3:37 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    rickrick91 said100 days of broken promises, killing jobs, and appeasing the religious right.
    The American people didn't vote for that.


    Don't forget all the LIES! LIES! LIES!


    Dude - Where are the JOBS?!?


    Government doesn't create private sector jobs (at least those private sector jobs that aren't dependent on funding from the government).

    However, government can create and implement policies and regulations that inhibit private sector jobs - which is what we've seen from Mr. O and his administration.


    Blah blah blah...

    Same song, still tone deaf.

    Please name the policies implemented since January 2009 that inhibit private sector jobs and the data that supports the link between said policies and lack of private sector job creation. Otherwise, it's just a sad right-wing talking points like tax cuts create jobs, which 40 years of history disprove.
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    Apr 15, 2011 4:34 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 said
    rickrick91 said100 days of broken promises, killing jobs, and appeasing the religious right.
    The American people didn't vote for that.


    Don't forget all the LIES! LIES! LIES!


    Dude - Where are the JOBS?!?

    Did you think the Republicans were going to support more money for govt jobs? No. The intent is improving the business climate so the private sector can create jobs. The Democrats block that every way they can.

    The business climate is crap because business ade it that way...and the Repubs let them. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

    Unregulated capitalism is organized crime.
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    southbeach1500 said
    rickrick91 said100 days of broken promises, killing jobs, and appeasing the religious right.
    The American people didn't vote for that.


    Don't forget all the LIES! LIES! LIES!


    Dude - Where are the JOBS?!?

    Did you think the Republicans were going to support more money for govt jobs? No. The intent is improving the business climate so the private sector can create jobs. The Democrats block that every way they can.

    The business climate is crap because business made it that way...and the Repubs let them. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

    Unregulated capitalism is organized crime.
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    Apr 15, 2011 4:37 PM GMT
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    Please name the policies implemented since January 2009 that inhibit private sector jobs and the data that supports the link between said policies and lack of private sector job creation. Otherwise, it's just a sad right-wing talking points like tax cuts create jobs, which 40 years of history disprove.


    Oil industry (shutting down the oil drilling industry in the Gulf)

    Coal industry (see below)

    Electric utitlities (see below)

    Student loans (eliminated the market in the private sector)

    There's 4 just to start off with.

    Obama: "So, if somebody wants to build a coal plant, they can — it’s just that it will bankrupt them, because they are going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted."


    The Oil industry is one of the most profitable industries on the planet. Even taking into account eh $20 billion that Obama got BP to set aside for the Gulf spill the toll in tax payer dollars, and environmental impact will nearly certainly cost more. You do understand that our oil reserves belong to the American people NOT a private company and we lease the rights for companies to drill for it? If they cannot do so in a way that doesn't threaten the environment (and, therefore the long-term health and well-being of our citizens) then they should not be allowed to drill. It's that simple.

    All that said, BP crowed about its profits and (hilariously) its safety record last year, so the regulations are not negatively impacting them.

    Coal industry is also quite profitable and I support regulations that begin to move us away from a toxic energy source to clean and renewable ones.

    Same with electricity. Again, highly profitable industry. Regulations not negatively impacting it.

    Student loans is just hilarious. There is no legislation preventing banks or other lenders from making student loans. They are simply no longer going to do it with tax payer dollars. Instead the government will make the loans directly saving billions of dollars/ Now, you could argue that government shouldn't make student loans but to crow about waste on other threads and then argue that private companies should be positioned as middle men in a sector solely to skim profits off tax payer dollars is intellectually inconsistent and simply laughable.
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    Apr 15, 2011 7:43 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidYou truly are a hypocrite. You can't have it both ways.

    Everything you depend on in your life - including the hours spent here on RJ - is because of coal and oil and electric utilities.

    You want Obama to win? Then kiss your modern life goodbye.

    Of course you don't understand this, how could you?

    So when it all collapses - and you can't pay your Con-Ed bill, and the cost of the food you get at Whole Foods goes sky high, just say "It's all because of Bush."


    Total strawman, Beckian hysteria.

    There's no "having it both ways". I believe that we need to move to from energy sources that are poisoning our environment to ones that are cleaner and sustainable.
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    Apr 15, 2011 8:43 PM GMT
    Sen. Lindsey Graham"If you're a Republican and you want to create jobs, then you need to invest in infrastructure that will allow us to create jobs."


    What has been done so far in Congress? Killing infrastructure initiatives in the name of "improving the business climate" and deficit reduction.

    Don't forget the numerous socially conservative bills, since the GOP has now equated social conservatism with fiscal conservatism with nothing to back it up except the continued abuse of the phrase "the American people."
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    Apr 15, 2011 9:59 PM GMT
    SoCal, I really hate to bust your bubble but until corps/businesses have increased orders for goods and services there will not be hiring, and your BULLSHIT about them not hireing because of taxes is the lamest talking point yet
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    Apr 16, 2011 1:47 AM GMT
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    Christian73 said

    Total strawman, Beckian hysteria.



    Yeah... gasoline prices aren't up 40% in the past year or so. Producer prices aren't rising at an annual rate of 13%. We're not adding $4 Billion to the debt each day. Doesn't matter... nothing bad is gonna happen, so long as we tax the rich and keep blaming Bush. That's a great way to go through life.



    Christian73 said

    There's no "having it both ways". I believe that we need to move to from energy sources that are poisoning our environment to ones that are cleaner and sustainable.


    Are you buying your electricity from sustainable sources? Con-Ed lets you pick your supplier.


    If we let the Bush tax cuts expire and - I don't know - actually made the tax system MORE progressive, including increasing capital gains back to 25%; went after people who tax paying their taxes and such, we wouldn't need to add $4 billion to our debt every day.

    I'm not a big environmentalist but now that I know I can choose to get Con Ed energy from sustainable sources, I'll look into it. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 16, 2011 1:51 AM GMT
    realifedad said SoCal, I really hate to bust your bubble but until corps/businesses have increased orders for goods and services there will not be hiring, and your BULLSHIT about them not hireing because of taxes is the lamest talking point yet

    You're not bursting anyone's bubble. The left also accuses businesses of exploiting workers by not hiring when there are increased orders. The left tries to have it both ways.
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    Apr 16, 2011 4:18 AM GMT
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    Certainly, some businesses are using the economic climate and the fear it breeds in workers to keep wages down and have people work more for the same pay/benefits, but if there was sufficient demand in the economy they would not be able to do that. [/quote]

    Businesses are doing that, and having record profits. People are in fear of losing their jobs, and are willing to work longer hours (including weekends) to make sure that they keep their jobs. It is truly the best time to own a business.